Al Gore and the UN Awarded the Nobel Peace Prize

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071012/ap_on_re_eu/nobel_peace

So, if I spew a bunch of disputed information about the environment, that will earn me a peace prize?

"Awareness" does not nurture peace in my view. Being a beacon or symbol for freedom and democracy would seem to be a more worthy cause for "peace" recognition.

Congratulations. For Mr. Gore, he's on a roll apparently. The UN will stroke itself silly over this too. The halls of its offices will bear the wafts of its own gas for weeks...

Just to be clear and not misleading, it was the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change that was the co-awardee. Not exactly "the UN" although sponsored by the UN.

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Showing people how to reduce emissions while emitting a lot yourself is very much like showing people how to reduce hunger while eating a lot yourself. If you think one is great and one is a bunch of crap, you may be a bit more partisan than you think you are.

My comparison is still valid. Your leaping to the defense of Gore *does* prove your own partisanship, however.

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Being fat and helping people eat more is not hypocrisy. Being fat and telling people to NOT to eat more is hypocrisy. A fat guy helping improve the food situation in the world? Um, that kinda makes sense. "Be like me. Eat more."

Mark Foley - THAT's hypocritical.

What Gore does is similar to what Mark Foley did. Mark Foley did great things for the protection of children from sexual predators in this country. Sure, he protected them from people like himself, but we should forget about about his own personal hypocrisy. Look at all the good he did in helping put predators away! Let's give him a prize for "Person of the Year" from the Center to Prevent Child Exploitation.

So Al Gore pumps more carbon into the air in one day than I do in 6 months. He's working to rein in greenhouse gases.

I'll put it this way - if everyone behaved like Al Gore, would our environment suffer or be improved? I am not asking, "If everyone followed Al Gore's advice." The question is, "If everyone behaved like Al Gore would our planet's environment be improved?"

The only rational answer to that question is "No." He does more to negatively affect the enviornment than 99 people out of 100 in America, and probably in excess of 995 out of 1,000 in the world.

THAT is why it is hypocritical.

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>It's like giving the Peace Prize to Sergeant York for being a concientious
>objector opposed to killing and war.

More like giving the Peace Prize to Norman Borlaug for helping end hunger even though he was kinda fat. I mean, sure, he probably saved over a billion people from starvation through his work on intensive agriculture. But he ATE A LOT! What a fucking hypocrite! They should have given the prize to someone skinny.

Sorry Bill. That's a bit of a disconnect. Borlaug contributions weren't about individuals dietary habits, whereas savior Gore is preaching that we all need to minimize our fossil fule consumption, while doing the opposite.

Nice effort, though.

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Is Al Gore going to fly to accept the award in that lovely enviro-friendly Gulfstream II that he is fond of?

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>Borlaug contributions weren't about individuals dietary habits, whereas
> savior Gore is preaching that we all need to minimize our fossil fule
>consumption, while doing the opposite.

Some people look at a Nobel prize recipient and see a man who has contributed to our knowledge of agriculture and saved billions of lives, or see a man who has helped get the word out about a problem that may leave tens of millions homeless and hungry.

Other people see a disgusting fat slob or a wasteful idiot. Some people even make those calls based purely on their political affiliation. Suffice to say I am glad the people who award this prize are not so blind.

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Ah I see, so all recipients are equal eh?

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>Borlaug contributions weren't about individuals dietary habits, whereas
> savior Gore is preaching that we all need to minimize our fossil fule
>consumption, while doing the opposite.

Some people look at a Nobel prize recipient and see a man who has contributed to our knowledge of agriculture and saved billions of lives, or see a man who has helped get the word out about a problem that may leave tens of millions homeless and hungry.

Other people see a disgusting fat slob or a wasteful idiot. Some people even make those calls based purely on their political affiliation. Suffice to say I am glad the people who award this prize are not so blind.

Well gee Wally, that's swell.

He's still a hypocrite.

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Is Al Gore going to fly to accept the award in that lovely enviro-friendly Gulfstream II that he is fond of?

So I guess he should ride a bicycle from speaking engagement to home... sounds good to me.. what type of bicycle do you ride to work???

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Is Al Gore going to fly to accept the award in that lovely enviro-friendly Gulfstream II that he is fond of?

So I guess he should ride a bicycle from speaking engagement to home... sounds good to me.. what type of bicycle do you ride to work???

Or, he could fly commercial air, whereupon his carbon footprint will be dramatically decreased by spreading it out with others.

It's kinda like the difference between driving a Hummer and a Honda Accord. If one says, "The Hummer produces more emissions than is necessary" an appropriate reponse would not be, "So, should I ride a bicycle to work?"

Gore is at one extreme - using a LOT more energy than is necessary to support his lifestyle preferences. It's not a choice between flying in a Gulsteam of swimming the Gulf Stream. There are middle grounds.

Edited to add: Note that Gore's use of a Gulstream is reviled by those who typically have no problem with a person using the Gulfstream. It'd be a non-issue if he wasn't so green. Much like Jim Baker's sex with Jessica Hahn was consentual and between adults. What made it so bad was that it is the antithesis of what he claimed to stand for.

Of course, the people who SHOULD be reviling the needless waste of energy by Gore do not because he's their guy, and getting the message across. He's THEIR guy.

The defense and persecution of Al Gore DOES come from ideological lines. But like it or not, he is a hypocrite. It's like he isn't even TRYING to lower his carbon use.

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"Awareness" does not nurture peace in my view. Being a beacon or symbol for freedom and democracy would seem to be a more worthy cause for "peace" recognition.

The United States is a pretty free democracy, but we're not particularly peaceful.

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Nobody has answered my question:

"If everyone behaved like Al Gore would our planet's environment be improved?"

The environment would probably be improved if everyone followed Al Gore's suggestions. But, if people behaved like Al Gore, would it be good for the environment?

And please, explain your answers.

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How funny! The man voted in as president wins the nobel peace prize. The only award the man cheating the president out of presidency can win is a "Peace of Turd" prize. How funny.....

Nice little jab, if inaccurate.

Electoral college...we has it.

If we want to have a true democracy, and have our votes actually count, we need to do away completely with the Electoral College.

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Why would we want to be a democracy?

We are a Republic, please try and follow along.

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The man voted in as president wins the nobel peace prize.

No kidding. The Yankees were screwed in the 2004 ALCS, too. The Yankees scored 45 runs in that 7 game series, and Boston scored only 41. Yet, Boston was allowed to advance and ended up winning the world series.

That's fucked up. Just because Boston won 4 games to NY's 3 shouldn't mean that they should advance! THE YANKEES SCORED MORE RUNS THAN THE BOSOX, DAMMIT! How fucked up are those rules?

Just because Bush won 30 games as opposed to Gore's 20 plus D.C. should not mean that Bush wins. Gore scored more individual votes (kinda like the Yankees scored more runs).

Wouldn't you view the Yankees as whiny losers if they complained about getting more runs when it's a best of seven series? Why, then, are Gore supporters not viewed as whiny losers when it's a best-of-537 series? And Bush got 271 of those.

Apples and oranges my friend.

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If we want to have a true democracy, and have our votes actually count, we need to do away completely with the Electoral College.

But until the system is changed, people should quit making it the scapegout just because they're still pissed about previous results.

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Well, the rules are set up with an electoral college, and whomever wins the electoral vote gets the presidency.

The rules of baseball playoffs do not give the win to the team that scores the most runs in a series. It goes to wins and losses. Whether the Yankees won by a score of 19-8 (as they did in game 3) or by a score of 3-1 (as in game 2) the Yankess got 2 wins.

So whether Al Gore wins California by 1.3 million votes or by 50 votes, he got California and its 54 electoral votes. On the way to the 269 electoral votes needed. Those are the rules.

Not the popular vote. Not the number of states won. The votes of the electoral college are what decides the winner.

We have rules. We apply rules. Under the RULES - not the arbitrary whim of argument, Bush WON. Let us focus on the rules, and not on desires and feelings.

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If we want to have a true democracy, and have our votes actually count, we need to do away completely with the Electoral College.

The founders of this country understood the problems of having a true democracy, which is the reason why the electoral college was designed. It was the reason why we have a republic of elected representatives.

Leaving the country to a popular vote means rules and law are meaningless. And, the rights of those in the minority will be nonexistent.

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The defense and persecution of Al Gore DOES come from ideological lines. But like it or not, he is a hypocrite. It's like he isn't even TRYING to lower his carbon use.

How about whinning about ALL of the corporate jets that CEO's and the rich fly around in.....

THEN I would have a problem with him flying in a private jet.. if you have the money.. go for it..is that not what America is all about???

Plus.. does he still have a security detail because of his former position??

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The founders of this country understood the problems of having a true democracy, which is the reason why the electoral college was designed. It was the reason why we have a republic of elected representatives.

Yup it ensures that the power elite can reverse anything that the PEOPLE actually vote for

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Why would we want to be a democracy republic?

We are an empire, please try and follow along.

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reply]Is Al Gore going to fly to accept the award in that lovely enviro-friendly Gulfstream II that he is fond of?

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The defense and persecution of Al Gore DOES come from ideological lines. But like it or not, he is a hypocrite. It's like he isn't even TRYING to lower his carbon use.

How about whinning about ALL of the corporate jets that CEO's and the rich fly around in.....

THEN I would have a problem with him flying in a private jet.. if you have the money.. go for it..is that not what America is all about???

Plus.. does he still have a security detail because of his former position??

As I said in my most recent post, he could easily pick a much more enviro-friendly corporate jet than the G-II which has much older, smokier engines that the newer models.

I don't have a problem w/ corporate jets nor w/ CEOs and other execs flying in them. And if Gore needs to use one b/c of having a security detail, so be it.

You've harped and harped on the hypocrites of the right for a long time. LIKE YOU, I have a problem with HYPOCRISY and he CLEARLY is a HYPOCRITE.

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The founders of this country understood the problems of having a true democracy, which is the reason why the electoral college was designed.

The founding fathers felt that the ordinary unwashed schmoe was too fucking stupid to be trusted with something informed like electing a president.

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"A popular election in this case is radically vicious. The ignorance of the people would put it in the power of some one set of men dispersed through the Union, and acting in concert, to delude them into any appointment." -- Delegate Gerry, Constitutional Convention, July 25, 1787