Freemasons, Skull & Bones, etc etc. Who cares?

[SpeedRacer 1]

So why do people get so worked up with conspiracy theories about these groups???

It seems all you have to do is have some well-known club that sneaks down to its basement to perform silly rituals that they keep a secret, and then people automatically assume that the club is a sinister evil all-powerful organization that controls the fucking world.

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So why do people get so worked up with conspiracy theories about these groups???

It seems all you have to do is have some well-known club that sneaks down to its basement to perform silly rituals that they keep a secret, and then people automatically assume that the club is a sinister evil all-powerful organization that controls the fucking world.

That;a why I think certain members of DZ.com need to start our own secret society. We can create our own conspiracy theories. Carpe Diem bitches!

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So why do people get so worked up with conspiracy theories about these groups???

In the case of Skull and Bones . . . just look at the last Presidential election. Both Kerry AND Bush (43) belonged to Skull and Bones. Further, Skull and Bones was THE source for a lot of early CIA personnel. For example, Bush (41) was director of the CIA and, you guessed it, a member of Skull and Bones.

It seems pretty obvious to me why people get excited about it. Even though the organizations may not have anything to do with anything, it DOES look fishy.

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[normiss 906]

holy crap!
A LOT of politicians go to church too!

it's starting to make sense now...

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holy crap!
A LOT of politicians go to church too!

it's starting to make sense now...

What you're talking about is available to everyone.
What I'm talking about is pretty much only available to sons of power-brokers and people that previously belonged.

If you can't see a difference there, then I can't help you.

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So why do people get so worked up with conspiracy theories about these groups???

In the case of Skull and Bones . . . just look at the last Presidential election. Both Kerry AND Bush (43) belonged to Skull and Bones. Further, Skull and Bones was THE source for a lot of early CIA personnel. For example, Bush (41) was director of the CIA and, you guessed it, a member of Skull and Bones.

It seems pretty obvious to me why people get excited about it. Even though the organizations may not have anything to do with anything, it DOES look fishy.

My understanding is that Skull & Bones go around picking out people with high potential from powerful families to recruit into the club. It stands to reason that a lot of those types wind up in high government positions.

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My understanding is that Skull & Bones go around picking out people with high potential from powerful families to recruit into the club. It stands to reason that a lot of those types wind up in high government positions.

And "legacy" pledges . . . sons of previous members . . . keeping it all in the family.

Again, I don't subscribe to the notion of any sort of Illuminati, but it does make for some great fiction.

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[normiss 906]

Skull and Bones, yes - Freemasons, no.
Both were mentioned in this thread, as were "etc, etc" which leaves the field rather wide open.

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Skull and Bones, yes - Freemasons, no.
Both were mentioned in this thread, as were "etc, etc" which leaves the field rather wide open.

Your local dry cleaner and car dealer are likely to be freemasons. Hardly sinister (in most cases).

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try to stay on topic will ya?

the OP never mentioned sinister!

oh wait...I mentioned church didn't I?

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holy crap!
A LOT of politicians go to church too!

it's starting to make sense now...

What you're talking about is available to everyone.
What I'm talking about is pretty much only available to sons of power-brokers and people that previously belonged.

If you can't see a difference there, then I can't help you.

Some people just don't seem to get the BIG picture. Sad

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I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[Zipp0 1]

Why be concerned? Because when asked about, Bush and Kerry, both grown men, refused to give any details at all. If this is just college kids goofing around in a basement, why all the secrets?

I was in a fraternity, and we had lots of secrets, but I wouldn't run for president and refuse to comment on it. Why? Because we actually WERE college kids acting silly in a basement.

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Why be concerned? Because when asked about, Bush and Kerry, both grown men, refused to give any details at all. If this is just college kids goofing around in a basement, why all the secrets?

My guess is they were made to give their word not to discuss the SECRET CEREMONIES. so they can't discuss them, no matter how stupid they were, because they would break their word.

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Why be concerned? Because when asked about, Bush and Kerry, both grown men, refused to give any details at all. If this is just college kids goofing around in a basement, why all the secrets?

My guess is they were made to give their word not to discuss the SECRET CEREMONIES. so they can't discuss them, no matter how stupid they were, because they would break their word.

Nope. Russert just said "You and Kerry were in Skull and Bones...." and Bush says "It's so secret I can't even talk about it." So, it's not like Russert said "What's your secret handshake?"

http://www.infowars.com/print/Secret_societies/../../Video/bush2.WMV

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Surely you can see it simply for what it is!?

The powerful will naturally be rich in Western society.

They'll send their children to the best schools, colleges, and universities such as Harvard. And guess what, over the years they'll establish themselves a little 'gentlemans' club.

Guess who gets to join?

Guess who'll end up in the powerful, wealth accumulating positions?

It's not exactly a secret, is it?

It's powerful people looking out for their personal and families interests, in remaining rich and powerful.

Bit of a pisser when it manifests itself in foreign policy and as usual the innocent take a bite out of the 'shit sandwich.'

In fact, it's postively outrageous.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[SpeedRacer 1]

that pretty much sums it up. I just think it's stupid how people enshroud it with mystery & conspiracy theories.

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Makes a good and dramatic story though - which in itself generates interest, which generates wealth.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Actually, I view the Democrats and Republicans as FAR more of a threat to us than some glorified fraternity.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Er, ok. But don't they seem to generate themselves from this 'Skull and Utter Dickhead' club....?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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So why do people get so worked up with conspiracy theories about these groups???

In the case of Skull and Bones . . . just look at the last Presidential election. Both Kerry AND Bush (43) belonged to Skull and Bones. Further, Skull and Bones was THE source for a lot of early CIA personnel. For example, Bush (41) was director of the CIA and, you guessed it, a member of Skull and Bones.

It seems pretty obvious to me why people get excited about it. Even though the organizations may not have anything to do with anything, it DOES look fishy.

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Er, ok. But don't they seem to generate themselves from this 'Skull and Utter Dickhead' club....?

Yep. Which means if the Skull and Bones thing had that much influence, we wouldn't be seeing such competitive ideals between Reps & Dems.

It's why I compare it to a frat.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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I'd compare it to inter-club competition.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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It seems all you have to do is have some well-known club that sneaks down to its basement to perform silly rituals that they keep a secret, and then people automatically assume that the club is a sinister evil all-powerful organization that controls the fucking world.

maybe we still remember Christianity started that way,

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I'd compare it to inter-club competition.

Maybe.........or if you were a "club" that wanted to "have influence at the top level" what would be the easiest way to do this? Have both of the candidates be members.

I think the main concern that a lot of people have is the same reason why we're supposed to have separation of church and state.............if church or the skulls is who they made a pledge to for their life, the organization "puts" them into power....then who's bidding will the candidate perform, that of the people or the organization that he/she made a pledge to?

And that concern goes across the board, whether it is the skulls or the freemasons or whomever. Let's say you were a contractor and you placed a bid on a contract, you are very reputable and do good work. You don't get the bid even though you learn that your bid was the lowest and a competing company gets it because the owner was part of a group such as the skulls or the freemasons because the guy in charge of the oversight board is also in the same group. Sort of takes democracy right out of it doesn't it? Just look at Iraq, think Haliburton.

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So why do people get so worked up with conspiracy theories about these groups???

Apparently JFK cared.

I posted this before, and I'm posting it again. Have you ever listened to what he said about clubs like this? If not, I recommend listening to the speech -- it'll take up about five minutes of your time.

According to him, these "secret societies" have a heavy influence from behind the scenes in our government. And this is coming from a POTUS, not a conspiracy theorist.

Would you have called him a conspiracy kook for saying this?

I also said this before and I'll say it again -- those in public service should not be loyal to a black-box group of establishment elites; they should be loyal to those they represent. If they aren't, it's up to journalists to start investigating, asking the tough questions, and it's up to people to vote these politicians out of office if they are not acting in the interest of the people they are elected to represent.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.