pop 0 #1 October 9, 2007 http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSSYD29548220071009?pageNumber=2 "Tim Flannery, a world recognized climate change scientist and Australian of the Year in 2007, said a U.N. international climate change report due in November will show that greenhouse gases have already reached a dangerous level. Flannery said the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report will show that greenhouse gas in the atmosphere in mid-2005 had reached about 455 parts per million of carbon dioxide equivalent -- a level not expected for another 10 years." "Flannery, from Macquarie University and author of the climate change book "The Weather Makers", said he had seen the raw data which will be in the IPCC Synthesis Report." "He said the measurement of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere included not just carbon dioxide, but also nitrous oxide, methane and hydrofluorocarbons (HFCs). All these gases were measured and then equated into potentially one gas to reach a general level." "That 200 gigatonnes of carbon pollutant, the standing stock that's in the atmosphere, is there courtesy of the industrial revolution, and we're the beneficiaries of that and most of the world missed out," he said.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 October 9, 2007 I don't really think it's that much of a jump. More like . . . uh . . . realization of how much we've already fucked ourselves.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #3 October 9, 2007 Calling all deniers Calling all deniers Get out your attack dogs to attack the scientist that disagrees with you...lly I think Global warming IS happening.. just from what I have seen in my life.. but..I live somplace that will benefit... so I will still help it along I LOVE change and new thingsSome of you in areas that wil be desertified like back east... I dont have a problem with that.. enjoy the changes you are denying happening.Persona Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #4 October 9, 2007 Dont worry... once we've gone the planet will recover. Always look on the bright side of life, Dadum, dadum,dadum,dadum...... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #5 October 9, 2007 The Sky is Falling, The Sky is Falling. Mother Earth will be hear long after we are all dead and gone. I am all for enviromentally sound policies but your doomsday predictions get old.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #6 October 9, 2007 QuoteMother Earth will be hear long after we are all dead and gone.. Yes, you're probably right. The planet probably will still be here long after we're gone, but wouldn't it be nice if there was still life on it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #7 October 9, 2007 Guess where loads of the displaced folks will move to? Yeap, your back yard.... better order some extra milk (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #8 October 9, 2007 Quote "That 200 gigatonnes of carbon pollutant, the standing stock that's in the atmosphere, is there courtesy of the industrial revolution, and we're the beneficiaries of that and most of the world missed out," he said. Love the liberal guilt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #9 October 9, 2007 >Mother Earth will be hear long after we are all dead and gone. It will indeed! The question becomes - what sort of world do you want your kids to live in? If it's "I don't give a shit" then there's not much impetus to do anything at all. >I am all for enviromentally sound policies . . . Then we are in agreement. > but your doomsday predictions get old. No one is predicting that the world is going to end. It's just going to be a bit warmer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #10 October 9, 2007 Quote No one is predicting that the world is going to end. It's just going to be a bit warmer I am thinking San Diego weather in Seattle will be pretty KEWL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #11 October 9, 2007 Quote>Mother Earth will be hear long after we are all dead and gone. It will indeed! The question becomes - what sort of world do you want your kids to live in? If it's "I don't give a shit" then there's not much impetus to do anything at all. >I am all for enviromentally sound policies . . . Then we are in agreement. > but your doomsday predictions get old. No one is predicting that the world is going to end. It's just going to be a bit warmer. I just don't believe that the earth is going to get any warmer. Out tempatures were just as hot today as they were 100 years ago. This is just my opinion. We can both post data to back up our respective opinions. I think the enviromental movement would get further with people pushing enviromental policies as the right thing to do as opposed to the politics of fear.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #12 October 9, 2007 >I just don't believe that the earth is going to get any warmer. It IS getting warmer. You can believe whatever you choose, but it flies in the face of every bit of evidence we've uncovered. >Out tempatures were just as hot today as they were 100 years ago. This >is just my opinion. And that's fine, but it's as valid as saying "skydivers go up when they open; I've seen it on a video." >I think the enviromental movement would get further with people pushing >enviromental policies as the right thing to do . . . Didn't work. Why should anyone spend any money to make some stupid environmentalist happy? Indeed, if you're the CEO of a company and you "do the right thing" instead of the profitable thing, then your shareholders bail, you go out of business and you then try to get a job at the company that didn't "do the right thing" and is now making loads of money. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
speedy 0 #13 October 10, 2007 Quote Quote No one is predicting that the world is going to end. It's just going to be a bit warmer I am thinking San Diego weather in Seattle will be pretty KEWL Billvon said a bit warmer, not "a lot warmer". Don't believe Al Gore, there will be no San Diego weather in Seattle any time soon. Sorry to dissapoint you Dave Fallschirmsport Marl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #14 October 10, 2007 QuoteBillvon said a bit warmer, not "a lot warmer". Don't believe Al Gore, there will be no San Diego weather in Seattle any time soon. Sorry to dissapoint you Hey anything is an improvement over the gray drab perma drizzle that we have now... Even the floods and windstorms and a couple feet of snow last winter provide some much needed change and difference from the norm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #15 October 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteBillvon said a bit warmer, not "a lot warmer". Don't believe Al Gore, there will be no San Diego weather in Seattle any time soon. Sorry to dissapoint you Hey anything is an improvement over the gray drab perma drizzle that we have now... Even the floods and windstorms and a couple feet of snow last winter provide some much needed change and difference from the norm. With more heat, expect more water vapor in the air...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #16 October 10, 2007 QuoteWith more heat, expect more water vapor in the air... Kewl.. better skiing There is already 30 " at Mt Baker... on track for another record year http://www.mtbaker.us/info_stats.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #17 October 10, 2007 >With more heat, expect more water vapor in the air... Warmer waters = more water vapor and (generally) more rain Warmer land = _less_ water vapor and (generally) less rain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #18 October 10, 2007 Quote>With more heat, expect more water vapor in the air... Warmer waters = more water vapor and (generally) more rain Warmer land = _less_ water vapor and (generally) less rain That explains why the wettest region in the US is the Southeast (including TN and KY) and three of the 10 driest cities are in Montana. Why does it seem like you get less and less rain as you head down the western coastline? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #19 October 10, 2007 QuoteQuote>With more heat, expect more water vapor in the air... Warmer waters = more water vapor and (generally) more rain Warmer land = _less_ water vapor and (generally) less rain That explains why the wettest region in the US is the Southeast (including TN and KY) and three of the 10 driest cities are in Montana. Why does it seem like you get less and less rain as you head down the western coastline? It sure does not explain why GA is in the middle of a severe drought.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #20 October 10, 2007 >Why does it seem like you get less and less rain as you head down >the western coastline? Water is cold all the way down (the California Current moves cold water from the North Pacific to the West Coast) and the land gets progressively warmer. Cold water/warm land = little rain. Occasionally the California Current is disrupted, and the water warms a bit. The most common cause of this is the circulation disruption called El Nino. This leads to increased rains in the southwest as more water evaporates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdshit 0 #21 October 11, 2007 Quote I am thinking San Diego weather in Seattle will be pretty KEWL Yeah, me too. Or, you could just move to a place where the weather is more to your liking. Global warning is no big deal. Al Gore is a fool right? Except that 40% of the crop-yielding areas on the planet will no longer produce food and we will be eating rats, cockroaches and eventually each other to stay alive! Just remember kids: Soylent green is people! Enjoy the weather up there in Seattle because everywhere south of there and north of argentina will be like death valley.. Maybe that explains your drought in GA, AWOL71? You trying to tie in "it aint rained in a while in these here parts" to a global ecological catastrophe that has taken a hundred years to make and will ravage the planet for hundreds of years just shows how uninformed about the basic science involved you really are. As more heat energy is stored in the oceans, it will spur massive, powerful hurricanes just like the one that wiped out new orleans over and over again, year after year. (proven fact) . But hey, they are only black people. And we will endure ever increasing severe weather events, the polar ice caps will continue to melt (proven scientific fact) killing entire populations of animals like polar bears (never did like bears) the sea will rise (proven fact) and the influx of fresh water into the ocean can turn off the underwater currents that keep the UK warm, and completely fuck up every part of our ecosystem (screw the limey bastards). As temperatures rise, coral reefs in all the worlds oceans will bleach and die, because of the tiny algae in them are sensitive to temperature changes. This will lead to vast changes in the oceans ecosystem and mass extinctions of vital oceanic organisms. Since we have all seen the 3rd grade poster where microorgamisms are eaten by krill and algae, and nearly every other type of sea creature rely on these organisms for food either directly or indirectly (by eating critters that rely on them) then eventually these temperature changes will either kill all the life in the oceans, leave just a few super adaptive species left, or change the oceans to the point that we dont recognize them any more. No more red lobster... Just a whole planet with dead, green oceans that smell like dead fish. (hey I am used to the smell of dead fish. I been married three times) Its like watching a drunken retard play russian roulette with a 357 magnum loaded with 6 hollow points and during the game they keep telling themselves that there is no bullet in the gun, it wont hurt, it's a blank, the gun is fake, etc, etc. Regardless of all evidence to the contrary, you will believe whatever people tell you to believe so feel free to continue deluding yourselves. Scientists recently stated that the proposed damage that they predicted would be done the the environment by 2010 was actually surpassed in mid 2005, so it looks like we are ahead of schedule! When you presume to disagree with the hypothesis and best educated guesses of thousands of PHds, planetary scientists, biologists, meteorologists and some of the best minds of our time based on your mastery of planetary science that you picked up on Fox News and ESPN you will be proven dead wrong. Get used to it. Evolution is also real. Jesus was a con artist. There is no tooth fairy. Santa clause is fake. Sorry to break it to you like that. The same kind of ignorant bravado that reminds me of bush going "bring em on!".. Back before we experienced the pleasure of IEDs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #22 October 11, 2007 QuoteSorry to break it to you like that. The same kind of ignorant bravado that reminds me of bush going "bring em on!".. Back before we experienced the pleasure of IEDs. Gee havent you gotten RUSHMC's and his ilk's talking points yet.. there is no global warming...not happening.. So since most of the deniers live in RED STATE HELL... I have decided to help along Global Warming as much as I can.. so all the fucking idiots can all fucking live in the Fly Over Desert ( Desert is a good place for them in a hell on hearth)... and good riddance to them. And also since most of them do not believe in any form of social program.. dont come crawling to me for any kind of handout...if they are too fucking stupid to look around them and see the reality.. then let them live in the hell they created and said was not happening... Like they like to say...I have got mine.. and the rest of them can go fuck themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birdshit 0 #23 October 11, 2007 Quote Quote Sorry to break it to you like that. The same kind of ignorant bravado that reminds me of bush going "bring em on!".. Back before we experienced the pleasure of IEDs. Gee havent you gotten RUSHMC's and his ilk's talking points yet.. there is no global warming...not happening.. So since most of the deniers live in RED STATE HELL... I have decided to help along Global Warming as much as I can.. so all the fucking idiots can all fucking live in the Fly Over Desert ( Desert is a good place for them in a hell on hearth)... and good riddance to them. And also since most of them do not believe in any form of social program.. dont come crawling to me for any kind of handout...if they are too fucking stupid to look around them and see the reality.. then let them live in the hell they created and said was not happening... Like they like to say...I have got mine.. and the rest of them can go fuck themselves. Hey wait a second. You might be on to something there. I am going shopping for a suburban tomorrow! Yeah! We can smoke out the red staters! We will smoke em out of their holes! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #24 October 11, 2007 QuoteHey wait a second. You might be on to something there. I am going shopping for a suburban tomorrow! Yeah! We can smoke out the red staters! We will smoke em out of their holes! DUDE forget the Suburban.... I have a 1959 32' cabin cruiser with twin 350 small blocks... 750 Holly double squirters on them.. I can get about .75 MPG when I am cruising along.... plus all the heat is dumped right into the ocean to make better storms for everyone.. who needs boring weather. Actually I am pinning my hopes on tornados.... http://www.cdli.ca/CITE/tornadoes_stats.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #25 October 11, 2007 There's a hole in the ozone layer. Normally I'd need a scientest to tell me that, but here in the south southern hemisphere, there is no doubt. As a child in the 60's and 70's, I ran and played in the sun day in, and day out and never wore sunblock. I can never recall being sunburnt until I was in the military in the 80's and was told it was a "self inflicted injury" and was viewed the same way as shooting yourself in the foot. People tried to get sunburnt, but you had to really work at it. It never happened in a day. Sunstroke happened before sunburn. These days, things are a little different. I have 2 girls. They're 9 and 13. They are seldom in the sun, and wear factor 40+ sunblock that's 1st applied at around 07h30 in the morning and repeatedly through the day. It's in my budget. A day in the sun for both of them costs about $15 worth of sunblock. $15 a DAY not to get cancer. (sure, we're reamed on pricing here at $15 for 200ml) If a spot is missed, it's a blister before lunchtime. We really are cooking out here. Tourists arive having been briefed for the crime and the poverty, and can't move after day 2 because of the sun. Foreign skydivers come here for a boogie from Europe, and by day 2 cannot wear a rig because of the blisters on their backs. Somethings changed. It's more personal than the glasiers on top of Kilimanjaro melting. In the 80's, people never needed to put sunblock on their cat's ears or their dogs noses to stop them dying of cancer before they were 5. They do now. It's radiation city out there...t It's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
