NCclimber 0 #51 October 18, 2007 QuoteIt's very difficult to twist someone's words when they are shown speaking them on a video clip. The words speak for themselves. Do you really believe this simple-minded rationale? Or are you just seeing how many people you can reel in? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,166 #52 October 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteIt's very difficult to twist someone's words when they are shown speaking them on a video clip. The words speak for themselves. Do you really believe this simple-minded rationale? Or are you just seeing how many people you can reel in? When Nixon said on camera, speaking to the nation, "I am not a crook" what do you think he really meant? That he was a crook? When Clinton told the nation on TV "I did not have sex with that woman" was he admitting to having sex with her?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #53 October 18, 2007 Dr. John Kallend Do you Own a Firearm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #54 October 18, 2007 QuoteDr. John Kallend Do you Own a Firearm? You've asked the same question twice. I'm certain that if he wants to answer you he will. I'm just as certain that repeating the question multiple times in bold does nothing to make him want to.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #55 October 18, 2007 ok I guess he needed someone to rescue him from humiliation. John should thank you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #56 October 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteDr. John Kallend Do you Own a Firearm? You've asked the same question twice. I'm certain that if he wants to answer you he will. I'm just as certain that repeating the question multiple times in bold does nothing to make him want to. But it is quite amusing that one of the most vocal sparring partners of the gun rights posters is unwilling to answer the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #57 October 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteDr. John Kallend Do you Own a Firearm? You've asked the same question twice. I'm certain that if he wants to answer you he will. I'm just as certain that repeating the question multiple times in bold does nothing to make him want to. But it is quick amusing that one of the most vocal sparring partners of the gun rights posters is unwilling to answer the question. Yeah, but John's clearly not against guns in the same manner as the 'scared of guns for the sake of it" crowd, he just likes to spar on that side (devil's advocate-like). That's why it's a mixture of good arguments and just obnoxious conflict. Without JK, we would just get lame and thin discussions based on wimpy 'what if one person' arguments and emotional digressions. He's the only one to bring anything remotely interesting to the debate. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #58 October 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's very difficult to twist someone's words when they are shown speaking them on a video clip. The words speak for themselves. Do you really believe this simple-minded rationale? Or are you just seeing how many people you can reel in? When Nixon said on camera, speaking to the nation, "I am not a crook" what do you think he really meant? That he was a crook? When Clinton told the nation on TV "I did not have sex with that woman" was he admitting to having sex with her? They were both denying accusations against them. As a result they both showed they were willing to lie to the American people. What does this have to do with Michael Moore's deceptive practices? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #59 October 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteI think I'd enjoy this. Moore doesn't hate America, he hates capitalism. Right - like Bill Gates. No he loves Capitalism - just wants everyone but him to experiance Socialism.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,166 #60 October 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteI think I'd enjoy this. Moore doesn't hate America, he hates capitalism. Right - like Bill Gates. No he loves Capitalism - just wants everyone but him to experiance Socialism. I guess I omitted the irony icon when I wrote that. Of course he's a freaking capitalist.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,166 #61 October 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIt's very difficult to twist someone's words when they are shown speaking them on a video clip. The words speak for themselves. Do you really believe this simple-minded rationale? Or are you just seeing how many people you can reel in? When Nixon said on camera, speaking to the nation, "I am not a crook" what do you think he really meant? That he was a crook? When Clinton told the nation on TV "I did not have sex with that woman" was he admitting to having sex with her? They were both denying accusations against them. As a result they both showed they were willing to lie to the American people. What does this have to do with Michael Moore's deceptive practices? Re-read the thread. You have a remarkable talent for (a) forgetting what was written a couple of hours ago (Jakee's hypothesis), (b) being deliberately obtuse (my hypothesis), (c) nitpicking for the sake of it (I think this was Bill's hypothesis), or (d) all of the above.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #62 October 18, 2007 It's not really my problem if people get there panties in a wad when I draw attention to their bullshit ploys, now is it? When it comes to being deliberately obtuse, I can't hold a candle to you. BTW Do you own a gun? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #63 October 18, 2007 Careful or they will take you for a ride in the BAN wagon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,166 #64 October 18, 2007 QuoteIt's not really my problem if people get there panties in a wad when I draw attention to their bullshit ploys, now is it? ? Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on your back.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #65 October 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteIt's not really my problem if people get there panties in a wad when I draw attention to their bullshit ploys, now is it? ? Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on your back. Gonna have a moderator break his arm for you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,166 #66 October 18, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's not really my problem if people get there panties in a wad when I draw attention to their bullshit ploys, now is it? ? Don't hurt your arm patting yourself on your back. Gonna have a moderator break his arm for you? Having a little temper tantrum there, Randall?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #67 October 18, 2007 Not at all. Just pointing out the obvious But if you say so it must be true, because you Dr. John Kallend, has said so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,166 #68 October 18, 2007 Quote Not at all. Just pointing out the obvious But if you say so it must be true, because you Dr. John Kallend, has said so. That's good, have a nice evening.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #69 October 19, 2007 Quote Quote Why do we focus on who MM is rather than to look at his assertions? Oh, I know, becaue it's easier to call him a greedy fat pig rather than to impeach his assertions. I'm thinking someone hasn't seen the movie this thread was named after I've only seen 1 of his movies, and I'm aware of the movie in question. But the point I'm making is that it is the intelligent approach to weigh the things he says rather than question his authority. If Charles Manson said we should put up pool fences to ensure our kids don't drown, would you say he's a murderer (conspirator) so his message is worthless? WHat if he says the opposite? Do we then say that of course a murderer would say that? Get away from worrying about the character, which is subjective anyway, but look look at the substance of whatever said person asserts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #70 October 19, 2007 Quote Quote Yep, building a case against his character rather than to impeach his assertions. Again, money and medical attention should be exclusive and that GD MM is trying to overthrow that, but that is unpoipular to refer to so let's see...... HE"S A FAT PIG TOO. I realize how much you like to distract from the subject being discussed to get in your Marxist Mantra. My response, since you seemed to have missed it, was to the question of whether MM is an honest Capitalist. I made no point that his weight was an issue nor did I comment about the specifics of his movies. Thanks for helping prove my point that MM promotes socialism but is really a dishonest Capitalist. . >>>>>I realize how much you like to distract from the subject being discussed to get in your Marxist Mantra. Thank you, my point exactly; you worry more about teh author than the message. Those of us who actuall have a point, make that point. Those who have no point, defer to character assassinations >>>>>>>My response, since you seemed to have missed it, was to the question of whether MM is an honest Capitalist. Who cares, address his points. If he was a capitalist vs a Socialist vs a Communist, would that change the meaning of what he claims? IF so, how? Even as HAnnity says, "Lear jet Leiberals" are hypocrites - I agree, but what they are does not change the content of their message, just makes them hypocritical perhaps. So he's a transvestite who eats pudding in his panties, now let's talk abut the substance of what he talks about. >>>>>>>>I made no point that his weight was an issue nor did I comment about the specifics of his movies. Thanks for helping prove my point that MM promotes socialism but is really a dishonest Capitalist. MM is a fucking no good pig bastard, we both agree. Now let's talk some of his points. Oh, don't wanna???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #71 October 19, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote I don't think Michael Moore hates America. I think he loves this country and the opportunities it provides for him to make a fortune. And vidence of that is the wonderful Bush admin that also really loves America.Even if both exploit America, MM exposes truths, Bush extorts $$$ and trades lives to ensure he and his cronies are phat. Which is worse, Republican? What? No mention of Iraq? How incomplete. And yet another misdirection from the side that wants medical coverage to be exclusive? How typical and complete. Says the guy who uses a thread about Michael Moore to bash our president. Where have I said I want medical coverage to be exclusive? >>>>>>Says the guy who uses a thread about Michael Moore to bash our president And why do you dislike MM? Becuase he makes assertions about your pres and your party that you don't like, so I am addressing the issue. >>>>>>>Where have I said I want medical coverage to be exclusive>|? Well, do you want to ensure everyone has it? If not, then you are for exclusive coverge, as there will always be a certain % of society who can't afford it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #72 October 19, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote It amazes me that all you righties have apparently watched his movies (you know SO much about them) and contributed in some small way to his fortune. I haven't. I just re-read the posts on the "where has Micheal Moore Lied" thread. I'm sensing, what's the technical term, "Flip-Floppery?" Sense what you like. I have not seen a single Moore movie. I sense that a lot of the whiners haven't actually seen his movies either, since when challenged they had a very hard time coming up with actual examples of Moore's "lies". No. It's because he manipulates scenes in an obviously unethical way as to create "facts" or connections (particularly to create the appearance of cause and effect or guilt by association) that are false or misleading. Additionally, he uses his own commentary to sell his lies. It's funny how you continually defend him although you really don't know what you're talking about. No one is defending anyone, what in particular does he say that you feel is fabrication? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lucky... 0 #73 October 19, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote It amazes me that all you righties have apparently watched his movies (you know SO much about them) and contributed in some small way to his fortune. I haven't. I just re-read the posts on the "where has Micheal Moore Lied" thread. I'm sensing, what's the technical term, "Flip-Floppery?" Sense what you like. I have not seen a single Moore movie. I sense that a lot of the whiners haven't actually seen his movies either, since when challenged they had a very hard time coming up with actual examples of Moore's "lies". I'm also sensing that you haven't seen "Micheal Moore Hates America" either. Correct. I have no intention of seeing any of Moore's movies, or any movies about him. Well, I'm glad that this has been established. To get you up to speed "Micheal Moore Hates America" is a guy buy the name of Micheal Wilson going around and re-interviewing the people from previous MM movies and setting the record straight. When watching this movie back to back with other movies such as "F 9/11" and seeing how badly the truth has been twisted. I strongly suggest watching these movies before posting stuff like... Quote Sense what you like. I have not seen a single Moore movie. I sense that a lot of the whiners haven't actually seen his movies either, since when challenged they had a very hard time coming up with actual examples of Moore's "lies". Moore is a liar and a manipulator and if you have seen the movies you would know that. Examples? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
