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Apparently you and I are not "the norm".
I've always been gainfully employed, based on skills I learned in the service, honed over the years since so that I've always improved my finances. I've always provided for my kids as all parents should.
Nowhere in my life have I ever received any financial training...and I typically suck at it. Thankfully I make enough to overcome this inadequacy.
Not all people have the skills required to make a decent living, some rise above these challenges, but not all.
I do understand that we have a LOT of irresponsible parents out there...and I still think we as a society should assist those less fortunate than ourselves.
but that's me...;)

Lord does my speeeeling suck sometimes.

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Didn't YOU just admit to attending a taxpayer funded school?




Yes I did. Whats your point?



Taxpayers paid for your education, but now you're a taxpayer you resent doing your part.
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PS - if you want to argue that illegal immigrants don't pay taxes because they work illegally........that's fine. But there's a simple solution to that. Get rid of income tax and make it a flat sales tax. That way whenever anybody purchases something they're paying their taxes. Yeah, no more taxes to file.:(



THat won't stop the losses, because they send a great deal of the money they earn illegally back home so it is not spent here thus creating more jobs nor is it taxed on sales.

Well let's go with your argument...............either they pay a little sales tax and no income tax and their earned money gets shipped home.............or more sales tax on the money they are spending here............................with which option do we get more in taxes?
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THat won't stop the losses, because they send a great deal of the money they earn illegally back home so it is not spent here thus creating more jobs nor is it taxed on sales.




What losses?

Most of the taxes in this country are paid by the top 5% of wage earners. Cumulatively the top quintile pays 60%, two quintiles 80%, and 3 quintiles over 95%.

For all practical purposes migrant workers don't pay taxes.

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San Francisco is starting to eyeball the notion.



So a government is looking at ways to make money by charging people to use what they already pay taxes to use?

Hmmm. Who would have thought that a government would try to seek more money and profit?



Main problem is that too many people want to use the same square mile corridor of roads downtown, as well as the Bay Bridge during the same time in the morning and afternoon. Rush 'hour' on the bridge starts before 6am and runs well past 9. So the notion of variable pricing (like the toll roads near San Diego) is highly likely to come along. I think the charge to enter downtown is much less likely, esp since they tore down all the freeways within the city, so you have to go on city streets to get anywhere in town.

Secondary problem is that you have a bunch of car hating Supervisors who think that the solution to transit is to make driving too expensive. In general, the poor do not get a break here. They're supposed to ride Muni. New housing developments have a strict limit on the number of parking spaces that can be created and it's often less than 1:1 for units and spaces (the max is 1:1)

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Taxpayers paid for your education, but now you're a taxpayer you resent doing your part.




I do not resent doing my part John. What I resent is when the Govt wants to come and take more because they have some new bullshit welfare program they want to buy votes with. I am taxed out at this point. They take enough from us. They need to cut spending. If they ran a business like they run the Govt they would have been bankrupt long ago.
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Well let's go with your argument...............either they pay a little sales tax and no income tax and their earned money gets shipped home.............or more sales tax on the money they are spending here............................with which option do we get more in taxes?



Third option you did not mention. Hire a citizen or someone who has come here legally through the appropriate channels and have them pay all the taxes they should pay since they will be working legally.
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Taxpayers paid for your education, but now you're a taxpayer you resent doing your part.




I do not resent doing my part John. What I resent is when the Govt wants to come and take more because they have some new bullshit welfare program they want to buy votes with. I am taxed out at this point. They take enough from us. They need to cut spending. If they ran a business like they run the Govt they would have been bankrupt long ago.


Well, we can have a thread on the deficit and the debt if you like:)
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Well, we can have a thread on the deficit and the debt if you like:)



If you start a separate thread on defense spending (rather, "offense spending") instead of inserting it into every other thread, that would have a lower irony score.

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Well, we can have a thread on the deficit and the debt if you like:)



If you start a separate thread on defense spending (rather, "offense spending") instead of inserting it into every other thread, that would have a lower irony score.


The $$ all come from the same pockets in the end regardless of where they are spent. It's all comingled. Like these threads.
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The $$ all come from the same pockets in the end regardless of where they are spent. It's all comingled. Like these threads.



I hav e more issue of whose pockets so much of it is going into.. Cost plus contracts to "friends of the administration" but I guess the right wing feel those are necessary... no matter how wastefull

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The $$ all come from the same pockets in the end regardless of where they are spent. It's all comingled. Like these threads.



I hav e more issue of whose pockets so much of it is going into.. Cost plus contracts to "friends of the administration" but I guess the right wing feel those are necessary... no matter how wastefull



Uh ok, because when the left wing is in power everything is on the up and up and the friends of the administration are told to screw off. Whatever. No matter who is in power the corruption and pats on the back run rampant.
The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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The $$ all come from the same pockets in the end regardless of where they are spent. It's all comingled. Like these threads.



exactly, but I'm not a fan of "move the money from this budget to that budget arguments"

I'd rather see the thing you don't like discussed as a reduction or elimination.

Separately, then we can discuss the thing you do like on it's own merits.

else, you just waste time with your implications that people who oppose you MUST be FOR the other thing - which is wrong 99% of the time and allows stupid digressions on the other subject. And emotional nonsense from the non-thinkers

But, I know it's more FUN to go the other route :P

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Uh ok, because when the left wing is in power everything is on the up and up and the friends of the administration are told to screw off. Whatever. No matter who is in power the corruption and pats on the back run rampant



I love how you guys try to deflect critisism of this amount of corruption and deficit spending that has reached the highest levels ever seen in our government...by saying .. they all do it.....

They all have not done it.. this level of greed and incompetence has not been seen in over 120 years... Boss Tweed would be very very proud of Boss Bush and Boss Cheney.

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Uh ok, because when the left wing is in power everything is on the up and up and the friends of the administration are told to screw off. Whatever. No matter who is in power the corruption and pats on the back run rampant



I love how you guys try to deflect critisism of this amount of corruption and deficit spending that has reached the highest levels ever seen in our government...by saying .. they all do it.....

They all have not done it.. this level of greed and incompetence has not been seen in over 120 years... Boss Tweed would be very very proud of Boss Bush and Boss Cheney.



I voted for Bush and I am not happy with his performance. The deficit spending is out of control, he has done nothing concerning immigration which IMO is one of the most pressing problems facing this country. And I think some things have been accomplished in Iraq but how are we going to get the troops out? I don't think anyone knows. So don't paint me with that broad brush. I am conservative but I am not happy with Bush. When I voted for him he was the lesser of two evils. Kerry being the other evil.
The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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deficit spending that has reached the highest levels ever seen in our government...this level of incompetence has not been seen in over 120 years



Na, na, na, na, nah. My monopoly dollar is worth more than your dollar. :ph34r:

ROFLMAO ... of course I can't find a family doctor here in Canuck'ville if my life depended on it. All our doctors have gone south. In theory our socialized medical system is great. But in reality as long as the money in medicine is south of the border, our socialized medical system will continue to hemorage as the population of Canuck'ville continues to grow and age.

But my monopoly money is still worth more than yours and I can thank GWB for that gift.


Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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I voted for Bush and I am not happy with his performance. The deficit spending is out of control, he has done nothing concerning immigration which IMO is one of the most pressing problems facing this country. And I think some things have been accomplished in Iraq but how are we going to get the troops out? I don't think anyone knows. So don't paint me with that broad brush. I am conservative but I am not happy with Bush. When I voted for him he was the lesser of two evils. Kerry being the other evil.



So basically you got fooled twice..

You believed the right wing Swift Boaters about how BAAAAAAAAAAd Kerry would be ( No one else who was running could POSSIBLY have been as bad as what you voted for)

And you believed the Right Wing bullshit about how christian and moral and good and competent GWB would be. ( an unnecesary war is the ultimate obsenity especially when done in the name of the LORD)

Karl Rove is laughing all the way to the bank along hiwth his buddies who have made a killing of and OFF of the American people.

Way to go Captain Obvious.

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Talk off your blinders and ease up on the bitterness. I did not get fooled. I voted for the lesser of two evils like I said. The point I was trying to make was that I am not happy with Bush. I don't think Kerry would have done any better. It had nothing to do with the Swift Boat Crap. More to do with his lack of ideas or policies that were worth a crap. If you don't like it do something about it. Talk is cheap.
The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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