rehmwa 2 #26 November 6, 2007 Quoterather than talking to the offending cell phone user and telling them to be quieter (you may get cussed out i know), its easier for people to secretly hide and screw over everyone whos trying to use a cell phone. didn't you know? Anonymous self serving/self righteous intrusion is the new social consciousness plan of action of the new millenium. get with the times ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #27 November 6, 2007 Quotethey are a terrible idea, because they punish everyone using cell phones in your area, instead of punishing just the offensive cell phone user. rather than talking to the offending cell phone user and telling them to be quieter (you may get cussed out i know), its easier for people to secretly hide and screw over everyone whos trying to use a cell phone. If i had one, I would only use it in places where cell phone use isn't appropriate. Such as in a theater. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #28 November 6, 2007 The jammers are a bad idea since they punish everyone and not just the offender. This is another situation where common sense justice should be applied. The police should have a "jackass cell phone talker" division. These said police should be equipped with cow prods. When a loudmouth is spotted on a cell phone in a public place the offender is administered a shock from the cow prod. Non-lethal of course, but it will get their attention. I am sure this would diminish the problem. Offenders in movie theatres get a double shock.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 895 #29 November 6, 2007 cops are already too busy tasering people for non-essential reasons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #30 November 6, 2007 Good point. But if cops had cow prods it might cut down on over-excessive taser use. My common sense justice plan has all kind of benefits. The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #31 November 6, 2007 Quote cops are already too busy tasering people for non-essential reasons. gotta taser someone ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #32 November 6, 2007 Quote Quote . If i had one, I would only use it in places where cell phone use isn't appropriate. Such as in a theater. Any kind of theater - movie, broadway, etc. That would be awesome. Oh yeah, and for the asshole on the highway that cuts you off while yakking on the cell phone, I'd love to have one of those devices to zap his fucking phone. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #33 November 6, 2007 Quote Good point. But if cops had cow prods it might cut down on over-excessive taser use. My common sense justice plan has all kind of benefits. Entertainment value, too! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #34 November 6, 2007 Quote Quote Good point. But if cops had cow prods it might cut down on over-excessive taser use. My common sense justice plan has all kind of benefits. Entertainment value, too! Good call. If there was a TV program that showed obnoxious cell phone users getting the cow prod and baggy pant wearing idiots getting tear inducing wedgies I would not be ashamed to say I would tune in. Let the damn writers stay on strike. Give me a video camera, a really good lawyer, and let the taping begin.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #35 November 6, 2007 Quotedidn't you know? Anonymous self serving/self righteous intrusion is the new social consciousness plan of action of the new millenium. Sorry but in my experience, if you try to tell one of these obnoxious cellphone users to quiet down you get one of two reactions; 1: They tell you to fuck off 2: they say sorry and then quiet down for a minute or two until the volume goes right back up. You tell them to be quiet again and the volume goes down for even a shorter period of time than the first before it jacks right up again. This proces repeats itself until the nth time you ask the person to be quite he finally blows up at you and tells you to fuck off and move if it bothers you so much. You can say just move somewhere else, but there seems be a cellphone-jackass everywhere I go so personally I think I would prefer to use this. Since I would only use it in places where someone should not be talking on their cell-phone in the first place it should ultimately have no effect on the courteous cell-phone users because they will likely have shown the good sense to at least move to a more appropriate location for cell-chat. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #36 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe jammers are a bad idea since they punish everyone and not just the offender. The other cell-phone users will know that someone in the room has a jammer (as these devices become more well known). They won't know who is doing it but they will probably be able to figure out why it is being done. Since they cannot punishg the one doing the jamming, they can punish the loudmouth. This will cause cell-phone users to police themselves. Fair? I don't care. It's not fair that when I was studying I spent more time getting into fights with cell-phone users and constantly relocating than I actually did studying. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,116 #37 November 6, 2007 >Since they cannot punishg the one doing the jamming . . . Why not? One person is doing something illegal; one's not. I could see in an airport or train station someone telling a cop "a guy reached into his pocket and is hiding some sort of large electronic device." Per a recent thread, the cops would then be justified in arresting (and if there was any question, shooting) the perpetrator. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Richards 0 #38 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuote>Since they cannot punishg the one doing the jamming . . . Why not? One person is doing something illegal; one's not. I could see in an airport or train station someone telling a cop "a guy reached into his pocket and is hiding some sort of large electronic device." Per a recent thread, the cops would then be justified in arresting (and if there was any question, shooting) the perpetrator. My point presumes (perhaps erroneously) that the person doing the jamming is exercising a bit of discretion. It looks from the ad that it is pretty small and it apparently can still work even if it is inside your bag or jacket pocket. Unless there are only one or two people who are not talking on cell-phones it may be pretty hard to identify the person doing the jamming. I want one. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #39 November 6, 2007 QuoteIf i had one, I would only use it in places where cell phone use isn't appropriate. Such as in a theater. Phones do have vibrate mode, and SMS capability that would allow someone to go to a movie but still be reachable if on call (for work, for a friend to show up in town, for the wife, etc). All without disturbing others. The reality is that the pompous assholes who use these devices (not to be mistaken with the pompous assholes who talk on their phone during a movie) aren't going to wait until an offense happens - they're going to turn on the device before they enter the theater. What we need is a device that can signal all phones to switch to silent mode. This would be a nice standard to ask the handset manufacturers to develop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Richards 0 #40 November 6, 2007 QuoteThe reality is that the pompous assholes who use these devices aren't going to wait until an offense happens - they're going to turn on the device before they enter the theater. What would be wrong with that? How did people cope with going to theatres befor the advent of the cell-phone? It would not kill somone to go for an hour and a half without phone access. Maybe if these devices started driving cell-phone users crazy they might actually give some thought to why people are doing this in the first place ! Sometimes it takes a bit of backlash before people consider the effect that their behaviour is having on others. Again, even if some courteous cell-phone users are hurt by this in the short run, think of how many people have been driven nuts by rude cell-phone talkers until now. If this product forces cell-phone users to start giving some thought to how their actions affect others, people eventually will not feel the need to use these. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #41 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe reality is that the pompous assholes who use these devices aren't going to wait until an offense happens - they're going to turn on the device before they enter the theater. What would be wrong with that? How did people cope with going to theatres befor the advent of the cell-phone? It would not kill somone to go for an hour and a half without phone access. So the solution to bad manners is more bad manners that incriminately targets everyone? What lesson will actually be learned here? And you of course failed to address the bulk of my posting. I gave you several reasons why the phone access is necessary, and I've been stuck more than a few times far from home waiting for a call with nothing to do for hours but go see a game or a movie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Richards 0 #42 November 6, 2007 QuoteSo the solution to bad manners is more bad manners that incriminately targets everyone? What lesson will actually be learned here? Short term solution until a better one comes along. QuoteAnd you of course failed to address the bulk of my posting. I gave you several reasons why the phone access is necessary, and I've been stuck more than a few times far from home waiting for a call with nothing to do for hours but go see a game or a movie. Is it critical that you get that call the instant it comes? Can you not check your messages after the movie? If a call was that absolutely urgent I would not be going to a theatre. What did people do before cell-phones? There is no easy solution that will make all people happy. One should ask themselves why many people are anxious to buy one of these though. I do not like hearing phone chatter in a theatre or a library. You might show a certain degree of courtesy, but far too many don't. It is not just a small minority that don't show courtesy, it is becoming the norm. You ask what will be learned by doing this. The problem users can't seem to be bothered to learn anything right now because their behaviour is not affecting them. Once it starts affecting them they might think. If you can suggest an alternative that will work I will consider it. The problem is that merely offering silent ringing depends on the willingness of the cell-phone user to actaully switch it to that. Most wont bother. Instead you hear some ridiculous sing-song chime followed by a booming "waazzzuuuuppp" Nothing seems to be getting through to most cell-phone users. Again, maybe the frustration of occasionally being blocked might force people to think a bit about other people when using a cell-phone. Again I supect that the use of these jammers will die off when the abusers finally get the point (mostly due to having their calls interupted/blocked). However, taking your point into consideration, if I get one I will wait until I hear ringing (in an innapropriate location) before I use it. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #37 November 6, 2007 >Since they cannot punishg the one doing the jamming . . . Why not? One person is doing something illegal; one's not. I could see in an airport or train station someone telling a cop "a guy reached into his pocket and is hiding some sort of large electronic device." Per a recent thread, the cops would then be justified in arresting (and if there was any question, shooting) the perpetrator. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #38 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuote>Since they cannot punishg the one doing the jamming . . . Why not? One person is doing something illegal; one's not. I could see in an airport or train station someone telling a cop "a guy reached into his pocket and is hiding some sort of large electronic device." Per a recent thread, the cops would then be justified in arresting (and if there was any question, shooting) the perpetrator. My point presumes (perhaps erroneously) that the person doing the jamming is exercising a bit of discretion. It looks from the ad that it is pretty small and it apparently can still work even if it is inside your bag or jacket pocket. Unless there are only one or two people who are not talking on cell-phones it may be pretty hard to identify the person doing the jamming. I want one. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #39 November 6, 2007 QuoteIf i had one, I would only use it in places where cell phone use isn't appropriate. Such as in a theater. Phones do have vibrate mode, and SMS capability that would allow someone to go to a movie but still be reachable if on call (for work, for a friend to show up in town, for the wife, etc). All without disturbing others. The reality is that the pompous assholes who use these devices (not to be mistaken with the pompous assholes who talk on their phone during a movie) aren't going to wait until an offense happens - they're going to turn on the device before they enter the theater. What we need is a device that can signal all phones to switch to silent mode. This would be a nice standard to ask the handset manufacturers to develop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #40 November 6, 2007 QuoteThe reality is that the pompous assholes who use these devices aren't going to wait until an offense happens - they're going to turn on the device before they enter the theater. What would be wrong with that? How did people cope with going to theatres befor the advent of the cell-phone? It would not kill somone to go for an hour and a half without phone access. Maybe if these devices started driving cell-phone users crazy they might actually give some thought to why people are doing this in the first place ! Sometimes it takes a bit of backlash before people consider the effect that their behaviour is having on others. Again, even if some courteous cell-phone users are hurt by this in the short run, think of how many people have been driven nuts by rude cell-phone talkers until now. If this product forces cell-phone users to start giving some thought to how their actions affect others, people eventually will not feel the need to use these. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #41 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteThe reality is that the pompous assholes who use these devices aren't going to wait until an offense happens - they're going to turn on the device before they enter the theater. What would be wrong with that? How did people cope with going to theatres befor the advent of the cell-phone? It would not kill somone to go for an hour and a half without phone access. So the solution to bad manners is more bad manners that incriminately targets everyone? What lesson will actually be learned here? And you of course failed to address the bulk of my posting. I gave you several reasons why the phone access is necessary, and I've been stuck more than a few times far from home waiting for a call with nothing to do for hours but go see a game or a movie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #42 November 6, 2007 QuoteSo the solution to bad manners is more bad manners that incriminately targets everyone? What lesson will actually be learned here? Short term solution until a better one comes along. QuoteAnd you of course failed to address the bulk of my posting. I gave you several reasons why the phone access is necessary, and I've been stuck more than a few times far from home waiting for a call with nothing to do for hours but go see a game or a movie. Is it critical that you get that call the instant it comes? Can you not check your messages after the movie? If a call was that absolutely urgent I would not be going to a theatre. What did people do before cell-phones? There is no easy solution that will make all people happy. One should ask themselves why many people are anxious to buy one of these though. I do not like hearing phone chatter in a theatre or a library. You might show a certain degree of courtesy, but far too many don't. It is not just a small minority that don't show courtesy, it is becoming the norm. You ask what will be learned by doing this. The problem users can't seem to be bothered to learn anything right now because their behaviour is not affecting them. Once it starts affecting them they might think. If you can suggest an alternative that will work I will consider it. The problem is that merely offering silent ringing depends on the willingness of the cell-phone user to actaully switch it to that. Most wont bother. Instead you hear some ridiculous sing-song chime followed by a booming "waazzzuuuuppp" Nothing seems to be getting through to most cell-phone users. Again, maybe the frustration of occasionally being blocked might force people to think a bit about other people when using a cell-phone. Again I supect that the use of these jammers will die off when the abusers finally get the point (mostly due to having their calls interupted/blocked). However, taking your point into consideration, if I get one I will wait until I hear ringing (in an innapropriate location) before I use it. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #43 November 6, 2007 Quote Is it critical that you get that call the instant it comes? Can you not check your messages after the movie? If a call was that absolutely urgent I would not be going to a theatre. What did people do before cell-phones? They wasted time sitting at their office or at home next to the phone. Me, I prefer modern times where we're not so stupid. I presume you've never been on call. It doesn't mean you're working the whole time, or unable to do anything. Most times nothing happens. But if it does, you take care of the problem. (unfortunately, skydiving seems incompatible due to the distance and time latency of getting to the phone) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #44 November 6, 2007 QuoteThey wasted time sitting at their office or at home next to the phone. Me, I prefer modern times where we're not so stupid. The conduct of most cell-phone users indicate that far too many are stupid. QuoteI presume you've never been on call. It doesn't mean you're working the whole time, or unable to do anything. Most times nothing happens. But if it does, you take care of the problem. I don't have an answer for you there. Again if you can suggest a solution that will work I am all ears. I am just getting fed up with people who show no consideration. I am also tired of getting into blow-ups with people who act like jerks with their phone. This just seems like a simpler way of getting some peace of mind while I sit in a theatre to enjoy seeing and hearing a movie I have paid to attend. I would rather use that than have to ask a waiter to move my wife and I to another table when some guy at the next table uses the restaurent as his personal call center. Constructive solutions? My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #45 November 6, 2007 QuoteConstructive solutions? rudeness is a problem for society to solve. It's not just about cell phones - also seen in red light running, tailgating, and elsewhere in life. Cutting off people's phones is a clear form of it as well. You ask for a constructive solution while espousing a very destructive one. I suggested one technological solution, but that would not be accomplished overnight. Maybe not plausible at all, though perhaps Bill can answer to that. I don't go to the movies too much anymore in trade for the home theater. However, it doesn't seem to be the problem it was 5 years ago. Back then, it was becoming a plague, but theaters started putting up the reminder to switch off the phones and it seems to have been effective. Most people failed to do it out of oversight rather than rude intent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #46 November 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteGreat in theory but we dont not own the radio spectrum and you would find it difficult to consytrain the little wavy things inside your own property..... but you can keep most of the out, if you live in a Faraday Cage. I find the whole concept of "ownership" of a portion of the electromagnetic spectrum rather difficult. Can I put in a bid for "green". I'd like a monopoly on that. Make people pay to get a green light at intersections. T-Mobile Owns The Color Magenta"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #47 November 6, 2007 Quoterudeness is a problem for society to solve. It's not just about cell phones - also seen in red light running, tailgating, and elsewhere in life. Cutting off people's phones is a clear form of it as well. You ask for a constructive solution while espousing a very destructive one. I suggested one technological solution, but that would not be accomplished overnight. Maybe not plausible at all, though perhaps Bill can answer to that. I do not enjoy being maliscious. I realize that from an outsiders view the desire to block cell-phones may seem childishly vindictive but it in my experience that sometimes is what it takes. If you have two groups of people and only one side seems to be paying the price for the others actions often the group causing problems have no incentive to change their behaviour because they perceive the other group as being whiners. Tring to speak to some people often results in being blown off. Sometimes both sides of the debate need to get angry before people are willing to discuss constructive solutions. If I am someone who is naturally inconsiderate and my behaviour is bothering you why will I care to change it if it is upsetting you and not me? That is the way many people think. Sometimes you have to speak to them on their level. I do not like knee jerk solutions to inconsiderate people but I have always found that they are often the only thing that works. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #48 November 6, 2007 Quote If I am someone who is naturally inconsiderate and my behaviour is bothering you why will I care to change it if it is upsetting you and not me? That is the way many people think. Sometimes you have to speak to them on their level. cell phones in public places, smokers, dopers, red light runners, CrW dawgs, swoopers, public urinators, etc right? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #49 November 6, 2007 Quotecell phones in public places, smokers, dopers, red light runners, CrW dawgs, swoopers, public urinators, etc Straw man arguments are not normally your style. I am somewhat surprised. Anyway, to answer your questions; cell phones in public places-Depends on how courteous they are smokers-No problem. If anything I think that the backlash against smokesr has been a bit excessive (and no I have never smoked) dopers-so long as you are not endangering me I do not care what you put into your body CrW dawgs- Why would I dislike them? swoopers-I have heard the various debates pro/con but I do not have the experience to offer an opinion one way or another public urinators-Again, many of us have felt the urge and not been able to find a bathroom. All I ask is that people exercise some courtesy by picking a reasonably discrete place (and not doing it on the war memorial). I once saw some dickhead swaggering along in hip-hop clothes oozing attitude in the middle of a crowded sidewalk stop and theatrically unzip and pull out his schlong and piss right there on the sidewalk (not even facing the wall). He seemed to be quite proud of himself and gave everyone a look as if to say "that's right this is my big dick pissing on your sidewalk. What are you going to do about it?". I personally would not have seen any harm in the cops taking this guy into a back alley to teach him some manners with the baton. My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #50 November 6, 2007 Quote If I am someone who is naturally inconsiderate and my behaviour is bothering you why will I care to change it if it is upsetting you and not me? That is the way many people think. Sometimes you have to speak to them on their level. That's why cell phone jammers are illegal in the US. Sometimes inconsiderate people can only be coerced with the force of law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
