kallend 2,146 #1 September 25, 2007 Anyone been watching the PBS series this week?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #2 September 25, 2007 Quote Anyone been watching the PBS series this week? Good series covering the war at home and at the front. Ken Burns was very explicit in his coverage of Japanese-American internment, women in the factory, segregation, military fuck-ups, and death in the air, land, and sea.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #4 September 25, 2007 Quote Anyone been watching the PBS series this week? No. When is it on Ca. time? PSTI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lastchance 0 #5 September 25, 2007 Yes, although I missed the first night because PBS in my area was on the fritz. I may be getting old but I got to see all the cool bands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,587 #6 September 26, 2007 Naturally; last night I went to watch it with my dad (who served in the Pacific). Unfortunately, the episode wasn't nearly as much about the Pacific war as the description had made it sound, but such is life. Great series. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #7 September 26, 2007 riveting! The War tonight is D-Day.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #8 September 26, 2007 It is unlike other documentaries on WWII that I've seen, it that it focusses on the troops themselves, and how they paid for the screw-ups of their superiors (such as the withdrawal of naval support from Guadalcanal, and the mess at Kasserine and at Anzio).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #9 September 26, 2007 Quote It is unlike other documentaries on WWII that I've seen, it that it focusses on the troops themselves, and how they paid for the screw-ups of their superiors (such as the withdrawal of naval support from Guadalcanal, and the mess at Kasserine and at Anzio). Focusing on our leadership screw-ups? I'm shocked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #10 September 26, 2007 and I didn't think PA's were allowed in here.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #11 September 27, 2007 Quote It is unlike other documentaries on WWII that I've seen, it that it focusses on the troops themselves, and how they paid for the screw-ups of their superiors (such as the withdrawal of naval support from Guadalcanal, and the mess at Kasserine and at Anzio). Leave it to you to see only the screw-ups. You must miss out on alot with that mindset. Hoping it'll turn out different this time?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #12 September 27, 2007 QuoteQuote It is unlike other documentaries on WWII that I've seen, it that it focusses on the troops themselves, and how they paid for the screw-ups of their superiors (such as the withdrawal of naval support from Guadalcanal, and the mess at Kasserine and at Anzio). Leave it to you to see only the screw-ups. You must miss out on alot with that mindset. Hoping it'll turn out different this time? Well, last night Utah, Juno, Sword and Gold beaches received about 60 seconds each, while the screw ups at Omaha took about 1/3 of the program.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #13 September 27, 2007 and it was heart wrenching to watch the effects those mistakes had on the men there. damn....damn were(?) the Japs an evil bunch too... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #14 September 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote It is unlike other documentaries on WWII that I've seen, it that it focusses on the troops themselves, and how they paid for the screw-ups of their superiors (such as the withdrawal of naval support from Guadalcanal, and the mess at Kasserine and at Anzio). Leave it to you to see only the screw-ups. You must miss out on alot with that mindset. Hoping it'll turn out different this time? Well, last night Utah, Juno, Sword and Gold beaches received about 60 seconds each, while the screw ups at Omaha took about 1/3 of the program. One third of the program was about the screw ups at Omaha? What episode were you watching? I saw the one about the D-Day invasion. It seemed like an honest representation of what occurred, including the screw ups. It certainly didn't seem like 1/3rd was about the screw ups. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #15 September 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote It is unlike other documentaries on WWII that I've seen, it that it focusses on the troops themselves, and how they paid for the screw-ups of their superiors (such as the withdrawal of naval support from Guadalcanal, and the mess at Kasserine and at Anzio). Leave it to you to see only the screw-ups. You must miss out on alot with that mindset. Hoping it'll turn out different this time? Well, last night Utah, Juno, Sword and Gold beaches received about 60 seconds each, while the screw ups at Omaha took about 1/3 of the program. One third of the program was about the screw ups at Omaha? What episode were you watching? I saw the one about the D-Day invasion. It seemed like an honest representation of what occurred, including the screw ups. It certainly didn't seem like 1/3rd was about the screw ups. OK, what do YOU think the ratio was of program time spent on successes at (Utah + Sword + Juno + Gold) to the program time spent showing sinking landing craft at Omaha, landing craft released too far from the beach at Omaha, troops wading neck high in the ocean at Omaha, hiding behind Nazi beach defenses because the bombers missed their targets at Omaha, piles of bodies at Omaha, failed glider landings, lost paratroops, etc.?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #16 September 28, 2007 In any major military operation there are going to be things that go wrong, 90% of the time we go into the objective area blind. Mistakes aside the overall criteria for success on D-Day were met, against overwhelming odds yet the only thing you can do is highlight the mistakes that were made. Nothing in combat happens the way it should, Murphy climbs into the pocket of every soldier that steps on the battlefield and hangs on for the ride. Yet as stated before the only you care about when there is a topic involving the military in any capacity is how "screwed up" the military is, you have quite the dreary way of looking at everything. WTF Kallend?History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #17 September 28, 2007 QuoteIn any major military operation there are going to be things that go wrong, 90% of the time we go into the objective area blind. Mistakes aside the overall criteria for success on D-Day were met, against overwhelming odds yet the only thing you can do is highlight the mistakes that were made. Nothing in combat happens the way it should, Murphy climbs into the pocket of every soldier that steps on the battlefield and hangs on for the ride. Yet as stated before the only you care about when there is a topic involving the military in any capacity is how "screwed up" the military is, you have quite the dreary way of looking at everything. WTF Kallend? If you read what I first wrote, it is that THIS PROGRAM appears to be dwelling on the screw-ups. Which makes it quite different from, say, "Victory at Sea".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #18 September 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote It is unlike other documentaries on WWII that I've seen, it that it focusses on the troops themselves, and how they paid for the screw-ups of their superiors (such as the withdrawal of naval support from Guadalcanal, and the mess at Kasserine and at Anzio). Leave it to you to see only the screw-ups. You must miss out on alot with that mindset. Hoping it'll turn out different this time? Well, last night Utah, Juno, Sword and Gold beaches received about 60 seconds each, while the screw ups at Omaha took about 1/3 of the program. One third of the program was about the screw ups at Omaha? What episode were you watching? I saw the one about the D-Day invasion. It seemed like an honest representation of what occurred, including the screw ups. It certainly didn't seem like 1/3rd was about the screw ups. OK, what do YOU think the ratio was of program time spent on successes at (Utah + Sword + Juno + Gold) to the program time spent showing sinking landing craft at Omaha, landing craft released too far from the beach at Omaha, troops wading neck high in the ocean at Omaha, hiding behind Nazi beach defenses because the bombers missed their targets at Omaha, piles of bodies at Omaha, failed glider landings, lost paratroops, etc.? I'm not inclined to quantify what portion of the program was about screw ups. I thought the series was quite compelling. Definitely a "warts and all" representation. As far as I'm concerned, this was a massive endeavor, in which some pretty massive screw ups were inevitable. That the were inevitable doesn't excuse them, but I understand they go with the territory. They're part of warfare. Judging by your posts, you seem to think the screwups were the most compelling part of this series. They seem to be the focus of your interest,... instead of the brutality of war or the sacrifice made by 100s of thousands of American soldiers. I'd offer more, but I 'm sure that'd get me a warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #19 September 28, 2007 You get used to it after a while Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #20 September 28, 2007 If you read what I first wrote, it is that THIS PROGRAM appears to be dwelling on the screw-ups. Which makes it quite different from, say, "Victory at Sea". Quote I just did, please excuse me and accept my apologies, the long string of replies and quotes in everyone's posts caused me to misread what you said.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #21 September 28, 2007 Quote You get used to it after a while If you read what I first wrote, it is that THIS PROGRAM appears to be dwelling on the screw-ups. Which makes it quite different from, say, "Victory at Sea".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #22 September 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote It is unlike other documentaries on WWII that I've seen, it that it focusses on the troops themselves, and how they paid for the screw-ups of their superiors (such as the withdrawal of naval support from Guadalcanal, and the mess at Kasserine and at Anzio). Leave it to you to see only the screw-ups. You must miss out on alot with that mindset. Hoping it'll turn out different this time? Well, last night Utah, Juno, Sword and Gold beaches received about 60 seconds each, while the screw ups at Omaha took about 1/3 of the program. One third of the program was about the screw ups at Omaha? What episode were you watching? I saw the one about the D-Day invasion. It seemed like an honest representation of what occurred, including the screw ups. It certainly didn't seem like 1/3rd was about the screw ups. OK, what do YOU think the ratio was of program time spent on successes at (Utah + Sword + Juno + Gold) to the program time spent showing sinking landing craft at Omaha, landing craft released too far from the beach at Omaha, troops wading neck high in the ocean at Omaha, hiding behind Nazi beach defenses because the bombers missed their targets at Omaha, piles of bodies at Omaha, failed glider landings, lost paratroops, etc.? I'm not inclined to quantify what portion of the program was about screw ups. . Nice dodge. If you read what I first wrote, it is that THIS PROGRAM appears to be dwelling on the screw-ups. Which makes it quite different from, say, "Victory at Sea".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #23 September 28, 2007 Quote I'm not inclined to quantify what portion of the program was about screw ups. . Nice dodge. Not a dodge. Go back a read what I wrote. My point should be obvious. Quote If you read what I first wrote, it is that THIS PROGRAM appears to be dwelling on the screw-ups. Which makes it quite different from, say, "Victory at Sea". You gonna keep making that "Victory at Sea" comparison, two days and many criticisms later? Maybe you could just include it in every post, from now on. And yes, this is quite different from "Victory at Sea", which was made 55 years ago. However, there have been numerous programs in recent times that give realistic, complete depictions of WWII. Ever heard of The History Channel? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,146 #24 September 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'm not inclined to quantify what portion of the program was about screw ups. . Nice dodge. Not a dodge. Go back a read what I wrote. My point should be obvious. [? Your motives have been very obvious from the first week you posted here. Nice dodge, all the same.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #21 September 28, 2007 Quote You get used to it after a while If you read what I first wrote, it is that THIS PROGRAM appears to be dwelling on the screw-ups. Which makes it quite different from, say, "Victory at Sea".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #22 September 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote It is unlike other documentaries on WWII that I've seen, it that it focusses on the troops themselves, and how they paid for the screw-ups of their superiors (such as the withdrawal of naval support from Guadalcanal, and the mess at Kasserine and at Anzio). Leave it to you to see only the screw-ups. You must miss out on alot with that mindset. Hoping it'll turn out different this time? Well, last night Utah, Juno, Sword and Gold beaches received about 60 seconds each, while the screw ups at Omaha took about 1/3 of the program. One third of the program was about the screw ups at Omaha? What episode were you watching? I saw the one about the D-Day invasion. It seemed like an honest representation of what occurred, including the screw ups. It certainly didn't seem like 1/3rd was about the screw ups. OK, what do YOU think the ratio was of program time spent on successes at (Utah + Sword + Juno + Gold) to the program time spent showing sinking landing craft at Omaha, landing craft released too far from the beach at Omaha, troops wading neck high in the ocean at Omaha, hiding behind Nazi beach defenses because the bombers missed their targets at Omaha, piles of bodies at Omaha, failed glider landings, lost paratroops, etc.? I'm not inclined to quantify what portion of the program was about screw ups. . Nice dodge. If you read what I first wrote, it is that THIS PROGRAM appears to be dwelling on the screw-ups. Which makes it quite different from, say, "Victory at Sea".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #23 September 28, 2007 Quote I'm not inclined to quantify what portion of the program was about screw ups. . Nice dodge. Not a dodge. Go back a read what I wrote. My point should be obvious. Quote If you read what I first wrote, it is that THIS PROGRAM appears to be dwelling on the screw-ups. Which makes it quite different from, say, "Victory at Sea". You gonna keep making that "Victory at Sea" comparison, two days and many criticisms later? Maybe you could just include it in every post, from now on. And yes, this is quite different from "Victory at Sea", which was made 55 years ago. However, there have been numerous programs in recent times that give realistic, complete depictions of WWII. Ever heard of The History Channel? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #24 September 28, 2007 QuoteQuoteI'm not inclined to quantify what portion of the program was about screw ups. . Nice dodge. Not a dodge. Go back a read what I wrote. My point should be obvious. [? Your motives have been very obvious from the first week you posted here. Nice dodge, all the same.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #25 September 28, 2007 Please concentrate on the topic and do not go after individuals. (Goes for everyone on this thread.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
