kallend 2,147 #101 October 10, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt's people like you that make me glad we are a nation of laws, not of mob sentiments. How long do you think we'll have to wait until the NEXT massacre (or attempred one at least) then? I think this attempted one was overdue...aren't you running at about 3 a year or something? perhaps you could clarify exactly how many a year you're having...cheers Why punish me for another's crimes? If one person drives drunk and kills multiple people, do we ban alcohol or cars? Great analogy. We should test and license gun owners like drivers, and register guns, like cars.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #102 October 10, 2007 The constitution saw fit to codify gun rights. Therefore it is (thankfully) very difficult to pass registration for firearms. Cars/driving are not a constitutional right, so it's easier to get registration/licensing laws passed. You'll change your tune if you one day become the victim of a violent crime. Sadly I have, and I will not give up my constitutional rights. DO NOT bring up Iraq or Healthcare. I will not discuss it here with you.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #103 October 10, 2007 Quote Great analogy. We should test and license gun owners like drivers, and register guns, like cars. I haven't taken a driving test at the DMV in the 19 years since I got my license. I had one vision test when I got Lasik done and needed to remove the corrective lens requirement. Since I did MSF, I only needed to do the written test to add the motorcycle endorsement. Buying a car or motorcycle requires a simple signature and address. You don't even need a license to do it. If you want, you can buy two at the same time! The process to buy a gun is already far more detailed and regulated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #104 October 10, 2007 Quote DO NOT bring up Iraq or Healthcare. I will not discuss it here with you. I didn't, but YOU DID.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #105 October 11, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIt's people like you that make me glad we are a nation of laws, not of mob sentiments. How long do you think we'll have to wait until the NEXT massacre (or attempred one at least) then? I think this attempted one was overdue...aren't you running at about 3 a year or something? perhaps you could clarify exactly how many a year you're having...cheers Why punish me for another's crimes? If one person drives drunk and kills multiple people, do we ban alcohol or cars? Great analogy. We should test and license gun owners like drivers, and register guns, like cars. Outstanding!! Then with a simple test and license, I could carry in every state, everywhere - banks, schools, bars, etc. I could own as many as I want, no waiting periods, no limitations on magazine size or automatic status. I could import them from any country in the world, no limitations. No background checks, no mental health questions. Pay the fee, take the test, get the license. 17 year olds could carry legally - 16 years olds with a valid hardship. Get caught without the license? $100 ticket that comes off your record in a couple-three years. I say, "let's do it!"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #106 October 11, 2007 QuoteThat reminds me how the old Chief of the London Metropolitan police once mentioning a statistic: 'The vast majority of crimes committed in London are by blacks.' This was a simple statistical fact. The accusations of racism were deafening. Yep. American police chiefs have been fired for stating such truths. We're not allowed to talk about it any more. So it just keeps getting worse, because everyone is afraid to do anything about it. Political correctness will destroy us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DZJ 0 #107 October 11, 2007 If we don't get gunned down in the street first... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #108 October 11, 2007 Quote didn't take long did it.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7038532.stm thank god for guns eh Mentally unstable people and guns do not mix. We need better procedures in place to prevent such people from getting hold of guns.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #109 October 11, 2007 QuoteIf we don't get gunned down in the street first... It has not happened to me yet Must be really dangerous where you are, or you just look like an easy target. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Almighty 0 #110 October 11, 2007 Quote Quote didn't take long did it.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7038532.stm thank god for guns eh Mentally unstable people and guns do not mix. We need better procedures in place to prevent such people from getting hold of guns. But with it being so easy to get hold of a gun in America, do you think it's bound to happen that some of the legally purchased guns are going to end up in the wrong hands (mental nut jobs) eventually? I guess it doesn't really matter to your average gun nut, they just want to spout on about THIER rights to own a gun, it's just tough shit for the people being killed by guns that were once legally owned and now have fallen in to the wrong hands... they don't care about the mudered persons rights, it's all about THEIR righst to have a gun, nobody elses rights are as important Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #111 October 11, 2007 gun nut, nut jobs, WTF do you work for Sanfillipo & Sons? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #112 October 11, 2007 I see you are in favor of taking away someones right to suit your own beliefs. How do you sleep at night, knowing there are firearms out there plotting to do you harm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #113 October 11, 2007 Quote Then with a simple test and license, I could carry in every state, everywhere - banks, schools, bars, etc. I think you would get arrested if you drove into a bank. Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #114 October 11, 2007 But if you can carry your car in with you, i doubt anyone will mess with you.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #115 October 11, 2007 Quote Quote Quote didn't take long did it.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7038532.stm thank god for guns eh Mentally unstable people and guns do not mix. We need better procedures in place to prevent such people from getting hold of guns. But with it being so easy to get hold of a gun in America, do you think it's bound to happen that some of the legally purchased guns are going to end up in the wrong hands (mental nut jobs) eventually? Definately. Quote I guess it doesn't really matter to your average gun nut, they just want to spout on about THIER rights to own a gun, it's just tough shit for the people being killed by guns that were once legally owned and now have fallen in to the wrong hands... they don't care about the mudered persons rights, it's all about THEIR righst to have a gun, nobody elses rights are as important If it's the governments job to limit access to objects and substances which may be used legally or illegally, I just want them to go after the ones with the highest body counts first. Guns get used in 10,000 murders a year, while alcohol is involved in 20,000 traffic fatalities each year. If accidents are an issue, I want the government to go after the swimming pool, bathtub, and beach owners whose property claims 3000 lives each year versus 1000 for guns. If those bigger issues aren't worth addressing (no one needs to drink alcohol or go swimming) I want them to leave my guns alone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #116 October 12, 2007 Quote Quote Then with a simple test and license, I could carry in every state, everywhere - banks, schools, bars, etc. I think you would get arrested if you drove into a bank. don't they have drive up tellers/ATMs in Arizona? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #117 October 12, 2007 Quote Quote Quote Then with a simple test and license, I could carry in every state, everywhere - banks, schools, bars, etc. I think you would get arrested if you drove into a bank. don't they have drive up tellers/ATMs in Arizona? Yup - with Braille on the keys Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #118 October 12, 2007 Quote Quote Then with a simple test and license, I could carry in every state, everywhere - banks, schools, bars, etc. I think you would get arrested if you drove into a bank. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 616 #119 October 12, 2007 QuoteMentally unstable people and guns do not mix. We need better procedures in place to prevent such people from getting hold of guns. Even with licensing schemes in place how do you predict that someone will become mentally unstable? I guess that you could suspend licenses due to "events". So for example your wife files for divorce and your gun license is immediately suspended. I wouldn't want that to happen but isn't it divorce, rejection at school, problems at work (being fired) that form a major trigger for the majority of known shootings?Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
