pop 0 #1 October 26, 2007 Correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that the reason you guys carry concealed weapons is in case you might need to protect yourself. When you leave your house and you strap on your gun, do you also put on a bullet proof vest, you know just in case you might need to protect yourself?7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #2 October 26, 2007 When you cook out in the back yard, do you just make sure the water hose is handy, or do you call the fire department and have them send a truck over just in case? When you go to the dropzone, do you have them put up a stuntman's landing pad, in case your reserve malfunctions? You suffer from the (all too common among anti-2nd Amendment types) ridiculous idea that CHL holders are going out "looking for trouble". The slightest amount of research on any pro-2nd site would have shown you that CHL holders go to extremes to stay OUT of that type of situation and only plan to use their weapon as a last resort, if trouble comes and finds there. Your "fishing" is becoming trollish.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,440 #3 October 26, 2007 Quotedo you also put on a bullet proof vest, you know just in case you might need to protect yourself? I do not. It would be better for them to have one. Practice till you are this goodNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #4 October 26, 2007 Nope, no bullet proof vest. With my trusty Glock and cat-like reflexes I am good to go.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #5 October 26, 2007 QuoteWhen you cook out in the back yard, do you just make sure the water hose is handy, or do you call the fire department and have them send a truck over just in case? When you go to the dropzone, do you have them put up a stuntman's landing pad, in case your reserve malfunctions? You suffer from the (all too common among anti-2nd Amendment types) ridiculous idea that CHL holders are going out "looking for trouble". The slightest amount of research on any pro-2nd site would have shown you that CHL holders go to extremes to stay OUT of that type of situation and only plan to use their weapon as a last resort, if trouble comes and finds there. Your "fishing" is becoming trollish. You are right. I am trolling...and i ll stop, but to what extent do you need to protect yourself? If you have one gun on you, why not carry two....in case that one moment that you are preparing for comes. Do you guys live out of fear? Why do you feel you have to be armed to walk the streets? What is truly the driver that makes you feel you have to me armed to live life?7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #6 October 26, 2007 Only if I am driving my car and not my tank You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #7 October 26, 2007 QuoteWhen you cook out in the back yard, do you just make sure the water hose is handy, or do you call the fire department and have them send a truck over just in case? Niether...I have a fire extinguisher ready :). Speaking of cook outs....We do that every weekend, and since you live within an hour or me i would love to have you over for a BBQ7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #8 October 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhen you cook out in the back yard, do you just make sure the water hose is handy, or do you call the fire department and have them send a truck over just in case? When you go to the dropzone, do you have them put up a stuntman's landing pad, in case your reserve malfunctions? You suffer from the (all too common among anti-2nd Amendment types) ridiculous idea that CHL holders are going out "looking for trouble". The slightest amount of research on any pro-2nd site would have shown you that CHL holders go to extremes to stay OUT of that type of situation and only plan to use their weapon as a last resort, if trouble comes and finds there. Your "fishing" is becoming trollish. You are right. I am trolling...and i ll stop, but to what extent do you need to protect yourself? If you have one gun on you, why not carry two....in case that one moment that you are preparing for comes. Do you guys live out of fear? Why do you feel you have to be armed to walk the streets? What is truly the driver that makes you feel you have to me armed to live life? Why do you wear your seatbelt when you drive? Assuming you do. I like to be prepared. I have no fear in my life and I don't carry all the time. In certain situations I do. If something happens I will be prepared. Merely stacking the deck in my favor. It is really that simple.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 October 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhen you cook out in the back yard, do you just make sure the water hose is handy, or do you call the fire department and have them send a truck over just in case? When you go to the dropzone, do you have them put up a stuntman's landing pad, in case your reserve malfunctions? You suffer from the (all too common among anti-2nd Amendment types) ridiculous idea that CHL holders are going out "looking for trouble". The slightest amount of research on any pro-2nd site would have shown you that CHL holders go to extremes to stay OUT of that type of situation and only plan to use their weapon as a last resort, if trouble comes and finds there. Your "fishing" is becoming trollish. You are right. I am trolling...and i ll stop, but to what extent do you need to protect yourself? If you have one gun on you, why not carry two....in case that one moment that you are preparing for comes. Do you guys live out of fear? Why do you feel you have to be armed to walk the streets? What is truly the driver that makes you feel you have to me armed to live life? [devil's advocate]Why do you wear a seat belt in your car? Why do you have insurance or a fire extinguisher? Why do you live in such fear?[/da] More importantly...why is your outlook biased so that you consider the ONLY reason to have a gun is due to fear, but the other examples that I provided are considered "being prepared"?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #10 October 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteWhen you cook out in the back yard, do you just make sure the water hose is handy, or do you call the fire department and have them send a truck over just in case? Niether...I have a fire extinguisher ready :). Speaking of cook outs....We do that every weekend, and since you live within an hour or me i would love to have you over for a BBQ I'd love to, (time/events permitting) the next time I'm home on vacation.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #11 October 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhen you cook out in the back yard, do you just make sure the water hose is handy, or do you call the fire department and have them send a truck over just in case? When you go to the dropzone, do you have them put up a stuntman's landing pad, in case your reserve malfunctions? You suffer from the (all too common among anti-2nd Amendment types) ridiculous idea that CHL holders are going out "looking for trouble". The slightest amount of research on any pro-2nd site would have shown you that CHL holders go to extremes to stay OUT of that type of situation and only plan to use their weapon as a last resort, if trouble comes and finds there. Your "fishing" is becoming trollish. You are right. I am trolling...and i ll stop, but to what extent do you need to protect yourself? If you have one gun on you, why not carry two....in case that one moment that you are preparing for comes. Do you guys live out of fear? Why do you feel you have to be armed to walk the streets? What is truly the driver that makes you feel you have to me armed to live life? [devil's advocate]Why do you wear a seat belt in your car? Why do you have insurance or a fire extinguisher? Why do you live in such fear?[/da] More importantly...why is your outlook biased so that you consider the ONLY reason to have a gun is due to fear, but the other examples that I provided are considered "being prepared"? I dont think I live in fear, but I also dont walk around with a weapon on me. I have two fists, a brain, and a mouth that usually gets me out of things. And if that doesnt stand up to a gun one day in case someone pulls one on me...then I guess i am out of luck. I dont feel like I live in a war zone where I have to be strapped.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #12 October 26, 2007 I don't live in fear either - but I wear a seatbelt so I'm prepared in case of an accident, I keep a hose or extinguisher handy when I bbq in case of a fire, and I have a gun in case someone offers me deadly harm.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 871 #13 October 26, 2007 but you do live in one of those "zones" check recorded incidents of self defense in your area: The Armed Citizen IF the situation arises, I simply choose to be armed instead of dead. It's my choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #14 October 26, 2007 My brother was carjacked at gun point. My brother had a gun on him, which he chose not to pull out. And I am so thankful that he didn’t, because only god knows how badly that could have escalated the situation that was simply solved by giving up the car. My brother was armed, but he chose not to pull out the gun to not create a situation where bullets might go flying. You see what I am saying?7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #15 October 26, 2007 Correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that the reason you guys carry concealed weapons is in case you might need to protect yourself. When you leave your house and you strap on your gun, do you also put on a bullet proof vest, you know just in case you might need to protect yourself? *** Well yes I do! It makes me look fat(er), or as my mom used to call it, HUSKY.............. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 October 26, 2007 Sounds like he did the right thing for that situation - have you told your brother that he shouldn't have had a pistol, or is that reserved for us?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #17 October 26, 2007 Quotehave you told your brother that he shouldn't have had a pistolreply] Absolutly.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pop 0 #18 October 26, 2007 Quote Correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that the reason you guys carry concealed weapons is in case you might need to protect yourself. When you leave your house and you strap on your gun, do you also put on a bullet proof vest, you know just in case you might need to protect yourself? *** Well yes I do! You guys definitely need guns, and vests, and the whole deal. You have a real need for it.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #19 October 26, 2007 At least you're consistent - kudos to you for that. Just because drawing his pistol was inappropriate for that situation does not make that solution valid for all situations, however. I admit, I cannot understand the mentality that would submit to the good intentions of a criminal without the presence of overwhelming force.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites IanHarrop 42 #20 October 26, 2007 Quote... Do you guys live out of fear? Why do you feel you have to be armed to walk the streets? What is truly the driver that makes you feel you have to me armed to live life? You don't really expect anyone on this forum to say that they live in fear do you? Even if fear or feelings of insecurity are the root reason to carry a weapon, I expect that few would openly admit it and would justify being armed with a gun another way. Perhaps it would be hard to consciously admit it to them selves as living in fear is not something pleasant to think about."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 871 #21 October 26, 2007 I couldn't agree more. So long as the criminals know they can take advantage of us because we won't fight back, they will do just that. I'm not a sheep, and I wil not allow someone to take from me at will or put my family at risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zing 2 #22 October 26, 2007 Hey Pop, here's a question for you. When you contract with someone to provide a professional service (such as rewriting a sales brochure) and promise to pay for that service, repeatedly, but then fail to deliver that promised payment, do you think anyone should believe your statements on any other subject?Zing Lurks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #23 October 26, 2007 QuoteMy brother was carjacked at gun point. My brother had a gun on him, which he chose not to pull out. And I am so thankful that he didn’t, because only god knows how badly that could have escalated the situation that was simply solved by giving up the car. My brother was armed, but he chose not to pull out the gun to not create a situation where bullets might go flying. You see what I am saying? I'm confused, isn't your argument that, since the gun is present, that your brother should have started randomly shooting in all directions? But he didn't........WTF? I'm sure that owning the gun, he went purposely looking for a carjacker...... Does he use the gun to kill cans and paper? I suspect he must also shoot the gun at the car in order to turn off the car. That, and house lights. (guns are so handy for use as a remote control) Are you scared to be around him? He might just shoot you for no reason. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pop 0 #24 October 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteMy brother was carjacked at gun point. My brother had a gun on him, which he chose not to pull out. And I am so thankful that he didn’t, because only god knows how badly that could have escalated the situation that was simply solved by giving up the car. My brother was armed, but he chose not to pull out the gun to not create a situation where bullets might go flying. You see what I am saying? I'm confused, isn't your argument that, since the gun is present, that your brother should have started randomly shooting in all directions? But he didn't........WTF? I'm sure that owning the gun, he went purposely looking for a carjacker...... Does he use the gun to kill cans and paper? I suspect he must also shoot the gun at the car in order to turn off the car. That, and house lights. (guns are so handy for use as a remote control) Are you scared to be around him? He might just shoot you for no reason. Stop blabbering...read again. My argument was that had he pulled out the gun it would have escalated the situation which could have ended in death. This was avoided by using brains, giving up the car and walking away alive.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AWL71 0 #25 October 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteMy brother was carjacked at gun point. My brother had a gun on him, which he chose not to pull out. And I am so thankful that he didn’t, because only god knows how badly that could have escalated the situation that was simply solved by giving up the car. My brother was armed, but he chose not to pull out the gun to not create a situation where bullets might go flying. You see what I am saying? I'm confused, isn't your argument that, since the gun is present, that your brother should have started randomly shooting in all directions? But he didn't........WTF? I'm sure that owning the gun, he went purposely looking for a carjacker...... Does he use the gun to kill cans and paper? I suspect he must also shoot the gun at the car in order to turn off the car. That, and house lights. (guns are so handy for use as a remote control) Are you scared to be around him? He might just shoot you for no reason. Stop blabbering...read again. My argument was that had he pulled out the gun it would have escalated the situation which could have ended in death. This was avoided by using brains, giving up the car and walking away alive. You should stop your blabbering because you are contradicting yourself. You have statred in the past that when people carry guns it will escalate into a Wild West Shootout. Your example shows that did not happen. Most people who carry concealed do it smartly.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 1 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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pop 0 #18 October 26, 2007 Quote Correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that the reason you guys carry concealed weapons is in case you might need to protect yourself. When you leave your house and you strap on your gun, do you also put on a bullet proof vest, you know just in case you might need to protect yourself? *** Well yes I do! You guys definitely need guns, and vests, and the whole deal. You have a real need for it.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #19 October 26, 2007 At least you're consistent - kudos to you for that. Just because drawing his pistol was inappropriate for that situation does not make that solution valid for all situations, however. I admit, I cannot understand the mentality that would submit to the good intentions of a criminal without the presence of overwhelming force.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #20 October 26, 2007 Quote... Do you guys live out of fear? Why do you feel you have to be armed to walk the streets? What is truly the driver that makes you feel you have to me armed to live life? You don't really expect anyone on this forum to say that they live in fear do you? Even if fear or feelings of insecurity are the root reason to carry a weapon, I expect that few would openly admit it and would justify being armed with a gun another way. Perhaps it would be hard to consciously admit it to them selves as living in fear is not something pleasant to think about."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 871 #21 October 26, 2007 I couldn't agree more. So long as the criminals know they can take advantage of us because we won't fight back, they will do just that. I'm not a sheep, and I wil not allow someone to take from me at will or put my family at risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zing 2 #22 October 26, 2007 Hey Pop, here's a question for you. When you contract with someone to provide a professional service (such as rewriting a sales brochure) and promise to pay for that service, repeatedly, but then fail to deliver that promised payment, do you think anyone should believe your statements on any other subject?Zing Lurks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 October 26, 2007 QuoteMy brother was carjacked at gun point. My brother had a gun on him, which he chose not to pull out. And I am so thankful that he didn’t, because only god knows how badly that could have escalated the situation that was simply solved by giving up the car. My brother was armed, but he chose not to pull out the gun to not create a situation where bullets might go flying. You see what I am saying? I'm confused, isn't your argument that, since the gun is present, that your brother should have started randomly shooting in all directions? But he didn't........WTF? I'm sure that owning the gun, he went purposely looking for a carjacker...... Does he use the gun to kill cans and paper? I suspect he must also shoot the gun at the car in order to turn off the car. That, and house lights. (guns are so handy for use as a remote control) Are you scared to be around him? He might just shoot you for no reason. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #24 October 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteMy brother was carjacked at gun point. My brother had a gun on him, which he chose not to pull out. And I am so thankful that he didn’t, because only god knows how badly that could have escalated the situation that was simply solved by giving up the car. My brother was armed, but he chose not to pull out the gun to not create a situation where bullets might go flying. You see what I am saying? I'm confused, isn't your argument that, since the gun is present, that your brother should have started randomly shooting in all directions? But he didn't........WTF? I'm sure that owning the gun, he went purposely looking for a carjacker...... Does he use the gun to kill cans and paper? I suspect he must also shoot the gun at the car in order to turn off the car. That, and house lights. (guns are so handy for use as a remote control) Are you scared to be around him? He might just shoot you for no reason. Stop blabbering...read again. My argument was that had he pulled out the gun it would have escalated the situation which could have ended in death. This was avoided by using brains, giving up the car and walking away alive.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #25 October 26, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteMy brother was carjacked at gun point. My brother had a gun on him, which he chose not to pull out. And I am so thankful that he didn’t, because only god knows how badly that could have escalated the situation that was simply solved by giving up the car. My brother was armed, but he chose not to pull out the gun to not create a situation where bullets might go flying. You see what I am saying? I'm confused, isn't your argument that, since the gun is present, that your brother should have started randomly shooting in all directions? But he didn't........WTF? I'm sure that owning the gun, he went purposely looking for a carjacker...... Does he use the gun to kill cans and paper? I suspect he must also shoot the gun at the car in order to turn off the car. That, and house lights. (guns are so handy for use as a remote control) Are you scared to be around him? He might just shoot you for no reason. Stop blabbering...read again. My argument was that had he pulled out the gun it would have escalated the situation which could have ended in death. This was avoided by using brains, giving up the car and walking away alive. You should stop your blabbering because you are contradicting yourself. You have statred in the past that when people carry guns it will escalate into a Wild West Shootout. Your example shows that did not happen. Most people who carry concealed do it smartly.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites