Can the Democrats really win the White house?

[airdweller 0]

I have just recently ( about a month) moved from New Hampshire to Indiana, so my observations may be premature. It really does seem to be more conservative in this part of the country then on the east coast.
I do not think that middle America will vote for a woman or an African American regardless of their qualifications. I could be wrong, but I think if the democrats have Obama or Clinton for their choice for president. I think the republicans could win the presidency again.

What do you think?

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[NCclimber 0]

I think it doesn't matter what people are saying in Indiana or Massachusetts or any of the other shoo-in States. It will come done to the swing States like Ohio, Penn. or Fla.

If a Democrat can win the swing states, he/she will win the election.

[quade 4]

Depends on who you're talking about.

"The Democrats", yes.

"Hillary", no.

quade -
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[rehmwa 2]

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I do not think that middle America will vote for a woman or an African American regardless of their qualifications. I could be wrong, .....

What do you think?

I think a totally biased and stereotyped view (based on a "recent" move =>little or no exposure) that a huge group of people is totally biased and stereotyped is the very definition of irony.

Be honest - you held this bias LONG before you ever moved. (of course, I'm just basing this on 4 lines of post and the note that you are from New Hampshire - they are all the same)

I find Midwesterners to be extremely diverse and honest and opinionated as far as politics are concerned. But no real 'blanket' bias.

Maybe you should 'really' get to know your new neighbors.

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[airdweller 0]

I am trying to get to know my new neighbors, and so far the people that I have met and talked to have been really nice and charming.

Adding another blanket statement, I have actually observed that the people in the miswest seem to be much friendlier then the northeast.

I guess it's the little things, for example I have seen way more Bush/Chaney bumper stickers here in the last month then I have seen in the last two years in New Hampshire.

But back to the original question or a variation to the question.
Do you think the Democrats will win the White house with either Hillary or Obama as the candidate?

P.S. I did not base my view only (on a "recent" move =>little or no exposure), but other factors such as how the regions have voted over the last couple of presidential races. If I remember correctly, New Hampshire was the only state to change color in the last presidential race.

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[lawrocket 3]

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I do not think that middle America will vote for a woman or an African American regardless of their qualifications.

They would have voted for Colin Powell. Until recently, they probably would have voted for Condi Rice.

It's a shame that so many view middle America as the sort who would pick on race or color more so than ideology. They'll vote for the right guy regardless of color (by they I mean 95 percent of them that you speak of).

And, by the way, the initial portion of your post is actually the reason why the electoral college was put in. Middle America is America, too, and deserve to have a voice.

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[AWL71 0]

I do not think Hillary has a chance of winning the Oval Office. Obama's chances are also very slim in my opinion. The upcoming elections are depressing. I consider myself a conservative but I am not excited by any major candidate on either side of the aisle. Whether the candidate be republican or democarat they have to sell themselves out to all kind of special interest groups to get the nomination. Then it is all down hill from there. I hope some more worthy candidates come on the scene but I don't see that happening.

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[lummy 4]

I don't.. Personally, I think the Dem's will lose the WH but pick up enough seats in the 2 houses to make the REP pres have to work with them.

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[billvon 3,120]

Based on the poll results I've seen, Hilary has a pretty solid chance of winning the White House if the election were held soon. I hope she doesn't, though.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Based on the poll results I've seen, Hilary has a pretty solid chance of winning the White House if the election were held soon. I hope she doesn't, though.

A lot of candidates look that way the year prior. There seems to be a signficant polling error when it comes to less desirable candidates (read minorities and women) - the phone polls say one thing, the actual votes says another. I surmise that over the phone people are less likely to say what they really think.

Personally, I think 2008 is very winnable for the Democrats, but based on the leading candidates, they're acting as if it were totally unwinnable. It's getting late in the game with the primary season now so short (stupid Californians, among many).

[masterblaster72 0]

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I consider myself a conservative but I am not excited by any major candidate on either side of the aisle. Whether the candidate be republican or democarat they have to sell themselves out to all kind of special interest groups to get the nomination. Then it is all down hill from there.

I keep hearing these same points being made from both Democrats and Republicans.

The same 'special interest groups' that bring you your evening news are the same special interests that these mainstream candidates serve. None of them have the interest of 'we the people' in mind.

As long as we remain dependent on major television networks for our information, we'll always be stuck with candidates we're not impressed by.

Unless Ron Paul wins the republican nomination (it's okay to dream), I, for one, will likely not vote -- I too am disgusted by all mainstream candidates on both sides.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[rehmwa 2]

"woman or an African American regardless of their qualifications"

This is the problem I had with your post. I does not apply to a single person I've ever met in the entire US. And I've been in the midwest extensively.

Can you tell me..... Where are the voters that would vote FOR a minority or women (without ANY other information)?

In my experience, in both cases everyone that fits into either category has been from either Florida or California (but, they've all been on DZ.com, I'm sure they were being trolls, and most of all members, I believe, are from those states, so I doubt it was a significant result, just a reflection of a small goofy set)

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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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What do you think?

It depens where in the midwest you are. Big cities in this area are often democratic where the rural areas tend to be more red. Get on 55/57/80 heading out of Chicago during an election year and you will see a drastic change in campaign advertisments and lawn decorations the further away from the city you get.

Honestly to me I don't care what party the winner is. What I do care about is someone returning this country to normal and back to what it should be. You know, simple stuff like following the laws, constitution, better local and foreign policy, etc. To me, right now, that best bet is Ron Paul. You wouldn't ever catch me voting for Hillary. My second choice would be Obama and from there it's a matter of chosing the best of the leftovers.

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[livendive 8]

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To me, right now, that best bet is Ron Paul. You wouldn't ever catch me voting for Hillary. My second choice would be Obama and from there it's a matter of chosing the best of the leftovers.

A person who doesn't support a woman's right to manage her own body isn't really a libertarian in my book, but I still share your opinion of the two best candidates thus far, just reversed.

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[airdweller 0]

I'm sorry if you had a problem with my post. That wasn't my intent.

My post came more from overhearing a conversation at lunch (Wendy,s) where I heard couple of people talking about Hillary's qualifications, but not voting for her because she was a woman. I thought this was odd, because it was a lady who said she wouldn't vote for Hillary because she is a woman.

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[quade 4]

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I thought this was odd, because it was a lady who said she wouldn't vote for Hillary because she is a woman.

Why? Do women automatically vote for women?

GWB is an old white man and I didn't vote for him either time. Is THAT odd?

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[ChasingBlueSky 0]

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To me, right now, that best bet is Ron Paul. You wouldn't ever catch me voting for Hillary. My second choice would be Obama and from there it's a matter of chosing the best of the leftovers.

A person who doesn't support a woman's right to manage her own body isn't really a libertarian in my book, but I still share your opinion of the two best candidates thus far, just reversed.

Blues,
Dave

That was a tough one for me as well. But after all the reading I have done, my assumption (always dangerous) is that he wouldn't push for a chance in Roe v Wade. I also like his experience over Obama and I like that he has maintained a rather solid view on many political hot points over the years.

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[airdweller 0]

No, I thought it was odd that she wouldn't vote for Hillary because she was a woman even though the lady in question felt Hillary was qualified.

To answer your question:

GWB is an old white man and I didn't vote for him either time. Is THAT odd?

If you felt he was qualified to be president yet you would not vote for him because he is male then, yes that would seem odd to me.

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[Royd 0]

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No, I thought it was odd that she wouldn't vote for Hillary because she was a woman even though the lady in question felt Hillary was qualified

Maybe she just didn't want to hear that screeching voice and that cackling witch laugh for the next four years.

[PLFXpert 0]

First, I've had a couple drinks--typical before I post here.

Second, Rehmwa is my favorite .commer ever.

Third, to answer you question: No.

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[Amazon 7]

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Maybe she just didn't want to hear that screeching voice and that cackling witch laugh for the next four years.

Oh come on.. Anne Coulter isnt running for any political office but we will have to listen to her anyway.

[billvon 3,120]

Sadly there will always be those for whom this race is about her being a woman. Their positions are generally characterized by calling her a bitch, a witch, a harpy, a slut etc. She's not a "heavyweight" - other foreign leaders won't listen to a girl. You know women, they're on the rag half the time.

I think such tactics will, more than anything else, reinforce her chances of winning. Women make up more than 50% of the US, and they may well vote for her as a reaction to what they see as a misogynist campaign against her. Any group will band together against a common enemy.

So keep it up, right wing! You just may ensure that 2008 sees the first female US president.

[Gravitymaster 0]

She's not going to lose because of her gender. As soon as a rabid enough anti-war candidate emerges, they will syphon off enough votes to cause Hillary to lose to a Republican. The Move-On and Daily Kos crowd will not vote for a pro-war candidate like Hillary. Once again the Democrat Party will defeat itself.

Heck, I'm even thinking about running as a Democrat.

[billvon 3,120]

>As soon as a rabid enough anti-war candidate emerges . . .

Uh, the democratic party already has several anti-war candidates. And remember how the two-party system works. Hilary, if nominated, will be running against a pro-endless-war republican, not a "rabid anti-war" candidate.

[ryoder 1,590]

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>As soon as a rabid enough anti-war candidate emerges . . .

Uh, the democratic party already has several anti-war candidates. And remember how the two-party system works. Hilary, if nominated, will be running against a pro-endless-war republican, not a "rabid anti-war" candidate.

There is one Republican vehemently opposed to the war, and I made the distasteful decision this year to change my registration from Independent to Republican just to vote for him in the primary.

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