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Actulally I have listened to him for over 10 years. This must give you the excuse needed to make a PA.
And what I do is telling
You've been listening to Limbaugh for 10 years!!! You must be so proud of yourself. I proud that I'm a big boy now and can think for myself.
Yeah but you are letting your pants droop really low so that your huggies show "Gangsta Style"
skymiles 3
You've been listening to Limbaugh for 10 years!!! You must be so proud of yourself. I proud that I'm a big boy now and can think for myself.
Yeah but you are letting your pants droop really low so that your huggies show "Gangsta Style"
Right on dude. But don't mess with me, I'll fuck you up.
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Turnabout?
You are wrong about the comments and that is the truth. You want sooooooooo bad for that not to be the case
It is fun watching you all keep up with the lie
Oh, if only emoticons were arguments, you might actually be able to persuade the rest of us that we didn't see, hear, and read what he said. I've gotta hand it to you. You're a fighter.
You are indeed brave sir knight
Only when I know I am right!
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
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Actulally I have listened to him for over 10 years. This must give you the excuse needed to make a PA.
And what I do is telling
You've been listening to Limbaugh for 10 years!!! You must be so proud of yourself. I proud that I'm a big boy now and can think for myself.
Nice oft repeatd talking point (and PA by the way And you tell me I cant think for myself!!) And the claim you just made is original how????
I love the original posts on this site and the self proclaimed know it all attitude projected but them "America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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Only when I know I am right!
Darn, you missed the cue. You're supposed to reply with
"I AM INVINCIBLE!!!!"
or
"Ok, we'll call it a draw. Oh, runnin' away eh!".
rushmc 23
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Darn, you missed the cue. You're supposed to reply with
"I AM INVINCIBLE!!!!"
or
"Ok, we'll call it a draw. Oh, runnin' away eh!".
I did not click you link. I was confident it was nothing on topic. So your comment is still inside to you and.............
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
kallend 2,148
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Darn, you missed the cue. You're supposed to reply with
"I AM INVINCIBLE!!!!"
or
"Ok, we'll call it a draw. Oh, runnin' away eh!".
At least he isn't a Scot with an outrageous French accent.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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At least he isn't a Scot with an outrageous French accent.
Fetchez la vache
rushmc 23
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At least he isn't a Scot with an outrageous French accent.
Fetchez la vache
"please come back so I may taunt you again"
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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At least he isn't a Scot with an outrageous French accent.
Fetchez la vache
"please come back so I may taunt you again"
Be warned. I'm ready for you.
Bovine Trebuchet
rushmc 23
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At least he isn't a Scot with an outrageous French accent.
Fetchez la vache
"please come back so I may taunt you again"
Be warned. I'm ready for you.
Bovine Trebuchet
Alright, you win"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Quotethere are few notable posters on here that would infer Dan is lying, of course they will not endeavor to say it to his face though.
Sitting in an office in CONUS gives one far more insight than being there and doing quite a bit more than the Captains who are saying such.
Dan did the deed, the Captains are mere administrators for the most part.
How the hell did I get dragged into this?!?!
Here I am sitting in the middle of nowhere wondering why to this day the Army can't figure out that towards the end of a soldiers deployment you should find a way to get them home in a timely manner and my words are being used in someone elses argument. Come up with your own kick ass rants people, I do
Man, looking through this post, everyone is so angry, I'm looking forward to getting home just so I can be angry about stuff too, THIS IS AWESOME.
History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower
--Dwight D. Eisenhower
Gawain 0
Quote>Just for the heck of it would you provide the source for this "story" please?
A letter to the editor of the WaPo by:
Jason Blindauer (served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005)
Elizabeth Bostwick (served in Salah Ad Din and An Najaf in 2004)
Jeffrey Bouldin (served in Al Anbar, Baghdad and Ninevah in 2006)
Jason Bugajski (served in Diyala in 2004)
Anton Kemps (served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005)
Kristy (Luken) McCormick (served in Ninevah in 2003)
Luis Carlos Montalván (served in Anbar, Baghdad and Nineveh in 2003 and 2005)
William Murphy (served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005)
Josh Rizzo (served in Baghdad in 2006)
William "Jamie" Ruehl (served in Nineveh in 2004)
Gregg Tharp (served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005)
Gary Williams (served in Baghdad in 2003)
I searched the "Letters to the Editor" on www.washingtonpost.com and on this page, listing "previous" letters 16 OCT 2007, there is no listing for this letter: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/linkset/2005/03/24/LI2005032402345_1.html
I did find a syndication here: http://www.addisonindependent.com/?q=node/765
Thing is, I would like to know which units, and jobs these O3s held. Unless they were in a division staff position of sorts, they don't have a real "big picture" view and if they're at the company level, they know less about what's going on, on the ground, than a PFC.
Then, if I knew that, I would really like to know which of them, if any, were part of an infantry unit.
I found another forum where someone looked through the AKO global directory, and here's what he found:
http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?cmd=print&id=670798
QuoteChrisG, a active duty Major with experience in Iraq has a few comments on these 12:Ok, since they use their names and ranks, I had to check Army Knowledge Online to see how many are actually IN the Armed Forces. The amount of phoney soldiers the left rolls out makes me question everything. Here is what I found.
Jason Blindauer: O-3, IRR (Individual Ready Reserve)
Elizabeth Bostwick: O-3, IRR
Jeffrey Bouldin: O-3, IRR
Jason Bugajski: DoD Contractor
Anton Kemps: COL, AR Reserves (No captains with this name)
Kristy (Luken) McCormick: No record on AKO
Luis Carlos Montalván: IRR
William Murphy: (four: 2xCPTs and 2xMajors): All either Guard, Reserve, or retired
Josh Rizzo: O-3, IRR (Record Incomplete on AKO)
William "Jamie" Ruehl: No record on AKO
Gregg Tharp: No record on AKO
Gary Williams: One CPT (O-3) in the National Guard, 2x Maj (O-4) one retired, one in Reserves
So most are IRR, a FEW are NG or Reserves, and some have no record on AKO. One is only listed as a contractor.
Ok, this is from an active duty major (me) who was in Iraq in 2007 and works closely with the reconstruction effort.
Let us take a look at their statements:
“Many roads, bridges, schools and hospitals are in deplorable condition.”
Most roads in the M.E. are just above goat-trails. However much work has been done since and many roads are in fairly good conditions. Urban areas are much better than rural areas for roads, but where are they not?
“Fewer people have access to drinking water or sewage systems than before the war.”
I am sick and tired of this lie. A lot of surface water in Iraq is polluted beyond belief by chemical agents (Hey leftists, guess WHAT chemicals! Common, guess. I’ll help. One is mustard and not what you put on tofu hotdogs. You can keep guessing. Try thinking of chemicals with a VX or a GB in them). Now that said, hundreds of wells have been dug. Water treatment plants have been erected. NOT repaired, erected. Saddam used water to keep his serfs in line. Most of these people NEVER HAD RUNNING WATER. Far more do now.
“And Baghdad is averaging less than eight hours of electricity a day.”
Wow, another whopper that was partially true 3 years ago. In 2007, Baghdad is lit up all night. Several power stations are old and belch out heavy pollution, but there are power stations. Like water, Saddam used electricity as a means of control. Unfortunately, power lines are easy targets for those wanting the world to live in the 7th century.
Anyway....
So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!
sv3n 0
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/15/AR2007101500841.html
Article....again.
Article....again.
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The Real Iraq We Knew
By 12 former Army captains
Tuesday, October 16, 2007; 12:00 AM
Today marks five years since the authorization of military force in Iraq, setting Operation Iraqi Freedom in motion. Five years on, the Iraq war is as undermanned and under-resourced as it was from the start. And, five years on, Iraq is in shambles.
As Army captains who served in Baghdad and beyond, we've seen the corruption and the sectarian division. We understand what it's like to be stretched too thin. And we know when it's time to get out.
What does Iraq look like on the ground? It's certainly far from being a modern, self-sustaining country. Many roads, bridges, schools and hospitals are in deplorable condition. Fewer people have access to drinking water or sewage systems than before the war. And Baghdad is averaging less than eight hours of electricity a day.
Iraq's institutional infrastructure, too, is sorely wanting. Even if the Iraqis wanted to work together and accept the national identity foisted upon them in 1920s, the ministries do not have enough trained administrators or technicians to coordinate themselves. At the local level, most communities are still controlled by the same autocratic sheiks that ruled under Saddam. There is no reliable postal system. No effective banking system. No registration system to monitor the population and its needs.
The inability to govern is exacerbated at all levels by widespread corruption. Transparency International ranks Iraq as one of the most corrupt countries in the world. And, indeed, many of us witnessed the exploitation of U.S. tax dollars by Iraqi officials and military officers. Sabotage and graft have had a particularly deleterious impact on Iraq's oil industry, which still fails to produce the revenue that Pentagon war planners hoped would pay for Iraq's reconstruction. Yet holding people accountable has proved difficult. The first commissioner of a panel charged with preventing and investigating corruption resigned last month, citing pressure from the government and threats on his life.
Against this backdrop, the U.S. military has been trying in vain to hold the country together. Even with "the surge," we simply do not have enough soldiers and marines to meet the professed goals of clearing areas from insurgent control, holding them securely and building sustainable institutions. Though temporary reinforcing operations in places like Fallujah, An Najaf, Tal Afar, and now Baghdad may brief well on PowerPoint presentations, in practice they just push insurgents to another spot on the map and often strengthen the insurgents' cause by harassing locals to a point of swayed allegiances. Millions of Iraqis correctly recognize these actions for what they are and vote with their feet -- moving within Iraq or leaving the country entirely. Still, our colonels and generals keep holding on to flawed concepts.
U.S. forces, responsible for too many objectives and too much "battle space," are vulnerable targets. The sad inevitability of a protracted draw-down is further escalation of attacks -- on U.S. troops, civilian leaders and advisory teams. They would also no doubt get caught in the crossfire of the imminent Iraqi civil war.
Iraqi security forces would not be able to salvage the situation. Even if all the Iraqi military and police were properly trained, equipped and truly committed, their 346,000 personnel would be too few. As it is, Iraqi soldiers quit at will. The police are effectively controlled by militias. And, again, corruption is debilitating. U.S. tax dollars enrich self-serving generals and support the very elements that will battle each other after we're gone.
This is Operation Iraqi Freedom and the reality we experienced. This is what we tried to communicate up the chain of command. This is either what did not get passed on to our civilian leadership or what our civilian leaders chose to ignore. While our generals pursue a strategy dependent on peace breaking out, the Iraqis prepare for their war -- and our servicemen and women, and their families, continue to suffer.
There is one way we might be able to succeed in Iraq. To continue an operation of this intensity and duration, we would have to abandon our volunteer military for compulsory service. Short of that, our best option is to leave Iraq immediately. A scaled withdrawal will not prevent a civil war, and it will spend more blood and treasure on a losing proposition.
America, it has been five years. It's time to make a choice.
This column was written by 12 former Army captains: Jason Blindauer served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005. Elizabeth Bostwick served in Salah Ad Din and An Najaf in 2004. Jeffrey Bouldin served in Al Anbar, Baghdad and Ninevah in 2006. Jason Bugajski served in Diyala in 2004. Anton Kemps served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005. Kristy (Luken) McCormick served in Ninevah in 2003. Luis Carlos Montalván served in Anbar, Baghdad and Nineveh in 2003 and 2005. William Murphy served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005. Josh Rizzo served in Baghdad in 2006. William "Jamie" Ruehl served in Nineveh in 2004. Gregg Tharp served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005. Gary Williams served in Baghdad in 2003.
...and you're in violation of your face!
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QuoteSource: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/15/AR2007101500841.html
Article....again.Quote
The Real Iraq We Knew
By 12 former Army captains
Tuesday, October 16, 2007; 12:00 AM
Today marks five years since the authorization of military force in Iraq, setting Operation Iraqi Freedom in motion. Five years on, the Iraq war is as undermanned and under-resourced as it was from the start. And, five years on, Iraq is in shambles.
As Army captains who served in Baghdad and beyond, we've seen the corruption and the sectarian division. We understand what it's like to be stretched too thin. And we know when it's time to get out.
What does Iraq look like on the ground? It's certainly far from being a modern, self-sustaining country. Many roads, bridges, schools and hospitals are in deplorable condition. Fewer people have access to drinking water or sewage systems than before the war. And Baghdad is averaging less than eight hours of electricity a day.
Iraq's institutional infrastructure, too, is sorely wanting. Even if the Iraqis wanted to work together and accept the national identity foisted upon them in 1920s, the ministries do not have enough trained administrators or technicians to coordinate themselves. At the local level, most communities are still controlled by the same autocratic sheiks that ruled under Saddam. There is no reliable postal system. No effective banking system. No registration system to monitor the population and its needs.
The inability to govern is exacerbated at all levels by widespread corruption. Transparency International ranks Iraq as one of the most corrupt countries in the world. And, indeed, many of us witnessed the exploitation of U.S. tax dollars by Iraqi officials and military officers. Sabotage and graft have had a particularly deleterious impact on Iraq's oil industry, which still fails to produce the revenue that Pentagon war planners hoped would pay for Iraq's reconstruction. Yet holding people accountable has proved difficult. The first commissioner of a panel charged with preventing and investigating corruption resigned last month, citing pressure from the government and threats on his life.
Against this backdrop, the U.S. military has been trying in vain to hold the country together. Even with "the surge," we simply do not have enough soldiers and marines to meet the professed goals of clearing areas from insurgent control, holding them securely and building sustainable institutions. Though temporary reinforcing operations in places like Fallujah, An Najaf, Tal Afar, and now Baghdad may brief well on PowerPoint presentations, in practice they just push insurgents to another spot on the map and often strengthen the insurgents' cause by harassing locals to a point of swayed allegiances. Millions of Iraqis correctly recognize these actions for what they are and vote with their feet -- moving within Iraq or leaving the country entirely. Still, our colonels and generals keep holding on to flawed concepts.
U.S. forces, responsible for too many objectives and too much "battle space," are vulnerable targets. The sad inevitability of a protracted draw-down is further escalation of attacks -- on U.S. troops, civilian leaders and advisory teams. They would also no doubt get caught in the crossfire of the imminent Iraqi civil war.
Iraqi security forces would not be able to salvage the situation. Even if all the Iraqi military and police were properly trained, equipped and truly committed, their 346,000 personnel would be too few. As it is, Iraqi soldiers quit at will. The police are effectively controlled by militias. And, again, corruption is debilitating. U.S. tax dollars enrich self-serving generals and support the very elements that will battle each other after we're gone.
This is Operation Iraqi Freedom and the reality we experienced. This is what we tried to communicate up the chain of command. This is either what did not get passed on to our civilian leadership or what our civilian leaders chose to ignore. While our generals pursue a strategy dependent on peace breaking out, the Iraqis prepare for their war -- and our servicemen and women, and their families, continue to suffer.
There is one way we might be able to succeed in Iraq. To continue an operation of this intensity and duration, we would have to abandon our volunteer military for compulsory service. Short of that, our best option is to leave Iraq immediately. A scaled withdrawal will not prevent a civil war, and it will spend more blood and treasure on a losing proposition.
America, it has been five years. It's time to make a choice.
This column was written by 12 former Army captains: Jason Blindauer served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005. Elizabeth Bostwick served in Salah Ad Din and An Najaf in 2004. Jeffrey Bouldin served in Al Anbar, Baghdad and Ninevah in 2006. Jason Bugajski served in Diyala in 2004. Anton Kemps served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005. Kristy (Luken) McCormick served in Ninevah in 2003. Luis Carlos Montalván served in Anbar, Baghdad and Nineveh in 2003 and 2005. William Murphy served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005. Josh Rizzo served in Baghdad in 2006. William "Jamie" Ruehl served in Nineveh in 2004. Gregg Tharp served in Babil and Baghdad in 2003 and 2005. Gary Williams served in Baghdad in 2003.
Once YOU understand that the Dems have so fully invested themselves in defeat they can not afford, pollitically, any good news (or worse yet) and improving condition in Irag, the truth will avail itself to you.
Thanks for the true update Garwin and most of all, I thank you for your service to US. Those of you who serve are the great people of this country. Thank You
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Amazon 7
QuoteThanks for the true update Garwin and most of all, I thank you for your service to US. Those of you who serve are the great people of this country. Thank You
You thank those who have serverd.. just not those who HAVE served and do not agree with the outcomes of the war....only if they agree with you will you and your ilk thank them....
Starting to sound more and more like my war 35 years ago. I guess the right did not learn anything from that war....here we are 35 years later making the same mistake again......perhaps because the people running this little adventure spent so much time avoiding that war.... FUCK THE CHICKENHAWKS.
I hope the lot of them BURN in hell.
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And just like 35 years ago, the political Left has no regard for the soldiers that don't spout their philosophy.
Oddly enough, the same media that trumpeted any increase in military or civilian deaths across the airwaves is strangely quiet about the recent military successes in Iraq....
Oddly enough, the same media that trumpeted any increase in military or civilian deaths across the airwaves is strangely quiet about the recent military successes in Iraq....
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
Amazon 7
I doubt if they would have sent our soldiers into harms way for corporate profits...I seem to recall nearly universal support for going to war against the people who attacked us... AND we had the support of the whole world....
I was under the impression that is what we use our military for...to protect the american people..by going somewherwe and blowing shit up but like every job he has had Mr Bush did not follow thru and finish the jog in Afghanistan.
Mr Bush Claimed he would not nation build.....yet here we are 7 years later and that is just what he has assigned to our troops..trying to build a nation out of a third world shit hole. If the right wants to do that.. go do it yourselves and let our military do what they are good at...blowing shit up
I was under the impression that is what we use our military for...to protect the american people..by going somewherwe and blowing shit up but like every job he has had Mr Bush did not follow thru and finish the jog in Afghanistan.
Mr Bush Claimed he would not nation build.....yet here we are 7 years later and that is just what he has assigned to our troops..trying to build a nation out of a third world shit hole. If the right wants to do that.. go do it yourselves and let our military do what they are good at...blowing shit up
nerdgirl 0
I went to the link. Did you repeat the AKO search yourself?
The assertions w/r/t HD, GB & VX in the water are more interesting and don't support "ChrisG's" credibility from a programmatic and a technical perspective (hydrolysis, degradation & persistence of less than pure HD, GB, & VX.)
I know there are at least a *few* M272 water testing kits in Iraq. (The adequacy of that kit is a whole nother issue.)
As to who has the "big" picture view: I agree that a big picture view is not going to come from the guy who is the literal boots on the ground with the more visceral, day-to-day view. Is *today's* PFC or company commander in a better position to provide that is a debate that I'd would love to listen to. A range of perspectives are incredibly valuable and taking both into account provides a more vivid data set on which to make analysis. I want all views (w/supporting data or acknowledgement of subjectivity) not just the 'narrow & deep' but also the 'wide.' And, perhaps, would not the DIA folks doing intelligence analysis have a critical view of the 'wide' perspective?
Do you -- or does anyone -- want to argue that because a solder is Reserves, NG, IRR, or has the left the service (retired or separated) for a more lucrative contractor job, that the soldier's views are no longer valid? Aren't all active duty, active AR, and activated IRR & NG supposed to wear the same 'proverbial' green?
VR/Marg
Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying
The assertions w/r/t HD, GB & VX in the water are more interesting and don't support "ChrisG's" credibility from a programmatic and a technical perspective (hydrolysis, degradation & persistence of less than pure HD, GB, & VX.)
I know there are at least a *few* M272 water testing kits in Iraq. (The adequacy of that kit is a whole nother issue.)
As to who has the "big" picture view: I agree that a big picture view is not going to come from the guy who is the literal boots on the ground with the more visceral, day-to-day view. Is *today's* PFC or company commander in a better position to provide that is a debate that I'd would love to listen to. A range of perspectives are incredibly valuable and taking both into account provides a more vivid data set on which to make analysis. I want all views (w/supporting data or acknowledgement of subjectivity) not just the 'narrow & deep' but also the 'wide.' And, perhaps, would not the DIA folks doing intelligence analysis have a critical view of the 'wide' perspective?
Do you -- or does anyone -- want to argue that because a solder is Reserves, NG, IRR, or has the left the service (retired or separated) for a more lucrative contractor job, that the soldier's views are no longer valid? Aren't all active duty, active AR, and activated IRR & NG supposed to wear the same 'proverbial' green?
VR/Marg
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I found another forum where someone looked through the AKO global directory, and here's what he found:
http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?cmd=print&id=670798
***ChrisG, a active duty Major with experience in Iraq has a few comments on these 12
The amount of phoney soldiers the left rolls out makes me question everything. Here is what I found.
I am sick and tired of this lie. A lot of surface water in Iraq is polluted beyond belief by chemical agents (Hey leftists, guess WHAT chemicals! Common, guess. I’ll help. One is mustard and not what you put on tofu hotdogs. You can keep guessing. Try thinking of chemicals with a VX or a GB in them).
Act as if everything you do matters, while laughing at yourself for thinking anything you do matters.
Tibetan Buddhist saying
Actulally I have listened to him for over 10 years. This must give you the excuse needed to make a PA.
And what I do is telling
You've been listening to Limbaugh for 10 years!!! You must be so proud of yourself. I proud that I'm a big boy now and can think for myself.