Lucky... 0 #1 October 30, 2007 Warren Buffet says he pays less tax % than does any of his receptionists. This guy is awaesoe, he says the rich should pay a higher tax rate as the middle class has been getting screwed for the last 10 years or so. More specifically, he says people who consume should be taxed more than people who produce, which is great wisdom. Taxes are supposed to influence behaviour or sometimes deter certain behaviour and taxing the prolatariat punishes going to work. This guy goes agianst the trend so much for the elitist class. He's pledged most of his money to charity once he dies. This guy IS a contemporary American hero IMO, versus the garbage in the White House. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 October 30, 2007 Screwed for the last 10 years or so? What rock have you been hibernating under - the middle class have been getting screwed on taxes for decades. American hero, huh? If he's such a hero, why hasn't he donated the money out already, since that seems to be your criteria...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #3 October 30, 2007 This is all old news. What's your point? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #4 October 30, 2007 Quote "Taxes are supposed to influence behaviour or sometimes deter certain behaviour" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #5 October 30, 2007 QuoteScrewed for the last 10 years or so? What rock have you been hibernating under - the middle class have been getting screwed on taxes for decades. American hero, huh? If he's such a hero, why hasn't he donated the money out already, since that seems to be your criteria... And you keep voting in those who perpetuate the screwing of the middle class? Nice. He's donating after he dies, is that a problem over donating it now? BTW, that would be criterion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #6 October 30, 2007 QuoteAmerican hero, huh? If he's such a hero, why hasn't he donated the money out already, since that seems to be your criteria... Warren Buffett donated approximately 30 billion dollars to charity last year. So, yeah, he is an American hero.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #7 October 30, 2007 QuoteThis is all old news. What's your point? I didn't read it here, is that a problem? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #8 October 30, 2007 Quote Quote "Taxes are supposed to influence behaviour or sometimes deter certain behaviour" And what are you saying? Taxes are supposed to influence and deter behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 October 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteScrewed for the last 10 years or so? What rock have you been hibernating under - the middle class have been getting screwed on taxes for decades. American hero, huh? If he's such a hero, why hasn't he donated the money out already, since that seems to be your criteria... And you keep voting in those who perpetuate the screwing of the middle class? Nice. He's donating after he dies, is that a problem over donating it now? BTW, that would be criterion. All the answers to today's tough questions, telepathic AND you know how I voted???? AMAZING!!! American hero? Hardly. Personal hero because his views mesh with yours? A lot more likely.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 October 30, 2007 Quote Quote Quote "Taxes are supposed to influence behaviour or sometimes deter certain behaviour" And what are you saying? Taxes are supposed to influence and deter behavior. Actually, no.... taxes are to raise revenue. They end up being USED to influence and deter behavior ($200 BATF tax stamp, anyone?), but your being confused over functions of government really doesn't surprise, anymore.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #11 October 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteScrewed for the last 10 years or so? What rock have you been hibernating under - the middle class have been getting screwed on taxes for decades. American hero, huh? If he's such a hero, why hasn't he donated the money out already, since that seems to be your criteria... And you keep voting in those who perpetuate the screwing of the middle class? Nice. He's donating after he dies, is that a problem over donating it now? BTW, that would be criterion. I never thought I'd be invoking the ol' "CDIT," but it's to make a point -- the rich got richer and the poor got poorer under Clinton. So where do you get this "last ten years" from? Like someone said above, the middle class has been getting screwed for much longer than ten years...if you think electing democrats as opposed to republicans is the solution to this problem, you have a lot of homework to do. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #12 October 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis is all old news. What's your point? I didn't read it here, is that a problem? Not at all. I was just curious why you started a thread about stuff that was news back in June of 2006. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 October 30, 2007 QuoteTaxes are supposed to influence behaviour or sometimes deter certain behaviour . . . Uh, no. Not even vaguely. Taxes are to pay for things that we as individuals can't. Things like; " . . . establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity . . . " In more modern (and not quite so poetic) language that would be things like; police, military, interstate infrastructure (roads, water projects), medical care for those unable to provide for themselves that would otherwise pose a medical threat to society.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 October 30, 2007 Quote Quote Taxes are supposed to influence behaviour or sometimes deter certain behaviour . . . Uh, no. Not even vaguely. Taxes are to pay for things that we as individuals can't. Things like; " . . . establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity . . . " In more modern (and not quite so poetic) language that would be things like; police, military, interstate infrastructure (roads, water projects), etc... ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #15 October 30, 2007 Not according to Karl Marx, who some on here idolize. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #16 October 30, 2007 Quote In Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Taxes are supposed to influence behaviour or sometimes deter certain behaviour . . . -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Uh, no. Not even vaguely. Well, depends what Lucky meant. Taxes DO influence behaviours. Its not their main purpose (as you pointed out) but its important to keep it in mind nonetheless.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #17 October 30, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote "Taxes are supposed to influence behaviour or sometimes deter certain behaviour" And what are you saying? Taxes are supposed to influence and deter behavior. Actually, no.... taxes are to raise revenue. They end up being USED to influence and deter behavior ($200 BATF tax stamp, anyone?), but your being confused over functions of government really doesn't surprise, anymore. Taxes collected are used to support programs, now you can look at it either way, but the truth is that taxes are used to deter / penaalize cetrtain behavior and to upport progrmams as well. Maybe that's why they call them sin taxes. Not all taxes are about detering behavior, but I think we can easily see the ones that are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #18 October 30, 2007 QuoteWell, depends what Lucky meant. Taxes DO influence behaviours. Its not their main purpose (as you pointed out) but its important to keep it in mind nonetheless. Oh I realize that's sometimes how the taxes are "sold" to the voters and I also realize that people could change their behaviors as a result of certain taxes being "too high", but they usually don't. Usually they just pony up the dough and keep doing what they've been doing.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #19 October 30, 2007 QuoteOh I realize that's sometimes how the taxes are "sold" to the voters and I also realize that people could change their behaviors as a result of certain taxes being "too high", but they usually don't. frankly, if a tax is out there that is based on some impotent social manipulation concept - that would be a good one to add to the "no true value added let's delete it" list ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #20 October 30, 2007 QuoteUsually they just pony up the dough and keep doing what they've been doing. That's just not a fact Paul. If they just pony up the dough, then they arent saving as much. Some people will do that, others, who value saving money, will spend less. Either way, their behavior has changed.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #21 October 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteOh I realize that's sometimes how the taxes are "sold" to the voters and I also realize that people could change their behaviors as a result of certain taxes being "too high", but they usually don't. frankly, if a tax is out there that is based on some impotent social manipulation concept - that would be a good one to add to the "no true value added let's delete it" list Oh, you're almost NEVER going to find it worded that way. It's almost ALWAYS going to be worded as a tax to benefit "the children" at the cost of some "sin".quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #22 October 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteScrewed for the last 10 years or so? What rock have you been hibernating under - the middle class have been getting screwed on taxes for decades. American hero, huh? If he's such a hero, why hasn't he donated the money out already, since that seems to be your criteria... And you keep voting in those who perpetuate the screwing of the middle class? Nice. He's donating after he dies, is that a problem over donating it now? BTW, that would be criterion. I never thought I'd be invoking the ol' "CDIT," but it's to make a point -- the rich got richer and the poor got poorer under Clinton. So where do you get this "last ten years" from? Like someone said above, the middle class has been getting screwed for much longer than ten years...if you think electing democrats as opposed to republicans is the solution to this problem, you have a lot of homework to do. CDIT? >>>>>the rich got richer and the poor got poorer under Clinton. It's a trend under this lovely country, but the poor had a chance under Clinton. Are you saying things are fiscally better now than under Clinton? >>>>>>>>So where do you get this "last ten years" from? From an interview of Buffet I watched this morning. >>>>>>>Like someone said above, the middle class has been getting screwed for much longer than ten years...if you think electing democrats as opposed to republicans is the solution to this problem, you have a lot of homework to do. Sure they have been, but it's exponentially wayyyyyy worse now. As for home work, I've done it. 1) 1993 1USD = 1.29 CD 2001 1USD = 1.55 CD NOW 1USD = 0.96 CD 2) 1980 US debt = 1Trillion Now = >9Trillion (Clinton leveled out the debt) How's that? We can go into unemployment rates, costs of living, etc.. and we will find the same trend. Mke your point. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #23 October 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis is all old news. What's your point? I didn't read it here, is that a problem? Not at all. I was just curious why you started a thread about stuff that was news back in June of 2006. Because I weatched an interview this morning. Thx for helping the substance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #24 October 30, 2007 QuoteOh, you're almost NEVER going to find it worded that way. Are you sure - I'm certain I saw this on local access television...... "Ladies and Gentlement of the legislature of the Great State of >>>>>. I'd like to propose the IMPOTENT SOCIAL MANIPULATION TAX BILL - number 56611T for the children" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #25 October 30, 2007 QuoteQuoteTaxes are supposed to influence behaviour or sometimes deter certain behaviour . . . Uh, no. Not even vaguely. Taxes are to pay for things that we as individuals can't. Things like; " . . . establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity . . . " In more modern (and not quite so poetic) language that would be things like; police, military, interstate infrastructure (roads, water projects), medical care for those unable to provide for themselves that would otherwise pose a medical threat to society. How do you define sin taxes and luxury taxes? You can talk disposition all day, but to talk resons for collection can include things like deterrence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
