Five Good Samaritans stopped a rape in progress

[JohnRich 4]

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Too bad they did not kill him.

Then they would have been responsible for murder and absolutely should go to jail. We don't need vigilantism - even when dealing with scum like this guy.

[rehmwa 2]

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Fuck the law, fuck the guy getting 5 years end him now period.

I know how you feel, but when you make comments like this, how can you discuss the concept of justice with any credibility

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[rehmwa 2]

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Too bad they did not kill him.

Then they would have been responsible for murder and absolutely should go to jail. We don't need vigilantism - even when dealing with scum like this guy.

Deadly force is legal in defense of rape.

[mnealtx 0]

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Too bad they did not kill him.

Then they would have been responsible for murder and absolutely should go to jail. We don't need vigilantism - even when dealing with scum like this guy.

Deadly force is legal in defense of rape.

[Darius11 12]

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Take a look at the picture of the suspect. The good samaritans did more than "hold" him, after he resisted their citizens arrest.

Too bad they did not kill him.

Then they would have been responsible for murder and absolutely should go to jail.

Stopping and holding him (only) is the right thing to do. We don't need vigilantism - even when dealing with scum like this guy. He will see punishment under LAW.

I'm hoping he got beat because he tried to escape and they had to stop him. Or they ran up and kicked him in the face to knock him immediately off the woman. That's justified and absolutely the right thing to do. It's the adult thing to do and better measure of the men.

If they just beat him for the hell of it in a self righteous tantrum, then they should be tried on assault as a completely separate crime. This is more appropriate to children and the weak willed.

Do you see the difference?

Anyone who disagrees with what rehmwa is saying here, needs to go do some reading of the law. What he is stating is the law.

When I was in college, I did some research on self-defense law for a project, then interviewed the shift commander of the local PD to get clarification on a few points.

For those of you who think you have a right to use violence to hold a suspect in a citizens arrest; Newflash: You don't. Anything beyond tackling the guy and holding him in a bearhug opens you up to assault charges.

I am not arguing law I am arguing right. I don’t walk around with a disclaimer or a lawyer or the voice-over that warns you about what the side effects I might have.

In reality the real world the dude is a scumbag his life loses all value to me when he decided to rape, and unfortunately are justice system does not always serve justice.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Anyone who disagrees with what rehmwa is saying here, needs to go do some reading of the law. What he is stating is the law.

IMO - "the law" or not, it's what I think is the right thing to do.

If we didn't have a justice system, then I'd have a completely different tune. But I think it's better for people and society as a whole to learn self control and promote dispassionate justice rather than knee jerk self gratification.

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[mnealtx 0]

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I am not arguing law I am arguing right. I don’t walk around with a disclaimer or a lawyer or the voice-over that warns you about what the side effects I might have.

In reality the real world the dude is a scumbag his life loses all value to me when he decided to rape, and unfortunately are justice system does not always serve justice.

So, you are advocating that he's "reaping what he has sown"?

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[Darius11 12]

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Fuck the law, fuck the guy getting 5 years end him now period.

I know how you feel, but when you make comments like this, how can you discuss the concept of justice with any credibility

For me Justice for a rapist and child molesters would be death. What happened in this story is rape, its not some college chick that changed her mind after the fact or got too drunk to remember who she fucked the night before.

In this case kill the fuck that is justice too me, and I know I will not be able to argue why or go over the billion instances that might occur. I am not trying to convince you that I am right in my world in my mind I know I am right.

I understand what you are saying but if they shot the guy execution style you would not here a word of complaint from me.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[DJL 235]

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Take a look at the picture of the suspect. The good samaritans did more than "hold" him, after he resisted their citizens arrest.

Fucker looks like he bumped hit face a few times on things like fists and police batons. Wupsy.

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[Darius11 12]

I am advocating rights for victims not the victimizers.


I will not feel one second of remorse for that scumbag if he was executed; same goes for child rapists.

Not only would I not feel sad for the scumbag I would buy the guys whom shot his head off a beer and say thank you.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[rehmwa 2]

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I understand what you are saying but if they shot the guy execution style you would not here a word of complaint from me.

1 - your concept of 'justice' is the same concept that causing a ton of problems in this country and other countries. Vigilantism is not about balance, it's about revenge and self gratification. It's also subject to arbitrary ideas of what's right or wrong (do you want Pat Robertson out dispensing justice? how about Al Gore? some people think driving a Hummer should result in beatings and death - why are you any different?).

2 - If they shot the guy execution style, I wouldn't be upset either about the rapist. Not one bit. But I would demand the 5 be put on trial for murder. Because next time they mistakenly kill someon. Or kill someone for looking at them funny, or kill someone for cutting them off in traffic. You just don't know what a stunted sense of justice will bring out in someone. They can't be on the streets after they had a choice to hold vs kill, and they chose to kill.

Vigilantism is NOT justice. It's exactly the opposite.

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[Darius11 12]

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1 - your concept of 'justice' is the same concept that causing a ton of problems in this country and other countries. Vigilantism is not about balance, it's about revenge and self gratification. It's also subject to arbitrary ideas of what's right or wrong (do you want Pat Robertson out dispensing justice? how about Al Gore? some people think driving a Hummer should result in beatings and death - why are you any different?).

That’s what your missing I am not talking about killing people for cutting you off in traffic or any of the other examples you mentioned. I am talking about this case obvious rape. I don’t see the argument of something that is not even related or mentioned.

Just as we can all understand and agree with that rape is not the same as cutting someone of in traffic.

I am assuming most people will be able to tell the difference.

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2 - If they shot the guy execution style, I wouldn't be upset either about the rapist. Not one bit. But I would demand the 5 be put on trial for murder. Because next time they mistakenly kill someon. Or kill someone for looking at them funny, or kill someone for cutting them off in traffic. You just don't know what a stunted sense of justice will bring out in someone. They can't be on the streets after they had a choice to hold vs kill, and they chose to kill.

Vigilantism is NOT justice. It's exactly the opposite.

Vigilantism like killing this guy mentioned in the article is justice and your assuming way too much. Your assuming someone who would think a rapist should be killed thinks someone who cut him or her off in traffic should be killed. Way to much assumption and not really related. I can totally see someone who can kill a bad guy who is a rapist and be able understand that cutting someone of in traffic is not the same crime..

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[kallend 2,146]

You should read that stuff about being "a nation of laws" again.

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[rehmwa 2]

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Vigilantism ..... is justice and your assuming way too much

sorry Darius - This is just wrong.

Strangely enough, to touch on a topic you are passionate about. I bet a lot of people in both Israel and Palestine have this exact same "value". So do rednecks that string up the crim'nals, so did the cowboys of the wild west, .....

Do you think that if this guy was killed (by 5 citizens, rather than by a court of law), that his brother or cousin might think killing the 5 rescuers would also be 'justice'?

IMHO

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[JohnRich 4]

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Deadly force is legal in defense of rape.

By the victim, yes - it becomes much more of a gray area after that, unless the defender is subsequently attacked by the rapist.

Under Texas law, by anyone else too. You can use deadly force to save a third-party from rape. That's straight from the law - nothing "gray" about it.

[kelpdiver 2]

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1 - your concept of 'justice' is the same concept that causing a ton of problems in this country and other countries. Vigilantism is not about balance, it's about revenge and self gratification.

Seems pretty balanced here. A HUGE guy picks out a woman in crutches and assaults here.

5 guys are collectively just a huge in comparison, beat the crap out of him.

Perfect balance.

[JohnRich 4]

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the dude is a scumbag his life loses all value to me when he decided to rape, and unfortunately are justice system does not always serve justice.

Yep, that's the rational used by terrorists to enforce their own moral edicts on anyone else whom they don't like.

[rehmwa 2]

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eems pretty balanced here. A HUGE guy picks out a woman in crutches and assaults here.

5 guys are collectively just a huge in comparison, beat the crap out of him.

Perfect balance.

nice and glib there, Moses, it would make a nice sound bite

justice is society getting to 'beat the crap out of the rapist' (through jail, execution, etc) for the express purpose of making sure he doesn't do it again to another innocent

5 guys beating the crap out of him, after they already stopped him from continuing to rape the girl, in a society that has means to punish the rapist, is just 5 more criminals with a sense of morality weakened by unreasonable revenge and self gratification

the bigger man will make sure he goes in front of a judge, the coward will kill him on the spot out of fear and anger

it's very simple

(again, go ahead and kill the guy if he escalates resistance to the point where the girl or the rescuers feel they are in danger. justified, gladly, I'll pull that trigger or break that neck.

beat up or kill someone that's outclassed and defeated and not resisting? that's a cowardly mob, let the justice system break his neck as that's their job)

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[rehmwa 2]

Anyway, I believe that most people, at crunch time, do the right thing. I bet it happened as follows (and will believe it until I see otherwise):

5 people see the crime: a couple call the cops, the others, or all 5, run over. One likely tackles the guy off the girl, a couple pull the girl to safety. The criminal resists and gets a few knocks or kicks for his troubles until he's overwhelmed.

they sit on him until the cops arrive (that's 5 heroes in my book).



He's likely an asswipe to the cop and resisting a little bit and the cop likely puts him down hard too (again, justified).



I hope they have executions in that state.

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[NCclimber 0]

Come on, people. We're not talking about assaulting this rapist, in an attempt to defend his victim. We're talking about beating the crap out of him (or even killing him) as an act of retribution.

While I personally think he deserved to get the crap beaten out of him and I took pleasure in seeing his mug shot, I don't think that excuses criminal assault by others. We are a nation of laws... and those laws should be upheld.

But then again, enforcement of the laws in this country do seem to be enforced subjectively.

[Darius11 12]

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Vigilantism ..... is justice and your assuming way too much

sorry Darius - This is just wrong.

Strangely enough, to touch on a topic you are passionate about. I bet a lot of people in both Israel and Palestine have this exact same "value". So do rednecks that string up the crim'nals, so did the cowboys of the wild west, .....

Do you think that if this guy was killed (by 5 citizens, rather than by a court of law), that his brother or cousin might think killing the 5 rescuers would also be 'justice'?

IMHO

Here is what i don't get bro.
On the Israeli and Palestine issue every one thinks their right just look at any of the threads and you will see that.

But in this case where it is obvious rape is there anyone who thinks the guy had a right to rape this woman?No right

I guess IMHO when there is a crime such as this where there is no doubt who is at fault and the crime is as sever as rape then I don’t see the issue.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[BillyVance 35]

Anybody have the size and weight of that rapist? He looked pretty big to me, even in that mug shot. Who knows, maybe it did take 5 guys to beat him down into submission.

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[Remster 30]

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But in this case where it is obvious rape is there anyone who thinks the guy had a right to rape this woman?No right

And you have no right to start executing people.

Remster

[NCclimber 0]

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I guess IMHO when there is a crime such as this where there is no doubt who is at fault and the crime is as sever as rape then I don’t see the issue.

The issue is you don't have the right to hand out the penalty.

[Darius11 12]

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the dude is a scumbag his life loses all value to me when he decided to rape, and unfortunately are justice system does not always serve justice.

Yep, that's the rational used by terrorists to enforce their own moral edicts on anyone else whom they don't like.

lets see you said

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Under Texas law, by anyone else too. You can use deadly force to save a third-party from rape. That's straight from the law - nothing "gray" about it.

Do you see what i am geting at here.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain