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Why don't you please enlighten us with the knowledge that makes this such a dissatisfying bumper sticker to see. You know, with the moral highground that can only be achieved via Oral Roberts. :P

.jim



As opposed to the 'moral high ground' achieved by making snide remarks about a person's religion, perhaps? :|
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When is the last time Iran attacked a foreign country?



I'm a tad more interested in when it last recommended the destruction of one of our allies.




Yeah because talk is punishable by invasion...........that's a great theory to follow. If you're referring to Israel, which I personally don't have anything against, but you hear about them bombing and attacking a lot of people.......did you ever think that maybe it's not the other people but them that is to blame for it? I'm sure there is two sides to that story as well.
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Well..........let's do a timeline over the last hundred years.


"September 22, 1980 the Iraqi army invaded Iran at Khuzestan, precipitating the Iran-Iraq War."

So they defended themselves against Iraq.


"In summer of 1941 Britain and the USSR invaded Iran to prevent Iran from allying with the Axis powers."

Now they weren't joined with the Axis, they were talking with them..........."In 1921, an army officer Reza Khan of Mazandarani and Persian descent (known as Reza Shah after assuming the throne) staged a coup against the weakened Qajar dynasty. An autocrat and supporter of modernization, Reza Shah initiated the development of modern industry, railroads, and establishment of a national education system. Reza Shah sought to balance the influence of Russia and Britain by seeking out assistance and technology from European powers traditionally not involved in Iranian affairs, but when World War II started his closeness to Germany alarmed allied powers Russia and Britain, Germany's enemies."


That's going back a hundred years............how many countries have we conducted military operations in over the last hundred years and how many of them were for our defense?


I also think I found our main problem with Iran.........."Iran's relations with the United States became deeply antagonistic during the revolution. On November 4, 1979, Iranian students seized US embassy personnel, labeling the embassy a "den of spies."[62] They accused its personnel of being CIA agents plotting to overthrow the revolutionary government, as the CIA had done to Mohammad Mossadegh in 1953. While the student ringleaders had not asked for permission from Khomeini to seize the embassy, Khomeini nonetheless supported the embassy takeover after hearing of its success. [63] While most of the female and African American hostages were released within the first months,[64] the remaining fifty-two hostages were held for 444 days."

Did they sort of have some merit behind assuming that the embassy was a "den of spies"............well, sort of yes.

"In 1953, President Eisenhower authorized Operation Ajax, and the CIA took the lead in overthrowing Mossadegh and supporting a U.S.-friendly monarch; and for which the U.S. Government apologized in 2000. The CIA faced many setbacks, but the covert operation soon went into full swing, conducted from the U.S. Embassy in Tehran under the leadership of Kermit Roosevelt, Jr. Iranians were hired to protest Mossadegh and fight pro-Mossadegh demonstrators. Anti- and pro-monarchy protestors violently clashed in the streets, leaving almost three hundred dead. The operation was successful in triggering a coup, and within days, pro-Shah tanks stormed the capital and bombarded the Prime Minister's residence. Mossadegh surrendered, and was arrested on 19 August 1953. He was tried for treason, and sentenced to three years in prison."




Iran isn't some fluff state that's as peaceful as teletubby land..............they've had several revolutions and overthrows, but we've had those too...think civil war.

Here's a wikipedia link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran if you wanna read up a bit. Iran may not be cotton-candy coated, but you gotta take into account the history when you start talking about how much of a threat they are and invading their country.

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Ok..........here's a question for you since you think it's elitist to note that some people are concerned and actually take some time to read up on things.

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No, I think it is elitist to think you are the only one with concerns or who reads up on anything. Thanks for informing me of your superiority comrade.

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Ok..........here's a question for you since you think it's elitist to note that some people are concerned and actually take some time to read up on things.

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No, I think it is elitist to think you are the only one with concerns or who reads up on anything. Thanks for informing me of your superiority comrade.



"some people" = "the only one"..........I don't think that computes.
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Ok..........here's a question for you since you think it's elitist to note that some people are concerned and actually take some time to read up on things.

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No, I think it is elitist to think you are the only one with concerns or who reads up on anything. Thanks for informing me of your superiority comrade.



"some people" = "the only one"..........I don't think that computes.


I am shocked to see you evade the point:o:S
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Ok..........here's a question for you since you think it's elitist to note that some people are concerned and actually take some time to read up on things.

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No, I think it is elitist to think you are the only one with concerns or who reads up on anything. Thanks for informing me of your superiority comrade.



"some people" = "the only one"..........I don't think that computes.


I am shocked to see you evade the point:o:S


Proving that "some people" and "the only one" are not the same isn't evading the point, it's proving your argument to be bs.
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Everyone here seems to assume "the next war" will be against Iran...how interesting.



Who do you think the next war will be against? And why? (Since all of our crystal balls have such precise fidelity.:)

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Ok..........here's a question for you since you think it's elitist to note that some people are concerned and actually take some time to read up on things.

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No, I think it is elitist to think you are the only one with concerns or who reads up on anything. Thanks for informing me of your superiority comrade.



"some people" = "the only one"..........I don't think that computes.


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Proving that "some people" and "the only one" are not the same isn't evading the point, it's proving your argument to be bs.


I am shocked to see you evade the point:o:S again
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Everyone here seems to assume "the next war" will be against Iran...how interesting.



Who do you think the next war will be against? And why? (Since all of our crystal balls have such precise fidelity.:)

VR/Marg


I don't know. I meant to imply something similar to your crystal ball comment. Since the bumper sticker doesn't specify a war, I wonder if it's just meant to be a limp-wristed pacifism message.
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Ok..........here's a question for you since you think it's elitist to note that some people are concerned and actually take some time to read up on things.

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No, I think it is elitist to think you are the only one with concerns or who reads up on anything. Thanks for informing me of your superiority comrade.



"some people" = "the only one"..........I don't think that computes.


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Proving that "some people" and "the only one" are not the same isn't evading the point, it's proving your argument to be bs.


I am shocked to see you evade the point:o:S again



which is?
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No, I think it is elitist to think you are the only one with concerns or who reads up on anything. Thanks for informing me of your superiority comrade.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Ok..........here's a question for you since you think it's elitist to note that some people are concerned and actually take some time to read up on things.

When is the last time Iran attacked a foreign country?



Iran invaded Iraq on 13 July 1982.

Youre welcome.



Please for the love god go read something.

In the world it is known by all (well most) that Iraq started the war by invading Iran. Well the real world and the geneva convention.



Why dont you go read something.
Do you think I pulled that date out of my ass ?
Prior to the end of the Iran Iraq war Iran was the last to invade of either country.
Now for the love of god pull your head out of your ass and go read something besides DZ.com.



Bozo, Iraq started the war by invading Iran on 22 September 1980. Iran's attack on 13 July 1982 was a counter-offensive in the same war. People understand the difference. This isn't an English Composition 101 course, so please stop evading what we all know was the real point of the question by diddling with semantics.

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pull your head out of your ass and go read something besides DZ.com.



...is just plain blasphemy.

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Bozo, Iraq started the war by invading Iran on 22 September 1980. Iran's attack on 13 July 1982 was a counter-offensive in the same war. People understand the difference. This isn't an English Composition 101 course, so please stop evading what we all know was the real point of the question by diddling with semantics.

Oh, and by the way...




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OK, having said the above re: Iran-Iraq war....

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When is the last time Iran attacked a foreign country?



Hezbollah was formed in the early 1980's by the government of Iran, which staffed, funded, equipped, commanded and controlled Hezbollah through Iran's Ministry of Information. From then through the present, Iran has used Hezbollah as its direct means to attack other countries and/or undermine their governments in the region, as well as to attack non-Iranian nationals both in the region and throughout the world.

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Ok..........here's a question for you since you think it's elitist to note that some people are concerned and actually take some time to read up on things.


When is the last time Iran attacked a foreign country?



Iran invaded Iraq on 13 July 1982.

Youre welcome.



You don’t have to be an Iranian to know the facts it is easy as typing Iran Iraq war who started in a search to get some information. That is off course if you are not so sure of your “facts;)



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The Iran-Iraq War, also known as the Iraqi Imposed War (جنگ تحمیلی, Jang-e-tahmīlī), Holy Defense (دفاع مقدس, Defa-e-moghaddas) and Iranian Revolutionary War in Iran, and Saddām's Qādisiyyah (قادسيّة صدّام, Qādisiyyat Saddām) in Iraq, was a war between the armed forces of Iraq and Iran lasting from September 1980 to August 1988. It was commonly referred to as the Persian Gulf War until the Iraq-Kuwait conflict of (1990–91), and for a while thereafter as the First Persian Gulf War. The Iraq-Kuwait conflict, while originally known as the Second Persian Gulf War, later became known simply as the Persian Gulf War. Many have considered it the longest conventional war of the 20th century from the Dilip Hiro book, however this is strongly disputed among historians. It is also regarded in much of the West as one of the "forgotten wars" of the 20th Century.

The war began when Iraq invaded Iran on 22 September 1980 following a long history of border disputes and fears of Shia insurgency influenced by Khomeini's Islamic republic. Although the Iraqis attacked without formal warning, they failed to make progress and were soon repelled by the Iranians. Despite several calls for a ceasefire by the United Nations Security Council, hostilities continued until 20 August 1988; the last prisoners of war were exchanged in 2003. The war altered regional and even global politics.

The war is also noted for being very similar to World War I. Tactics used included trench warfare, manned machine-gun posts, bayonet charges, use of barb-wire, human wave attacks and Iraq's extensive use of chemical weapons (such as mustard gas) against Iranian troops and civilians as well as Iraqi Kurds. It is believed that more than a million Iraqi and Iranian soldiers as well as civilians died in the war with many more injured and wounded.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Iraq_War


Come on don't be lazy do some research.

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What a moronic bumper sticker! :|



I agree. Everyone here seems to assume "the next war" will be against Iran...how interesting.


Your right! I am sure Bush will just find a country at random, and make up lies that they are now a threat to us and convince America to fund another 6 billion dollars and continue to veto children's health insurance.

Let's take bets on what country we will attack next!
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[reply. This isn't an English Composition 101 course, so please stop evading what we all know was the real point of the question by diddling with semantics.



dammit.........busted again ! ;)


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What a moronic bumper sticker! :|



I agree. Everyone here seems to assume "the next war" will be against Iran...how interesting.


Your right! I am sure Bush will just find a country at random, and make up lies that they are now a threat to us and convince America to fund another 6 billion dollars and continue to veto children's health insurance.

Let's take bets on what country we will attack next!


OK. I'll bet Turkey invades Iraq.

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Why is America always so gun-ho towards invading countries and starting wars? Maybe that is the premise behind this bumper sticker? What did Grenada ever do to America? What did Iraq ever do to America? What did [insert the next country here] ever do to America?

It may not happen in my life time, but sooner or later I expect the American military to be in Canada to take over our natural resources (our oil) and our water.


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Why is America always so gun-ho towards invading countries and starting wars? Maybe that is the premise behind this bumper sticker? What did Grenada ever do to America? What did Iraq ever do to America? What did [insert the next country here] ever do to America?

It may not happen in my life time, but sooner or later I expect the American military to be in Canada to take over our natural resources (our oil) and our water.



What did the Boers ever do to Great Britain? What did the Falkland Islands ever do to Great Britain? etc etc etc... same arguments.
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I am shocked to see you evade the point:o:S again



Of course you never evade the point when you can't answer a question.

Not even with lots of stupid emoticons.

:D:D:D:Dof course you never do that!:D:D:D:D

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What did the Falkland Islands ever do to Great Britain?



Dude, seriously?:S

We weren't fighting against the Falkland Islands, we were fighting against Argentina. Argentina were the ones who invaded the Falkland Islands - our soil, our people!

FFS!
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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