Al Gore and the UN Awarded the Nobel Peace Prize

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071012/ap_on_re_eu/nobel_peace

So, if I spew a bunch of disputed information about the environment, that will earn me a peace prize?

"Awareness" does not nurture peace in my view. Being a beacon or symbol for freedom and democracy would seem to be a more worthy cause for "peace" recognition.

Congratulations. For Mr. Gore, he's on a roll apparently. The UN will stroke itself silly over this too. The halls of its offices will bear the wafts of its own gas for weeks...

The fact that a war criminal like Henry Kissinger won the Nobel Peace Prize should render the award completely meaningless and unworthy of any discussion at all.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

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How about whinning about ALL of the corporate jets that CEO's and the rich fly around in.....

THAT'S WHAT AL GORE AND THE GREEN MOVEMENT SHOULD BE DOING IF THEY WERE HONEST! AND THEY WOULD IF AL GORE WASN'T LIVING IN A PRIVATE JET!

As I posted, the people (like me) who are railing on Gore about using a private jet DO NOT object to private jets any more than I object to consensual sex among adults. We villify Al Gore because he IS what he claims to despise! He is the living example of excess that is causing this planet to be destroyed.

So Jim Baker nails his secretary. Big deal, unless you MAKE YOUR LIVING PREACHING ABOUT FAMILY VALUES.

So Al Gore flies a private jet. Big deal, UNLESS YOU MAKE YOUR LIVING VILLIFYING EXCESS USE OF ENERGY.

Jeanne, answer my question. If everyone lived like Al Gore, would th environment suffer? If so, he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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does he still have a security detail because of his former position??

I dunno. My guess is that there are other solutions besides a private jet. If he was truly interested in the environment, perhaps a section of a commercial airliner would be okay.

But nope, he gets a Gulfstream. Seating for 19. And paid for by someone else.

It's the "DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO" mentality that is the rought part. Is Gore's use of this private jet "Necessary?" No way.

Jeanne, what I am writing is truly an "Inconvenient Truth." It's just not convenient for Gore to do things in ways other that private jet - first class all the way.

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The founders of this country understood the problems of having a true democracy, which is the reason why the electoral college was designed. It was the reason why we have a republic of elected representatives.

Yup it ensures that the power elite can reverse anything that the PEOPLE actually vote for

Yep. Like slavery, Jim Crow, etc...

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Yep. One of the problems of a democracy.

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How about whinning about ALL of the corporate jets that CEO's and the rich fly around in.....

THAT'S WHAT AL GORE AND THE GREEN MOVEMENT SHOULD BE DOING IF THEY WERE HONEST! AND THEY WOULD IF AL GORE WASN'T LIVING IN A PRIVATE JET!

As I posted, the people (like me) who are railing on Gore about using a private jet DO NOT object to private jets any more than I object to consensual sex among adults. We villify Al Gore because he IS what he claims to despise! He is the living example of excess that is causing this planet to be destroyed.

So Jim Baker nails his secretary. Big deal, unless you MAKE YOUR LIVING PREACHING ABOUT FAMILY VALUES.

So Al Gore flies a private jet. Big deal, UNLESS YOU MAKE YOUR LIVING VILLIFYING EXCESS USE OF ENERGY.

Jeanne, answer my question. If everyone lived like Al Gore, would th environment suffer? If so, he is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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does he still have a security detail because of his former position??

I dunno. My guess is that there are other solutions besides a private jet. If he was truly interested in the environment, perhaps a section of a commercial airliner would be okay.

But nope, he gets a Gulfstream. Seating for 19. And paid for by someone else.

It's the "DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO" mentality that is the rought part. Is Gore's use of this private jet "Necessary?" No way.

Jeanne, what I am writing is truly an "Inconvenient Truth." It's just not convenient for Gore to do things in ways other that private jet - first class all the way.

Nobel Prize for LAWROCKET!

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The climate "experts" have predicted above average activity for the last two hurricane seasons, both of which have been relatively tame.

You might want to check with some of the folks south of our border. I'm willing to bet that two consecutive 160 mph storms don't fall into the "tame" category by their standards.

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Jeanne, what I am writing is truly an "Inconvenient Truth." It's just not convenient for Gore to do things in ways other that private jet - first class all the way.

No its an "Inconvienent Reality" that you and other right wingers will rail on about BECAUSE he is Al Gore and its the underlying guilt about your fuckup and his incompetence for the last 7 years would have been better had not the power elite in the Electoral college... REpublican Supreme Court suborned the will of the American People. Ok so he has made a lot of money by EARNING it but he is at least showing the way for over 30 years... If its a wealthy republican.. its ok for them to be anything they want to be in your eyes...even a total inbecile.. you will not point it out.

Sounds like you want all DEmocrats to be on commercial airliners and they have to as you call it walk the walk.. and the rich and powerful right wing can do as they want because they are against the fact that Global Warming is occuring and they cant even talk the talk let alone walk the walk.

I get it.. really.. its not happeniong.... So I am helping along GW myself.. BIG boat.. BIG TRUCK/// BIG wood stove just to PROVE it is...I can survive the consequences... and fuck all those who cant./


All this outpouring of right wing jealousy is some funny funny shit... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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Well, the rules are set up with an electoral college, and whomever wins the electoral vote gets the presidency.

The rules of baseball playoffs do not give the win to the team that scores the most runs in a series. It goes to wins and losses. Whether the Yankees won by a score of 19-8 (as they did in game 3) or by a score of 3-1 (as in game 2) the Yankess got 2 wins.

So whether Al Gore wins California by 1.3 million votes or by 50 votes, he got California and its 54 electoral votes. On the way to the 269 electoral votes needed. Those are the rules.

Not the popular vote. Not the number of states won. The votes of the electoral college are what decides the winner.

We have rules. We apply rules. Under the RULES - not the arbitrary whim of argument, Bush WON. Let us focus on the rules, and not on desires and feelings.

Yes..there are rules. Florida was botched. That specific election didnt follow rules. Gore got more than just the popular vote.

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No its an "Inconvienent Reality" that you and other right wingers will rail on about BECAUSE he is Al Gore and its the underlying guilt about your fuckup and his incompetence for the last 7 years would have been better had not the power elite in the Electoral college

Well, seeing as how I have never voted Republican in a presidential election I cannot exactly be blamed. RTepublicans are hypocrites, too, which is why I point out the Jimmy Swaggarts and Jim Bakers and Mark Foleys. Did you catch THAT part?

You have no problem pointing out Republican hypocricy. Nor do I. But my machine gun spreads through ALL hypocricy, even where I am the hypocrite.

I will RAIL ON INCESSABTLY and ANYONE who thinks that OTHERS should DO WHAT THEY SAY when THEY REFUSE TO DO IT THEMSELVES. It's why I won't make my son eat boiled spinach. I HATE BOILED SPINACH. And if he has to eat it, then I will, too.

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REpublican Supreme Court suborned the will of the American People.

No, 7-2 on one decision. A couple of Dem appointees agreed that the dems in Florida were trampling on equal protection in trying to get a Gore win. 5-4 on the other decision about the remedy. It turns out that the Florida supreme Court rewrote laws to help their guy and the SCOTUS stopped it. So the SCOTUS, in preventing cheating, was mean and partisan, I guess.

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Ok so he has made a lot of money by EARNING it but he is at least showing the way for over 30 years... If its a wealthy republican.. its ok for them to be anything they want to be in your eyes...even a total inbecile.. you will not point it out.

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Bullshit. Cunningham? Foley? All of em. I fucking sell them out and trash them. The wealthy? If they are being avaricious, then yes, I do. If they have gotten their money through sound business practices then I have no problem with them.

In fact, I respect guys like Larry Flynt, who says that he's nothign more than a smut peddler. See? That's honesty. There is ZERO hypocrisy in the guy. He is what he is. A wolf in wolf's clothing.

Note my posts about how a general rule is that dems have money scandals and republicans hav sex scandals, because both sides need to be hypocrites, and that's the best way.

Sounds like you want all DEmocrats to be on commercial airliners and they have to as you call it walk the walk

No. The ones who portray themselves as "green" and wag their tongues about "carbon footprints?" Yeah. Let them ride commercial. Or a train. Or a car. Something besides a vehicle that will pump 1000 pounds of CO2 per hour per passenger into the atmosphere so that they can have a quick and pleasing ride.

If they don't spew forth about excessive emissions and energy use, then I cannot accuse them of hypocrisy. Therein lies my issue with Gore - hypocrisy.

If he'd just come out of the closet and say, "I'm a capitalist. I always have been. I've made multimillion dollars with this scam of mine! Some of it is true, but, man, I LOVE THE SMELL OF JET A!" then I'd respect him as a shrewd businessman.


It is CLEAR to me that you KNOW that Al Gore is a hypocrite. You know it to be true, Jeanne. You have not defended his actions - only attacked the ones who say, "The Emperor Wears No Clothes."

And it is thoroughly dishonest of you to suggest that I do not attack Republicans. I actually resent it. I pride myself in maintaining my standards.

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Gore got more than just the popular vote.

Proof?

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The founding fathers felt that the ordinary unwashed schmoe was too fucking stupid to be trusted with something informed like electing a president.

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"A popular election in this case is radically vicious. The ignorance of the people would put it in the power of some one set of men dispersed through the Union, and acting in concert, to delude them into any appointment." -- Delegate Gerry, Constitutional Convention, July 25, 1787

Have you actually talked to the average "ordinary unwashed schmoe" lately?

Pull out a blank piece of paper and have them draw a map of the world; doesn't have to show every country, just the major continents will do. There's only seven of them, ought to be pretty flippin' easy to get the basic shapes and proportions; no?

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Yes..there are rules. Florida was botched. That specific election didnt follow rules. Gore got more than just the popular vote.

You're right. The press was announcing the final results before the Panhandle had finished voting.

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>If everyone behaved like Al Gore would our planet's environment be improved?

Nope. Just as if everyone behaved like Norman Borlaug (i.e. ate a lot and spent all their time in a lab, or directing other people in a lab) the world would be worse off.

So should he win the Nobel? Does saving over a billion people from starvation (because of the work you do, NOT because of the example you set or your personal habits) matter? Or is it all about how much someone consumes?

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Y'all do realize that it's not "UN Awarded," yes?

It's awarded by the Norwegians; the other Nobel prizes are awarded by the Swedes.

You are kidding, aren't you?

Uh, no ... the Nobel Foundation (http://nobelprize.org/) makes the awards. It's a privately run and privately funded organization. Very much the model of a free market organization.

His point was you incorrectly parsed the subject.

(Al Gore and the UN) Awarded the Nobel Prize.

It didn't say the UN gave the Nobel Prize to Gore. It said it was one of the two recipients.

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No. The ones who portray themselves as "green" and wag their tongues about "carbon footprints?" Yeah. Let them ride commercial. Or a train. Or a car. Something besides a vehicle that will pump 1000 pounds of CO2 per hour per passenger into the atmosphere so that they can have a quick and pleasing ride.

If they don't spew forth about excessive emissions and energy use, then I cannot accuse them of hypocrisy. Therein lies my issue with Gore - hypocrisy.

If he'd just come out of the closet and say, "I'm a capitalist. I always have been. I've made multimillion dollars with this scam of mine! Some of it is true, but, man, I LOVE THE SMELL OF JET A!" then I'd respect him as a shrewd businessman.


It is CLEAR to me that you KNOW that Al Gore is a hypocrite. You know it to be true, Jeanne. You have not defended his actions - only attacked the ones who say, "The Emperor Wears No Clothes."

And it is thoroughly dishonest of you to suggest that I do not attack Republicans. I actually resent it. I pride myself in maintaining my standards.

Now where did I put my hip waders.. its gettin really deep in here.

They do portray themselves as green and they are.. in the things they have fought for for YEARS.. and that does not jibe with right wing ideologs whjo want to deny anything is wrong.. SO you attack him as hypocritical.. wrong... its not in any way hypocritical.. could he use less of course... but WHY should he and his people have to when the opposition does not believe anything is happening anyway...

And I would think that all you good "capitalists" would know that "Time is money"

The Hypocrisy is making such a big tadoo over his supposed hypocrisy..( nice job comparing him to your right wing sexual deviants) the whole shoot the messenger because you abhor the truth in the message because of YOUR belief systems.

And as far as dishonest... DUDE.. you are on percentage supporting far more of the right wing agenda than you have EVER supported anything that approaches moderation.....so dont get all weepy on me now.
You still can get a Fox News Fair and Balanced Award

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No. The ones who portray themselves as "green" and wag their tongues about "carbon footprints?" Yeah. Let them ride commercial. Or a train. Or a car. Something besides a vehicle that will pump 1000 pounds of CO2 per hour per passenger into the atmosphere so that they can have a quick and pleasing ride.

If they don't spew forth about excessive emissions and energy use, then I cannot accuse them of hypocrisy. Therein lies my issue with Gore - hypocrisy.

If he'd just come out of the closet and say, "I'm a capitalist. I always have been. I've made multimillion dollars with this scam of mine! Some of it is true, but, man, I LOVE THE SMELL OF JET A!" then I'd respect him as a shrewd businessman.


It is CLEAR to me that you KNOW that Al Gore is a hypocrite. You know it to be true, Jeanne. You have not defended his actions - only attacked the ones who say, "The Emperor Wears No Clothes."

And it is thoroughly dishonest of you to suggest that I do not attack Republicans. I actually resent it. I pride myself in maintaining my standards.

Now where did I put my hip waders.. its gettin really deep in here.

They do portray themselves as green and they are.. in the things they have fought for for YEARS.. and that does not jibe with right wing ideologs whjo want to deny anything is wrong.. SO you attack him as hypocritical.. wrong... its not in any way hypocritical.. could he use less of course... but WHY should he and his people have to when the opposition does not believe anything is happening anyway...

And I would think that all you good "capitalists" would know that "Time is money"

The Hypocrisy is making such a big tadoo over his supposed hypocrisy..( nice job comparing him to your right wing sexual deviants) the whole shoot the messenger because you abhor the truth in the message because of YOUR belief systems.

And as far as dishonest... DUDE.. you are on percentage supporting far more of the right wing agenda than you have EVER supported anything that approaches moderation.....so dont get all weepy on me now.
You still can get a Fox News Fair and Balanced Award

wow jeanne, can you actually hear yourself? i mean really. you're all over the place here. you get the nobel prize for least coherent argument.

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Y'all do realize that it's not "UN Awarded," yes?

It's awarded by the Norwegians; the other Nobel prizes are awarded by the Swedes.

The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is sharing the award with Gore.

I'll say it again: "Al Gore and the UN Awarded the Nobel Peace Prize." That means that Al Gore, and the UN (IPCC), have been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

Yes, they are "sharing it".

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Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
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Nobody has answered my question:

"If everyone behaved like Al Gore would our planet's environment be improved?"

The environment would probably be improved if everyone followed Al Gore's suggestions. But, if people behaved like Al Gore, would it be good for the environment?

And please, explain your answers.

No, because carbon credits don't do anything to change anyone's behavior. Mr. Gore gets to keep his house, consuming 20x+ resources of the average American, while flying around in a Gulfstream, ad infinitum.

He does not believe his gibberish so much so that it has caused him to change his behavior, his lifestyle.

You want to see something that walks their talk, look at Darryl Hannah. She drives a Chevy El Camino diesel and buys only B100 for it. Is that as flashy as Mr. Gore's awards and lights and bells? No, but it's real action.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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Plus.. does he still have a security detail because of his former position??

No.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

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wow jeanne, can you actually hear yourself? i mean really. you're all over the place here. you get the nobel prize for least coherent argument.

No one asked for your opinion..and it does not make a rats ass anyway.... so stuff a sock in it

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They do portray themselves as green and they are

No. Al Gore is not. That's the point. Nobody can be "green" and put more pollution in the air than the average person. Unless by "green" you mean "$$$$$" in which case Al Gore does far better than most.

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and that does not jibe with right wing ideologs whjo want to deny anything is wrong.

Gore's ideas are part of the solution. Gore's ACTIVITIES are part of the problem. That's the point - problem or solution. I identify a problem - carbon footprints. Is there a bigger bigfoot in modern society? THere are probably many. Is there anybody who matches Al Gore's pollution who has his sway? No. It isn't even close.

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but WHY should he and his people have to when the opposition does not believe anything is happening anyway...

Because that is what principle is about. If they BELIEVE it, they walk it. He does not. He makes money that way. Why should they? Because correct is correct. He provides ammunition for people like me to say he DOESN'T believe there is anything wrong with it.

By the way, Jeanne, there is nothing wrong with voting libertarian. So, under your logic, vote liberarian.

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And I would think that all you good "capitalists" would know that "Time is money"

We do. And we understand Gore. And that's the reason why we want him to tell the truth - that the environment is secondary to individual lifestyle. The whole environmental movement is nothing more than a way for him to make a buck. And for that I applaud him.

He is USING people to line his pockets to get more press by buying more carbon credits (actually, Paramount buys them.) HE MAKES A FORTUNE OFF OF IT!

He's a capitalist wolf in sheep's clothing. HE says he's for the world. But he's for himself.

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The Hypocrisy is making such a big tadoo over his supposed hypocrisy..

How? Hypocrisy is exclusive of outside events. He should just admit what he is.

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..( nice job comparing him to your right wing sexual deviants)

I was careful about that. But hypocrisy is hypocrisy.

And I'm glad that you recognize that I point it out on the right as well. About consensual sex, which there is nothing wrong with, unless you make your living saying it's wrong.

Enter Al Gore.

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And as far as dishonest... DUDE.. you are on percentage supporting far more of the right wing agenda than you have EVER supported anything that approaches moderation.....

If calling out hypocrisy is right-wing agenda, then drop me off the hemisphere. Isn't it a shame that anti-hypocrisy is the realm of the right?

I disagree with your insinuation, but I'll concede the point if it makes you happy.

I tend to agree with the right with regard to hatred of class warfare and it's opposition to all forms of racism. I find the left to be intellectually repugnant with many things.

I tend to agree with the left with civil liberties, and I find the right to be repugnant in its pursuit of a police state.

I hate the right. And I hate the left. That makes me moderate, because I am neither right nor left.

How about you? You obviously hate the right so much you'll defend Gore, even though he operates AGAINST what he shoudl stand for.

Gore is a brilliant capitalist. He's a right wing example! He'd be a great villain on Captain Planet! Let's call him, "The Polluter."

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wow jeanne, can you actually hear yourself? i mean really. you're all over the place here. you get the nobel prize for least coherent argument.

No one asked for your opinion..and it does not make a rats ass anyway.... so stuff a sock in it

There it is folks, the voice of reason, logic and erudition. When faced with the facts of blatant hypocricy of someone on the left, the atmospherically tall firery red-head just can't say, "yep, that's right, he's a bloody hypocrite."

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Howdy, micro - good to see ya drop back in, buddy!

HIYA MIKE!!! Or should I say Ruprick the Monkey Boy!! Love the avatar. One of my favorite movies Hope you're well.

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There it is folks, the voice of reason, logic and erudition. When faced with the facts of blatant hypocricy of someone on the left, the atmospherically tall firery red-head just can't say, "yep, that's right, he's a bloody hypocrite."

I just love watching all this class jealousy.. its all ya got... and its hilarious...if not downright sad coming from a bunch of people who waste fuel and have a large carbon footprint every weekend.. That right there is some hypocritical shit.