Tell Me How Michael Moore is Wrong, How He Lied.

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The last thread about Coulter prompted me to start this. I'm not advocating him, nor will I defend him. This is not intended to be a bashing session.

I want to know exactly what he lied about.

I'm just looking for anyone with concrete information about this to pipe in. If you know specifically how he got it wrong (in any movie) please let me hear it......

T.I.N.S.

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It'd be like cataloguing the lies in West Side Story. No, it is not a lie that a white guy would fall in love with a white woman acting like a Puerto Rican. It may, indeed, happen quite often. But the truth may be lost in other things that just don't work, tarting with the idea that ANYONE would be afraid of gangs of singing, dancing, strutting and snapping dudes in pompadours.

In fact, similarly unbelieveable is Grease. In my whole life, I have never personally witnessed a group of kids break out in choreographed dance and improvisation song. I tried it once, but after the 72 hour hold I thought, "Man. That sucked."

Such is the case with any Michael Moore film. Think "This is Spinal Tap." Yes, that really is a Coral Electric Sitar that Nigel is using to solo on Listen to the Flower People. And studying the films, it proves that Nigel, Derek and David are actually playing the instruments.

Spinal Tap, therefore, is a real band! But where does the reality start and the fantasy end? There was no Festival on the Isle of Lucy. And Nigel's amp DID go to eleven.

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It'd be like cataloguing the lies in West Side Story. No, it is not a lie that a white guy would fall in love with a white woman acting like a Puerto Rican. It may, indeed, happen quite often. But the truth may be lost in other things that just don't work, tarting with the idea that ANYONE would be afraid of gangs of singing, dancing, strutting and snapping dudes in pompadours.

In fact, similarly unbelieveable is Grease. In my whole life, I have never personally witnessed a group of kids break out in choreographed dance and improvisation song. I tried it once, but after the 72 hour hold I thought, "Man. That sucked."

Such is the case with any Michael Moore film. Think "This is Spinal Tap." Yes, that really is a Coral Electric Sitar that Nigel is using to solo on Listen to the Flower People. And studying the films, it proves that Nigel, Derek and David are actually playing the instruments.

Spinal Tap, therefore, is a real band! But where does the reality start and the fantasy end? There was no Festival on the Isle of Lucy. And Nigel's amp DID go to eleven.

How about answering the question?

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How about answering the question?

He's a lawyer. How do you expect him to maintain his skills without practice?

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It'd be like cataloguing the lies in West Side Story. No, it is not a lie that a white guy would fall in love with a white woman acting like a Puerto Rican. It may, indeed, happen quite often. But the truth may be lost in other things that just don't work, tarting with the idea that ANYONE would be afraid of gangs of singing, dancing, strutting and snapping dudes in pompadours.

In fact, similarly unbelieveable is Grease. In my whole life, I have never personally witnessed a group of kids break out in choreographed dance and improvisation song. I tried it once, but after the 72 hour hold I thought, "Man. That sucked."

Such is the case with any Michael Moore film. Think "This is Spinal Tap." Yes, that really is a Coral Electric Sitar that Nigel is using to solo on Listen to the Flower People. And studying the films, it proves that Nigel, Derek and David are actually playing the instruments.

Spinal Tap, therefore, is a real band! But where does the reality start and the fantasy end? There was no Festival on the Isle of Lucy. And Nigel's amp DID go to eleven.

How about answering the question?

One more kallend one liner. Atta boy!

and he is right. Where the hell do you start His bs is now legendary and he did not do himself any favores with sicko. did you see the undercover video from down in cuba.

I await your next one liner

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It'd be like cataloguing the lies in West Side Story. No, it is not a lie that a white guy would fall in love with a white woman acting like a Puerto Rican. It may, indeed, happen quite often. But the truth may be lost in other things that just don't work, tarting with the idea that ANYONE would be afraid of gangs of singing, dancing, strutting and snapping dudes in pompadours.

In fact, similarly unbelieveable is Grease. In my whole life, I have never personally witnessed a group of kids break out in choreographed dance and improvisation song. I tried it once, but after the 72 hour hold I thought, "Man. That sucked."

Such is the case with any Michael Moore film. Think "This is Spinal Tap." Yes, that really is a Coral Electric Sitar that Nigel is using to solo on Listen to the Flower People. And studying the films, it proves that Nigel, Derek and David are actually playing the instruments.

Spinal Tap, therefore, is a real band! But where does the reality start and the fantasy end? There was no Festival on the Isle of Lucy. And Nigel's amp DID go to eleven.

How about answering the question?

One more kallend one liner. Atta boy!

and he is right. Where the hell do you start His bs is now legendary and he did not do himself any favores with sicko. did you see the undercover video from down in cuba.

I await your next one liner

No, I think Kallend is right on....................the O.P. specifically asked for direct instances where he was wrong and everybody so far has gone off on their own analysis of how wrong they think his movies are.

As per your sicko reply................elaborate a little and give some real answers.

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[lawrocket 3]

Okay. The images of weeping children, then cut to Heston holding a musket and saying the "from my cold, dead hands."

Then the bit about please for the NRA not to hold its meeting in Denver that was scheduled years previously, and would occur a couple of weeks after the incident.

Then cut STRIGHT to the speech by Heston about Webb saying that Denver doesn't want the NRA there, and Heston saying "We're already here."

Of course, he spliced together different sentences from different parts of the speech as one paragraph. Each splice can be identified by a spliced in camera pan or shot of another image. This takes away the CONTEXT of what he said.

When these events are put together in the way that they are, they lead to inferences. Such as the inference that Heston gave that speech in Denver days after the shooting. But it did not happen that way.

Did Moore point out that only the Shareholders' meeting occurred? That all of the other planned events at the NRA meeting were canceled? No. It would not make the NRA out to be ruthless if he told THE WHOLE STORY.

There are lies of commission and lies of Omission. Failure to tell the whole story is a pretty bad thing. If he has to omit things to make his point, then his point is without merit.

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[kallend 2,117]

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Okay. The images of weeping children, then cut to Heston holding a musket and saying the "from my cold, dead hands."

Then the bit about please for the NRA not to hold its meeting in Denver that was scheduled years previously, and would occur a couple of weeks after the incident.

Then cut STRIGHT to the speech by Heston about Webb saying that Denver doesn't want the NRA there, and Heston saying "We're already here."

Of course, he spliced together different sentences from different parts of the speech as one paragraph. Each splice can be identified by a spliced in camera pan or shot of another image. This takes away the CONTEXT of what he said.

When these events are put together in the way that they are, they lead to inferences. Such as the inference that Heston gave that speech in Denver days after the shooting. But it did not happen that way.

Did Moore point out that only the Shareholders' meeting occurred? That all of the other planned events at the NRA meeting were canceled? No. It would not make the NRA out to be ruthless if he told THE WHOLE STORY.

There are lies of commission and lies of Omission. Failure to tell the whole story is a pretty bad thing. If he has to omit things to make his point, then his point is without merit.

Which scenes did he fabricate? Someone drawing an incorrect inference does not constitute a lie. I mean, lawyers lead juries to do that every day.

Compared with Bush's statements on Iraq and the size of the deficit, Moore is a shining beacon of truth.

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[lawrocket 3]

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drawing a lie

I resent your implication that I just "drew a lie" professor. You just called me a liar for pointing this out? Are you calling me a liar?

Did you say "drawing" in response to my post? Did you write "a lie" in response to my post? I see "drawing" and I see "a lie." I'll put them together to prove my point.

PEOPLE! KALLEND JUST CALLED ME A LIAR!

ITS RIGHT THERE IN HIS POST. THIS IS INTOLERABLE.




A little example of how creative editing can be used to make a point that just isn't there.

Professor Kallend did not call me a liar. I just edited his post to show that he did.

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[kallend 2,117]

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drawing a lie

I resent your implication that I just "drew a lie" professor. You just called me a liar for pointing this out? Are you calling me a liar?

Did you say "drawing" in response to my post? Did you write "a lie" in response to my post? I see "drawing" and I see "a lie." I'll put them together to prove my point.

PEOPLE! KALLEND JUST CALLED ME A LIAR!

ITS RIGHT THERE IN HIS POST. THIS IS INTOLERABLE.




A little example of how creative editing can be used to make a point that just isn't there.

Professor Kallend did not call me a liar. I just edited his post to show that he did.

Caution - lawyer at work.

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Professor Kallend did not call me a liar. I just edited his post to show that he did.

Caution - lawyer at work.

Caution - tenured professor at work.

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http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

First hit on google "bowling for columbine lies"

second hit http://www.moreexposed.com/"

That should be enough if your question was honest.

The line between documentary and propoganda film is pretty fuzzy. They will always take liberties to promote their viewpoint. But perhaps less fuzzy with him. He'll outright lie.

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Forgot about FahrenHYPE 9/11, a whole other 'documentary film' covering Moore's version of 9/11.

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Caution - lawyer at work.

Spoken like someone who's pissed he didn't hire a better divorce attorney...

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Professor Kallend did not call me a liar. I just edited his post to show that he did.

Caution - lawyer at work.

Caution - tenured professor at work.

Heheheh....All the paycheck, 1/3 the work.

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

[Gato 0]

So far, this has been a mostly unproductive thread.

Does anyone have any other instances of blatant lies? A lot of conservatives act as if he's the antichrist, but so far, I haven't been convinced he's any better than Mel Gibson.

Oh my god, did I just say that?

Shame on me and my bleeding heart liberal attitude!

Seriously, is the Charlton Heston/NRA thing all you've got? I think you have about 3.8 more hours of footage to debunk.

T.I.N.S.

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That should be enough if your question was honest.

So the answer was no, I guess.

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It's bad form to quote yourself, sir.

T.I.N.S.

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Also, sir, if my question were not honest, I'd be waiting to pounce on everything you've posted, not to mention your misspelled clicky (Moreexposed).

I was looking for actual answers. Please don't assume everyone who asks these questions is a troll, or waiting to ambush you. I'm not, and I wasn't.

T.I.N.S.

[kelpdiver 2]

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It's bad form to quote yourself, sir.

Well, I can't wait for Michael Moore to misquote me, can I?

[DZJ 0]

This bit strikes me as sufficiently dishonest to be called a lie:

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Bowling shows footage of a B-52 on display at the Air Force Academy, while Moore scornfully intones that the plaque under it "proudly proclaims that the plane killed Vietnamese people on Christmas Eve of 1972."

The plaque actually reads that "Flying out of Utapao Royal Thai Naval Airfield in southeast Thailand, the crew of 'Diamond Lil' shot down a MIG northeast of Hanoi during 'Linebacker II' action on Christmas eve 1972." This is pretty mild compared to the rest of Bowling, but the viewer can't even trust Moore to honestly read a monument.

(As Spinsanity notes, Moore goes even farther in his add-on DVD. There, he tells us, "And they've got a plaque on there proudly proclaiming that this bomber, this B-52, killed thousands upon thousands of Vietnamese -- innocent civilians.")

From http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

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Professor Kallend did not call me a liar. I just edited his post to show that he did.

Caution - lawyer at work.

Caution - tenured professor at work.

Heheheh....All the paycheck, 1/3 the work.

"Wow!! You mean that some people are actually smarter than others?? I never would have guessed.

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Professor Kallend did not call me a liar. I just edited his post to show that he did.

Caution - lawyer at work.

Caution - tenured professor at work.

Heheheh....All the paycheck, 1/3 the work.

"Wow!! You mean that some people are actually smarter than others?? Most all I know are (at least) more honest than you. Being "smarter" is subjectiveI never would have guessed.

"Some people actually make good decisions that pay off while others make poor decisions?? I am Shocked.", Thanatos340, DZ.COM, today

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

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So far, this has been a mostly unproductive thread.

I concur, and I said why in my first post. I've got a job, wife and kids, and the time it would take is too draining. I'd rather point out the obvious, like Michael Moore makes a fortune off of it.

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