Gravitymaster 0 #26 October 9, 2007 Quote >As soon as a rabid enough anti-war candidate emerges . . . Uh, the democratic party already has several anti-war candidates. And remember how the two-party system works. Hilary, if nominated, will be running against a pro-endless-war republican, not a "rabid anti-war" candidate. The anti-war candidates aren't frothing at the mouth enough. They need to be screeching that "Bush lied, people died." That's what the Move-ons and Daily Kos'sacks need to hear to get them to the polls. They don't like Hillary and won't vote for her. Word has it, Hillary is already consulting with Bush about the war and has toned down the rhetoric because she doesn't want to paint herself into a corner as she learns the truth about what's going on in the ME. Of course, she knew at one time when she supported the war but, lost her way in order to win votes. She is now rediscovering what she and Bill knew during his term, but didn't want to deal with at the time. Gravitymaster for President 08'-The Only Real Anti-War Candidate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #27 October 9, 2007 QuoteSadly there will always be those for whom this race is about her being a woman. Their positions are generally characterized by calling her a bitch, a witch, a harpy, a slut etc. She's not a "heavyweight" - other foreign leaders won't listen to a girl. You know women, they're on the rag half the time. I think such tactics will, more than anything else, reinforce her chances of winning. Women make up more than 50% of the US, and they may well vote for her as a reaction to what they see as a misogynist campaign against her. Any group will band together against a common enemy. So keep it up, right wing! You just may ensure that 2008 sees the first female US president. I give women more credit than that. Many women have to work for other women and it tends to be a contentious relationship. All they have to do is ask themselves is if they want that woman running their lives, because, believe me, she thinks that she's just a little bit smarter than the rest of us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #28 October 9, 2007 Reply To -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Maybe she just didn't want to hear that screeching voice and that cackling witch laugh for the next four years. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Oh come on.. Anne Coulter isnt running for any political office but we will have to listen to her anyway Quote Ann Coulter is actually funny and has a biting sense of humor. Kind of like you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #29 October 9, 2007 QuoteI thought this was odd, because it was a lady who said she wouldn't vote for Hillary because she is a woman. I think in most every area, you will find there are enough ignorant (idiot) voters of this nature that cancel each other out - about the same number that will vote for Hillary "just because she's a woman" will be cancelled out by those that vote against her "just because she's a woman. I think there's a few threads on just that topic. You might find that on DZ.com - that first type is more prevalent and oblivious to why their logic is just as bad as the other. Glad we got it figured out. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #30 October 9, 2007 Quote Second, Rehmwa is my favorite .commer ever. REALLY? I can't stand that guy. He really needs to take it down a notch. He gets all serious on topics of justice or parity. The rest of the time he just puts out random crap. If I ever see him, I'm going to punch him right in the back of the head. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #31 October 9, 2007 QuoteQuote>As soon as a rabid enough anti-war candidate emerges . . . Uh, the democratic party already has several anti-war candidates. And remember how the two-party system works. Hilary, if nominated, will be running against a pro-endless-war republican, not a "rabid anti-war" candidate. There is one Republican vehemently opposed to the war, and I made the distasteful decision this year to change my registration from Independent to Republican just to vote for him in the primary. And he has absolutely no chance of winning the primaries...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PLFXpert 0 #32 October 9, 2007 I love it when you talk parity. Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #33 October 9, 2007 Quote And he has absolutely no chance of winning the primaries... If everyone took your attitude, yes. Your right, I'll just sit on my hands and give up."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #34 October 9, 2007 Quote Quote And he has absolutely no chance of winning the primaries... If everyone took your attitude, yes. Your right, I'll just sit on my hands and give up. I cant vote, so there! I really, really, really doubt that the Republican machine would let a anti-war candidate go through. As much as elections are a fairly democratic process, the primary circus is much less of one.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #35 October 9, 2007 Quote Word has it, Hillary is already consulting with Bush about the war and has toned down the rhetoric because she doesn't want to paint herself into a corner as she learns the truth about what's going on in the ME. Ah, so she wasn't told the truth about the middle east before? I see, glad you're coming around Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #36 October 9, 2007 QuoteI really, really, really doubt that the Republican machine would let a anti-war candidate go through. really, really, really? That is a pretty compelling argument. What if it guaranteed the win? They've become a spend and spend party to get a win. They've become a tax increase party to get wins. They've agreed to nonsense social programs to get a win. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #37 October 9, 2007 Quote I cant vote, so there! So move to Chicago. They even let dead people vote there."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #38 October 9, 2007 Quote really, really, really? That is a pretty compelling argument. Come on Bill... It was a statement of opinion, not an argument...Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #39 October 9, 2007 Quote What if it guaranteed the win? They've become a spend and spend party to get a win. They've become a tax increase party to get wins. They've agreed to nonsense social programs to get a win. Yep. 'Cause if you win, the treasure(y) is all yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #40 October 9, 2007 QuoteYep. 'Cause if you win, the treasure(y) is all yours. REALLY? Why, it's a good thing our politicians are all honest and genuinely motivated to serve the people. If not, who knows what kind of crap and dirty pool would be done by both sides just to get a little more of an edge. I'm glad that doesn't happen. Politics is pure and decent and good. I don't want to see it sullied by greed. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #41 October 9, 2007 Quote Quote Word has it, Hillary is already consulting with Bush about the war and has toned down the rhetoric because she doesn't want to paint herself into a corner as she learns the truth about what's going on in the ME. Ah, so she wasn't told the truth about the middle east before? I see, glad you're coming around Nice try. I'm talking about what's going on in Iran, Syria, Israel etc. Whom would have known better than any other Senator, what was happening in Iraq than Hillary? Why was Hillary, Albright etc. so convinced there were WMD's? She and her husband had just spent 8 years getting unfiltered intelligence reports. What happened to all the WMDs she thought were there? Do you really belive the CIA and other covert intelligence agencies were that wrong? Why was Israel able to attack an apparent Syrian nuke shipment from N. Korea without it being reported in the press for months? Why did Israel and Syria want to cover it up? Why was N. Korea sending nuke material to Syria and then a month later concede to demands to dismantle their facilities? Why has Hillary toned down the anti war rhetoric? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #42 October 9, 2007 Quote Nice try. I'm talking about what's going on in Iran, Syria, Israel etc. Whom would have known better than any other Senator, what was happening in Iraq than Hillary? Why was Hillary, Albright etc. so convinced there were WMD's? She and her husband had just spent 8 years getting unfiltered intelligence reports. What happened to all the WMDs she thought were there? Do you really belive the CIA and other covert intelligence agencies were that wrong? What people thought they knew in the late 90's doesn't hold a candle to what we actually knew, and had the capability to find out in the early '00's, prior to the invasion. That's why I made the comment about the list you posted the other day. It did things like quote Ritter in '98 but ignore what he said in '02. But we all know now that the WMD excuse wasn't the reason for the war as we know it, which is why they attacked on what they thought we knew, which is what they wanted to know, instead of on what we knew we knew, ya know? Quote Why was Israel able to attack an apparent Syrian nuke shipment from N. Korea without it being reported in the press for months? Why did Israel and Syria want to cover it up? Why was N. Korea sending nuke material to Syria and then a month later concede to demands to dismantle their facilities? I can't answer those questions because we still don't know what Israel was doing in Syria. We don't know if it was a nuke site, a suspected shipment of Russian Pantsyr missilies or a test of Syrian defense capability for a potential attack on Iran. Or something else. But what I do know is that there are people who want to figure out a way to attack Iran before next year. And I'm certainly going to scrutinize any hearsay information that I get from the same batch of misinformants that got us into the Iraq war. Quote Why has Hillary toned down the anti war rhetoric? If she has then it's probably because people like Obama have more credibility on the war issue. Also, health care issues have been brought to the forefront these days and that works for her. So basically, she's being a politician who is running for office and will say what she thinks needs to be said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #43 October 9, 2007 I think the election us up for grabs right now. The republicans have a good shot. So do the Dems. We shall see. Right now I'm not really impressed with any candidate. Everyone - feel free to write me in. JACKASS '08Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #44 October 9, 2007 QuoteI think the election us up for grabs right now. The republicans have a good shot. So do the Dems. We shall see. Right now I'm not really impressed with any candidate. Everyone - feel free to write me in. JACKASS '08 I'm conflicted between you and Nightengale for president. Can you tell me, what is your position on Tequila? a - dancing and drinking on unstable or lit surfaces b - sitting down - this is serious drinking c - sprawled d - soaking in it Kris - if you can also respond, that would be swell. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #45 October 9, 2007 QuoteCan you tell me, what is your position on Tequila? Bill, this shows how much of an irresponsible voter you are. Its easy enough to do a litle research on your own and find out what his position in tequila is.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #46 October 9, 2007 Just based on the law of averages, whoever wins will be an improvement over what we have now.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #47 October 9, 2007 QuoteI think such tactics will, more than anything else, reinforce her chances of winning. Women make up more than 50% of the US, and they may well vote for her as a reaction to what they see as a misogynist campaign against her. Any group will band together against a common enemy. So keep it up, right wing! You just may ensure that 2008 sees the first female US president. wishful thinking on your part. Besides, they don't have to smear her for being a woman - that part is already obvious. They can smear her for all the things that happened from 1991 till now. I think there's several million housewives that remember her crack about baking cookies. That wasn't really a good starting point with that large group of women. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #48 October 9, 2007 QuoteDepends on who you're talking about. "The Democrats", yes. "Hillary", no. I wouldn't count Hillary out yet. I'll probably vot5e for Edwards in the primaries, but if Hillary's the candidate I'll vote for her later. Not voting for ANY Republican, I'll tell you that right now, not if they ran Jesus himself. I think the war in Iraq will drive the Republicans out of office. And if the Dems handle it skillfully, the overall stagnation in wages and erosion of the middle class could be another big issue that people are tired of living with (tried buying a house in California lately ? - we can't). Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #49 October 9, 2007 QuoteQuoteDepends on who you're talking about. "The Democrats", yes. "Hillary", no. I wouldn't count Hillary out yet. I'll probably vot5e for Edwards in the primaries, but if Hillary's the candidate I'll vote for her later. Not voting for ANY Republican, I'll tell you that right now, not if they ran Jesus himself. I think the war in Iraq will drive the Republicans out of office. And if the Dems handle it skillfully, the overall stagnation in wages and erosion of the middle class could be another big issue that people are tired of living with (tried buying a house in California lately ? - we can't). The republicans and democrats have nothing to do with you not being able to buy a house in CA. That is a supply and demand issue that is dictated by the market. ANd if you think the Democrats are going to ease the burden on the middle class you are sorely mistaken. The large middle class along with the smaller high income class have to pay for the welfare and handouts that the democrats love to hand out. That is a big part of their base after all.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #50 October 9, 2007 and we all have to pay for the wars that both sides like to start. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
