Scary story. Good ole US of A

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http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-nyroc245387882sep24,0,2760679.story Thoughts, comments?

I hold it true, whate'er befall;
I feel it, when I sorrow most;
'Tis better to have loved and lost
Than never to have loved at all.

[kallend 2,150]

www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2953989#2953989

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[rushmc 23]

She may learn one day who was following her, if anybody really was.

I do not know either way. Neither do you or the "reporter" who wrote the article.

kallend, you ask for proof and sources yet you acept this at face value?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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kallend, you ask for proof and sources yet you acept this at face value?

Well, considering the Pentagon's history of spying on activists and keeping their information in a database, these stories don't sound so far fetched.

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She may learn one day who was following her, if anybody really was.

I do not know either way. Neither do you or the "reporter" who wrote the article.

kallend, you ask for proof and sources yet you acept this at face value?

Pentagon Tracked at Least 186 Anti-Military Protests


NEW YORK - The American Civil Liberties Union today released a new report revealing that the Pentagon monitored at least 186 anti-military protests in the United States and collected more than 2,800 reports involving Americans in an anti-terrorist threat database.

“It cannot be an accident or coincidence that nearly 200 anti-war protests ended up in a Pentagon threat database,” said Ann Beeson, Associate Legal Director of the ACLU. “This unchecked surveillance is part of a broad pattern of the Bush administration using ‘national security’ as an excuse to run roughshod over the privacy and free speech rights of Americans.”

The ACLU report reviews hundreds of pages of Defense Department documents obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed last year. The documents revealed that the surveillance of peace groups and anti-war activists was more widespread than previously known.

The latest document obtained by the ACLU, and released today, is an undated 2006 memo reviewing the Defense Department’s Threat and Local Observation Notice (TALON) database, which was found to list several peaceful protesters as potential threats to the military. According to the memo, as of February 10, 2006, the Defense Department had deleted 186 TALON reports that involved “anti-military protests or demonstrations in the U.S.” In addition, the Defense Department identified 2,821 TALON reports remaining in the database that contain what the Department describes as “U.S. person information,” but it is unclear whether those reports pertain to protest activities.

The memo also states that “personnel from 28 organizations were authorized to use TALON” and 3,589 users have been authorized to submit TALON reports or access the database. Because of such wide access to the database, even deleted reports may still appear in the files of other government agencies, the ACLU said.

The ACLU said the Pentagon’s misuse of the TALON database is just one example of increased government surveillance of innocent Americans. With the help of phone companies, the National Security Agency has been conducting warrantless wiretapping of U.S. phones and reading the e-mails of countless Americans, all without a warrant. The FBI has gathered information about peace activists and recruited confidential informants inside lawful advocacy organizations like Greenpeace and PETA. Less than a month ago, President Bush signed a statement declaring that he is authorized to open the domestic mail of American citizens without a warrant. This weekend, The New York Times revealed that the Pentagon has been using “National Security Letters” to obtain banking and credit records of hundreds of Americans.

“Congress should not let this president off the hook for inappropriate surveillance by the Pentagon,” said Caroline Fredrickson, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. “Americans must once again be confident we can exercise our constitutionally protected right to protest without becoming the subject of a secret government file.”

In response to the ACLU’s FOIA requests filed on February 1, 2006, the Defense Department has released dozens of TALON reports that were compiled on Americans. Many of the reports focus on anti-military recruitment events and protests, including activities organized by the Quaker organization American Friends Service Committee, United for Peace and Justice, Veterans for Peace, and Catholic Worker. The TALON reports tracked events in 13 states and the District of Columbia: Alabama, California, Georgia, Florida, Illinois, Louisiana, Massachusetts, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Texas.

The ACLU said that, even though the Defense Department has conceded that much of this information should not have been retained in its TALON database, there are still many unanswered questions.

“We do not know whether the Department of Defense maintains other threat databases that include similar information, nor whether Department of Defense personnel are engaged in other information-gathering about United States citizens,” said the ACLU in its report. “We do not know the extent to which other federal agencies might have been involved in collecting this information. We do not know whether the information improperly included in the TALON database was distributed to other government agencies.”

The report added, “we have only the Pentagon’s word that the errors and misjudgments that led to widespread surveillance of U.S. citizens have been corrected.”

The ACLU report, No Real Threat: The Pentagon’s Secret Database on Peaceful Protest, is available online at: www.aclu.org/safefree/spyfiles/27988pub20070117.html

The Pentagon document released today as a result of the ACLU lawsuit is online at: www.aclu.org/safefree/spyfiles/28021lgl20070117.html

More information on government surveillance is online at: www.aclu.org/spyfiles

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[Tink1717 2]

Yet ANOTHER reason to never vote republican.

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[kallend 2,150]

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She may learn one day who was following her, if anybody really was.

I do not know either way. Neither do you or the "reporter" who wrote the article.

kallend, you ask for proof and sources yet you acept this at face value?

Hey Rush,

Here's an article from your favorite source, Newsmax, in 2002:

Keep America America!

Reagan believed that America’s greatness lay in her freedom. Had we taken the route of becoming a heavily militarized police state – in a quest to defeat the Soviets – we would most assuredly have laid the groundwork for our own demise as a republic. Reagan favored empowering the FBI and CIA within the framework of existing laws and structures. He did not favor massive government bureaucracies; in fact, Reagan always saw government as more of a problem than a solution.

Here the Bush administration has taken a very different view. The USA PATRIOT Act gives the federal government sweeping powers over citizens, and the new Homeland Security Department will be a new, massive federal bureaucracy.

Reagan likely would have questioned such moves.

None of the Sept. 11 hijackers were U.S. citizens. So why should U.S. citizens be spied upon and have their civil liberties curtailed?

The FBI and CIA could have prevented Sept. 11 and had all the power necessary to infiltrate and thwart the terrorist networks. Why should they have new powers, and how does a new federal agency fix the problem of bureaucratic malfeasance and negligence?

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Do either of the stories you posted show who followed this woman?

[kallend 2,150]

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Do either of the stories you posted show who followed this woman?

If you read them, you will know.

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Do either of the stories you posted show who followed this woman?

No. But they answer Rush's question.

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Do either of the stories you posted show who followed this woman?

If you read them, you will know.

Is this like that Colin Powell / My Lai nonsense you were claiming a while back?

[kallend 2,150]

The answer is here:

www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2864567#2864567

or maybe it's here.

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[rushmc 23]

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Yet ANOTHER reason to never vote republican.

File gate????

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

While it appears there have been abuses I will never call the ACLU a good or reliable source

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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While it appears there have been abuses I will never call the ACLU a good or reliable source

Why not? Didn't they offer to rush to Rush's rescue. How much more fair and balanced can you get than that?

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While it appears there have been abuses I will never call the ACLU a good or reliable source

Why not? Didn't they offer to rush to Rush's rescue. How much more fair and balanced can you get than that?

10 years ago, (maybe even less) I would have listened to what they have to say or provide. Not anymore.

I am not defending the Pentagon either however, we have only one side of the story. Don't want to support another Murtha slander claim do you? I will wait to see more info as I try to do on most of these types of stories

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

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While it appears there have been abuses I will never call the ACLU a good or reliable source

Why not? Didn't they offer to rush to Rush's rescue. How much more fair and balanced can you get than that?

10 years ago, (maybe even less) I would have listened to what they have to say or provide. Not anymore.

I am not defending the Pentagon either however, we have only one side of the story. Don't want to support another Murtha slander claim do you? I will wait to see more info as I try to do on most of these types of stories

What did you think of the Newsmax article I quoted?

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[kallend 2,150]

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While it appears there have been abuses I will never call the ACLU a good or reliable source

Do you believe the information from the Pentagon reports obtained by FOIA?

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The answer is here:

www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=2864567#2864567

or maybe it's here.

LOL I love this shit!

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The soldier had written about rumors of a massacre that Americal Division soldiers had committed in the hamlet of My Lai 4 in South Vietnam. Although he did not mention My Lai in the letter

Pure gold!

And check out what sourcewatch has to say about one of the authors of that piece.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ted_Sampley

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While it appears there have been abuses I will never call the ACLU a good or reliable source

Why not? Didn't they offer to rush to Rush's rescue. How much more fair and balanced can you get than that?

10 years ago, (maybe even less) I would have listened to what they have to say or provide. Not anymore.

I am not defending the Pentagon either however, we have only one side of the story. Don't want to support another Murtha slander claim do you? I will wait to see more info as I try to do on most of these types of stories

What did you think of the Newsmax article I quoted?

Interesting. One persons opinion but who wrote it?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,150]

Didn't approve of that one, try this one.
www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html

Is Powell your uncle or something?

Added: you might also read "Four Hours in My Lai", Bilton, Michael and Sim, Kevin. Viking (New York), 1992

And in Powell's own words, shortly after the massacre:

"Although there may be isolated cases of mistreatment of civilians and POWs this by no means
reflects the general attitude throughout the division. In direct refutation of this portrayal (by Tom Glen) is the fact that relations between American soldiers
and the Vietnamese are excellent."

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Didn't approve of that one, try this one.
www.consortiumnews.com/archive/colin3.html

Is Powell your uncle or something?

Swing away, slugger. whiff

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Added: you might also read "Four Hours in My Lai", Bilton, Michael and Sim, Kevin. Viking (New York), 1992

And in Powell's own words, shortly after the massacre:

LOL I love this stuff!

"Shortly after the massacre"? like the dust was still settling when Powell looked into a non-specific claim?

My Lai happened in March '68. Powell didn't even get to Vietnam (actually he was returning) until four and a half months later.

Yeah - this guy's really unbiased.

And you keep trying to back up this unproven myth.

[kallend 2,150]

Get back to me after you've taken a course in set theory.

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Just because the rooster crows at dawn....