Noose at Columbia

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The University of Arizona newspaper is spending a lot of valuable time apologizing for a cartoon that was denigrating to Jewish people. The published cartoon can be seen here.
But heck...racial denigration doesn't happen anymore in the USA. It was a joke!

Coincidentally, tonight's "Nightline" has a 22 minute segment on hate crimes committed by skinheads and their filmed exploits of beating non-whites.

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>But heck...racial denigration doesn't happen anymore in the USA.

A pole, an italian and a hooker walk into a bar. The following joke will generally be non-offensive, because the idea that italians are discriminated against is pretty silly. Heck, you can't even tell who's part italian any more.

A black, a white and a muslim walk into a bar. That's probably going to offend people - because those ARE groups that currently are seeing discrimination.

I look forward to the day that jokes about blacks are as unnotable as jokes about poles.

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I look forward to the day that jokes about blacks are as unnotable as jokes about poles.

And at some point, it probably will be. On the other hand, the playing field has been tilted for so long, it's going to take a while until it's not only leveled out, but has been tilted some in the other direction.
When was the last person beaten, raped, robbed, cross burned, noose hung, or whatever else exclusively because they were a Pole, Italian, or Irish? Even then, Poles, Italians, and Irish come from the same pool of humanity. Africans, Asians, Jews, indigenous people, as mass cultures have been very recently displaced as compared to other cultures. Perhaps it won't take the many years it's taken since the Moors settled out Europe's cultural differences.

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A pole, an italian and a hooker walk into a bar.

A black, a white and a muslim walk into a bar.

I was so waiting for the punch line. Come on.

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...and they all required stitches.

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I just read a story on ABC.com about the security tapes being handed over to NYPD.

Here's an interesting side issue from that story:

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Meanwhile, police were called to the Ivy League campus again Thursday to probe another distasteful discovery a caricature of a yarmulke-wearing man and a swastika found on a bathroom stall door. The NYPD's hate crime unit was investigating the black-ink drawing, but police said there was no reason to believe the two incidents were linked.

University President Lee Bollinger said the sketch was promptly removed. He said he was reluctant to call attention to the drawings because he did not want to "broadcast, in any way, the message they attempt to send or empower those behind them."

I wonder if President Bollinger urged the same restraint to the noose incident.

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A pole, an italian and a hooker walk into a bar.

A black, a white and a muslim walk into a bar.

I was so waiting for the punch line. Come on.

what do you call a black man in a suit? the accused

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I just read a story on ABC.com about the security tapes being handed over to NYPD.

Here's an interesting side issue from that story:

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Meanwhile, police were called to the Ivy League campus again Thursday to probe another distasteful discovery a caricature of a yarmulke-wearing man and a swastika found on a bathroom stall door. The NYPD's hate crime unit was investigating the black-ink drawing, but police said there was no reason to believe the two incidents were linked.

University President Lee Bollinger said the sketch was promptly removed. He said he was reluctant to call attention to the drawings because he did not want to "broadcast, in any way, the message they attempt to send or empower those behind them."

I wonder if President Bollinger urged the same restraint to the noose incident.

The most rational thought I've yet heard. It takes just a single jerk to put a noose, burning cross, swastika, whatever, in a public place. Then the media and elected officials make a huge deal out of it as it was a decision made by the community. So by one dumb anonymous act, the jerk sits back and watches the frenzy he has created. So now he knows what he needs to do the next time he wants to feel powerful.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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I look forward to the day that jokes about blacks are as unnotable as jokes about poles.

And at some point, it probably will be. On the other hand, the playing field has been tilted for so long, it's going to take a while until it's not only leveled out, but has been tilted some in the other direction.
When was the last person beaten, raped, robbed, cross burned, noose hung, or whatever else exclusively because they were a Pole,

-1945. World War II.

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-1945. World War II.

And that happened in America?

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I can tell you that several people from the groups you mentioned were hung in public in Shitcago in the early 1920's

Marshall Field made sure of it.

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I look forward to the day that jokes about blacks are as unnotable as jokes about poles.

And at some point, it probably will be. On the other hand, the playing field has been tilted for so long, it's going to take a while until it's not only leveled out, but has been tilted some in the other direction.
When was the last person beaten, raped, robbed, cross burned, noose hung, or whatever else exclusively because they were a Pole,

-1945. World War II.

and 1956 Poznan, 1980 Gdansk, 1981 Gdansk.

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I can tell you that several people from the groups you mentioned were hung in public in Shitcago in the early 1920's

Marshall Field made sure of it.

I'm not familiar with those incidents. It's well-known in racial history that Marshall Field's stores wouldn't allow minority patronage until the mid-60's, but I couldn't find any reference to lynchings. I did find that Marshall Field died in 1906.
Can you tell me more?

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I was wrong about the date, there were workers protests, and someone threw a bomb, the men who were tried were innocent, but were hung anyways.

I will try and find that story.

I guess the masses needed to be taught a lesson.

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http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award98/ichihtml/hayhome.html
http://memory.loc.gov/learn/collections/chicago/history.html


http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9D04E2DC1E3EEF33A25756C1A9679D94649FD7CF

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9D0CE3D7173CE633A25754C1A9649C946396D6CF

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1743-4580.2006.00118.x

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I was wrong about the date, there were workers protests, and someone threw a bomb, the men who were tried were innocent, but were hung anyways.

I will try and find that story.

I guess the masses needed to be taught a lesson.

I think THAT is the point, the Haymarket riot hangings were an anti-worker, anti-union deterrent orchestrated by the city bosses. Any ethnic association was incidental.

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: NO NEWS IS GOOD NEWS - "The earliest version of this familiar saying was attributed to the English King James I, who wrote in 1616, 'No newis is bettir than evill newis.' Virtually the modern saying appeared some years later in James Howell's 'Familiar Letters' (c. 1645) with the line, 'I am of the Italians mind that said.no news, good news'." From "Wise Words and Wives' Tales: The Origins, Meanings and Time-Honored Wisdom of Proverbs and Folk Sayings Olde and New" by Stuart Flexner and Doris Flexner (Avon Books, New York, 1993). Page 135.

I'm sure you've heard of the king's joker, or merry-man, who loved to make puns, so much so that the king, in disgust, ordered him hanged. But the king's vizier prevailed on him to grant the joker a reprieve. Upon learning it, the joker immediately said, "Well, no noose is good noose." So the king decided to hang him anyway.

"Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion" - Democritus

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I was wrong about the date, there were workers protests, and someone threw a bomb, the men who were tried were innocent, but were hung anyways.

I will try and find that story.

I guess the masses needed to be taught a lesson.

I think THAT is the point, the Haymarket riot hangings were an anti-worker, anti-union deterrent orchestrated by the city bosses. Any ethnic association was incidental.

Oh ok, please tell us all what ethnic backgrounds the men who were executed were from?

I will give you a hint, they were not Irish, English, nor Scots.

The prevailing forces of that time were only too glad to hang those of Italian and or German decent.

Back then being Italian was probably one of the worst offenses one could be accused of.

Oh and before Kallend makes a joke of that, please recall who I am, and who my relatives are/were.

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I was wrong about the date, there were workers protests, and someone threw a bomb, the men who were tried were innocent, but were hung anyways.

I will try and find that story.

I guess the masses needed to be taught a lesson.

I think THAT is the point, the Haymarket riot hangings were an anti-worker, anti-union deterrent orchestrated by the city bosses. Any ethnic association was incidental.

Oh ok, please tell us all what ethnic backgrounds the men who were executed were from?

I will give you a hint, they were not Irish, English, nor Scots.

The prevailing forces of that time were only too glad to hang those of Italian and or German decent.

Back then being Italian was probably one of the worst offenses one could be accused of.

Oh and before Kallend makes a joke of that, please recall who I am, and who my relatives are/were.

They were all of German origin. No Italians were hanged for the Haymarket riots.

Which in no way changes my statement that this was an anti-union anti-worker event, and that ethnic friction was not the motivation for the city bosses.

The Haymarket hangings were taken up as a cause celebre by the labor movement, resulting in May 1 being Labor Day in most nations of the world nowadays (the US being the principle exception).

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