Free Colege for everyone! Boy he is so smart!

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John Edwards says if he's elected president, he'll institute a New Deal-like suite of programs to fight poverty and stem growing wealth disparity. To do it, he said, he'll ask many Americans to make sacrifices, like paying higher taxes.

Edwards, a former Democratic senator from North Carolina, says the federal government should underwrite universal pre-kindergarten, create matching savings accounts for low-income people, mandate a minimum wage of $9.50 and provide a million new Section 8 housing vouchers for the poor. He also pledged to start a government-funded public higher education program called "College for Everyone."

"It is central to what I want to do as president to do something about economic inequality. I do not believe it is okay for the United States of America to have 37 million people living in poverty," he said in a meeting with Monitor reporters and editors this week. "And I think we need, desperately need, a president who will say that to America and call on Americans to show their character."

At every stop, Edwards said, he tells voters he'll ask them to sacrifice. Asked to describe what he means, he described his plan for increases in capital gains taxes, saying taxes on "wealth income" should be in line with those on work income.

"I think if we want to fund the things that I think are important to share in prosperity, then people who have done well in this country, including me, have more of a responsibility to give back," he said. Later, he added: "There are no free meals."

From the way it sounds it doesnt matter who gets to be the next president one thing I can almost for a fact say is for sure and that is our taxes will be going waaaaaaay up. Instead of cutting spending on BS and handouts they just give the govt a pay-raise. He wants to nail capitol gains. I have a question. I just lost a shitload of money (for me it was a lot) in the stock market in the last month. Can I claim my loss on my taxes? Probably not but they want there share if you gain any.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[kallend 2,150]

Well, at least he knows how to spell "college"!

PS you can use capital losses to offset gains in later years.

PPS the Capitol is where the legislature hangs out.

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[namgrunt 0]

I travel 60 times a year on business to states west of the Missippi river. I have noticed if you chech the price on a few items you can tell weathes the state is run by which political party.
check the price on the following items

gasoline
cigaretts
total sales tax
hotel add on trash taxes

high prices = Dems.
lower prices = Repubs

example
a pack of cigs is 7.49 in Seattle
2.75 in Georgia

a gallon of regurlar gas in Kalifornia is 3.49
and 2.69 in Ga.

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[Amazon 7]

You can usually tell by the Median Income level...in Red States V Blue States....You are still paying more of your income there than here.

You also need to look at the lists of DESIREABLE places to live.

Thank GOD I escaped to some place livable... so I get to travel back to the third world states to see the quaint customs of the natives once in a while.

[kallend 2,150]

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I travel 60 times a year on business to states west of the Missippi river. I have noticed if you chech the price on a few items you can tell weathes the state is run by which political party.
check the price on the following items

gasoline
cigaretts
total sales tax
hotel add on trash taxes

high prices = Dems.
lower prices = Repubs

example
a pack of cigs is 7.49 in Seattle
2.75 in Georgia

a gallon of regurlar gas in Kalifornia is 3.49
and 2.69 in Ga.

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I was just in CA and gas wasn't $3.49, or even close, unless you bought it at the rip-off artists called "rental car agencies".



Here are the FACTS. http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/sbsavg.asp

And you also have to consider things like distance from refineries, pipeline costs for remote locations, and any special emissions requirements, like in SoCal.

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[nerdgirl 0]

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a gallon of regurlar gas in Kalifornia is 3.49
and 2.69 in Ga.

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Where did you find $2.69 in GA? I filled up last night for $2.89, which is the cheapest around where I am; most stations have been ~$2.99 since August.

(And noticed Friday that it was $2.65 in downstate Illinois.)

VR/Marg

Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying

[kallend 2,150]

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a gallon of regurlar gas in Kalifornia is 3.49
and 2.69 in Ga.

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Where did you find $2.69 in GA? I filled up last night for $2.89, which is the cheapest around where I am; most stations have been ~$2.99 since August.

(And noticed Friday that it was $2.65 in downstate Illinois.)

VR/Marg

$2.75 on I-80 in northern Illinois yesterday. There goes that hypothesis!

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[Rookie120 0]

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Well, at least he knows how to spell "college"!

1 in the morning and 4 double scotches does hell on the sight. It looked correct when I posted it.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

[champu 1]

The number of people you can observe when in undergrad that don't take college seriously, don't really care what their degree is in, and are probably only there because their parents expect them to go and are paying for the whole shebang leaves me divided on this.

In an ideal world, one for which this sales pitch appears to have been drafted, this will make college available for more people who actually want to be there and get something out of it. As a natural side effect, the limited capacity of universities will prevent uninterested people from going through the motions for four years to receive a piece of paper of which they can't remember the significance.

In a wretched world, capacities of universities will be driven up degrading overall course quality, disadvantaged but motivated people will still come from poor lower and secondary education systems and not be properly prepared to get what anyone should out of attending college, universities will find legislation tied to this bill imposing quotas on acceptance of people being helped by this program, motivated people who could afford school get passed over while loud parents of unmotivated kids pull strings to ensure their kids get the slots on their side of the quotas, and a whole new torrent of people who go to college but don't really care about being there will be seen.

In the real world, we're going to get something in between. The question I have is how much of each can we likely expect, and is what we get going to be worth the price we pay?

"Is College for Everyone?"

[JackC 0]

God knows this world is full of people who are in dire need of ejucatin'. But...

There are only so many graduate jobs and competition to get those jobs is already be stiff. A newly earned degree is worth most in the first year, after that you've got a new bunch of graduates all trying for the same jobs as you except your degree is a year out of date. It certainly doesn't look good to be unemployed for a year after graduating.

Now if everyone had degrees, only the very best would be worth the paper they are written on. Graduates with anything less than a 1st class honours degrees with glowing refeneces and an internment or two will find their degree worthless. A worthless piece of paper that cost them several years and probably a few thousand dollars of debt to gain.

Sending everyone to college will actually be a disservice to those people who aren't capable of gaining the very highest classifications because they stand no chance of capitalising on their expensive efforts. Degrees are meant to be for the best, don't give them to everyone.

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Instead of cutting spending on BS and handouts they just give the govt a pay-raise.

It sure would be nice to see governments all over the world spend less and thus tax us all less. I am on your side when it comes to not wanting to be taxed to death. But as much as the Democrates are guilty of all their promises to the electorate (which we know they can't keep), your beloved Republicans continue to spend billions and billions (no Trillions) of dollars on war. The Republicans have put your nation into debt beyond comprehension and the only ones who win are their CEO buddies at Haliburton. The American public sure does not win anything with this out of control spending of your beloved war time president.

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I just lost a shitload of money (for me it was a lot) in the stock market in the last month. Can I claim my loss on my taxes? Probably not but they want there share if you gain any.

You can deducte your first $2000 of your loses. But please you are preaching to the choir about losing money in the markets. If you were not prepared to lose 100% of your investment, then you should never have been in the markets to begin with. Plus one should never be emotional when it comes to investing in the markets. Before you even buy a security, you need to have established when you were going to exit it. If you're down 5-10% get out now, take your loss. A 5-10% loss is better than 100%. Then again, maybe you were shorting a stock in which case the sky is the limit as to how much you can lose.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[nathaniel 0]

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high prices today and higher prices tomorrow = Dems.
lower prices today and much higher prices tomorrow = Repubs

FTFY, fiscal reality.

There's nearly unanimous agreement among economists that we are overspending, and that tax increases are the only way to reconcile our debts. It's yet possible to play games with accounting and with bonds to lighten the load today, but the net result will be increased burdens later on, and on our children / grandchildren.

Hope it was worth it.

My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski?

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The Republicans have put your nation into debt beyond comprehension and the only ones who win are their CEO buddies at Haliburton.

Ah, there's that old lie again.... *chuckles*

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[CanuckInUSA 0]

It's amazing that you laugh at the debt your beloved war president has put your nation into. Have you paid any attention to the economic status of your nation is in lately? The poor get poorer and the rich get richer, but the number of rich are shinking very very fast. Hell my monopoly money you people were so quick to make fun of 2-3 years ago is worth more than you greenback now.

The Republicans spend more money than the Democrates. The only difference is that the Replubicans put the money into their imperialistic military industrial complex while the Democrates promise to spend it socially (and yes we know they can't keep all their promises). Quite frankly, I would say both of your political choices stink.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[mnealtx 0]

And if you were able to prove that (the 'war buddies money' and 'haliburton' stuff), you could get him impeached. After 5+ years, they can't. Give it a rest.

Imperialism? Bullshit. The only land we've ever asked for from any place we've fought in was enough to bury those who died there.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[CanuckInUSA 0]

Dude why the #### did your beloved war time president invade Iraq? We were told it was about WMD, but we know that was a lie. Then we were told, it was because of terrorism, but Iraq and 9/11 had nothing to do with each other. Another lie. Then we were told you invaded Iraq because you wanted to spread democracy. But the funny thing is, American is not a democracy. It is a republic with your beloved war time president having all the powers to kill and destroy at his disposal.

So why did you invade Iraq? Who's next? Iran? Who comes after Iran? But to get back on topic, I think both Republican and Democrates as options for the common American voter stinks. Neither party cares about what is best for the average American. You should spend tiime outside of America to see what a negative image your leadership has created for your country. Fox News is not a good source for you to be judging the damage you leadership is doing to your country.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[warpedskydiver 0]

The only land we've ever asked for from any place we've fought in was enough to bury those who died there.

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Hey maybe he resents that too.

Oh that's right Canada would never have been invaded, nor England right?

Yep nobody would have wanted the vast resources that canada has, nor the use of it's land in order to launch an invasion of the USA.

BTW has Canuck ever noticed how close they are to the former Soviet Union?

Guess where the bombers would have been hitting on the way to their primary targets?

[mnealtx 0]

Done with your tantrum?

Good.

Now... PROVE what you're ranting about and you'll be the poster child for the Dems for the next 50 years...

Oh, and BTW? I've spent the last 16 years living outside of the States... care to admit to how much traveling YOU'VE done outside of Canada?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[DJL 235]

A better move here would be to promote more institutes for skilled labor. Not everyone should go through the classic college well-rounded sort of curriculum. All we end up with is a bunch of people who work retail but "really get Carl Jung". It does nothing for us as a country. We need more technoweenies like India and China has.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[Guest]

Another tax-and-spend plan by a wealthy liberal.

The wealthy already have their money beyond the government's reach (that's why they're wealthy).

It'll be the middle class that ends up taking it in the shorts, as usual.

mh
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[CanuckInUSA 0]

You guys are missing the point in all of this. You've allowed yourselves to be fooled by your governments about the dangers of this or that nation when in reality your own governments are a huge part of the problem the world now faces. The Soviet Union was only trying to keep up with the military spending your government was/is doing. They were/are not the treat that your government continues to paint them out to be. The common Russian is a decent person, just as the common American is a decent person (LOL guess what? the common Iranian is also a decent person). It is the people controlling these governments that are a threat.

The Democrates are fools to be promising all this spending to poor Americans because we know they can't deliver. But some of you are blindly following your beloved war time Republican president who has put your nation so deep in debt. You guys are in dire need of a third option. But none exists.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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From the way it sounds it doesnt matter who gets to be the next president one thing I can almost for a fact say is for sure and that is our taxes will be going waaaaaaay up. Instead of cutting spending on BS and handouts they just give the govt a pay-raise. ...

Maybe the next Pres should bring Ben (of Ben and Jerry fame) Cohen into the cabinet. Here's a quote from an interview last year.


"Q: What's the goal of Business Leaders for Sensible Priorities?

A: The mission is to fund social needs -- education, health care, world hunger, energy independence and even a little debt reduction -- at no additional cost by reducing Cold War-era weapons expenditures.

Larry Korb, the former assistant secretary of defense under Reagan, identified $60 billion worth of Cold War weapons we are building every year (such as the F/A-22 fighter jet, the Virginia Class submarine, and much of the country's nuclear arsenal).

For that amount of money you could repair every school in the U.S., plus you could provide health care for every kid in the U.S. who currently doesn't have it. You know those 6 million kids who die every year around the world from starvation? You could provide food self-sufficiency for all of them in addition. It's shocking stuff. And it's irresponsible not to work to make that change. That's what drives me."

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Another tax-and-spend plan by a wealthy liberal.

The wealthy already have their money beyond the government's reach (that's why they're wealthy).

It'll be the middle class that ends up taking it in the shorts, as usual.

mh
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OK, but the US taxpayer will get some payback from spending on education, but blowing $500billion and counting, plus more than 3,000 lives, on an unnecessary war has not produced anything of value to the nation as a whole.

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But please you are preaching to the choir about losing money in the markets. If you were not prepared to lose 100% of your investment, then you should never have been in the markets to begin with.

I'm not bitching about what I lost. What I am bitchin about is when I make money in it the govt has there hands deep in my pocket but when you lose in the market they turn around like nothing happened. They are riding on the back of the risk that I take with my money for my future because I know the money they say they are holding for me wont be there when I am 65.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Maybe the next Pres should bring Ben (of Ben and Jerry fame) Cohen into the cabinet. Here's a quote from an interview last year.

Please tell me your joking! I just woke up and maybe I didnt see the sarcasm.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!