Israel Raids Syrian Nuke Site?

[Erroll 80]

From Sky News

"Israeli jets reportedly entered Syrian airspace at supersonic speed, before bombing and destroying the facility"

"The risk of war explains Israel's refusal to publicly admit what it has done. That could force Syria's hand and give it no option but to go to war with Israel."

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From Sky News

"Israeli jets reportedly entered Syrian airspace at supersonic speed, before bombing and destroying the facility"

"The risk of war explains Israel's refusal to publicly admit what it has done. That could force Syria's hand and give it no option but to go to war with Israel."

I read about it on the BBC yesterday. There seems to be some possible concern with potential nuke storage and possibly North Korea. I don't know for sure. Regardless, Israel attacked Syria. If Syria responds what do you want to be that they'll bet blamed for starting a war?

[BillyVance 35]

Israel also attacked and bombed a suspected nuclear facility under construction in Iraq years ago. Saddam Hussein didn't go to war with Israel then. I can't imagine Syria would do it either, but I dunno. I don't think they can fight a conventional war against Israel and have any hope of winning.

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potential nuke storage and possibly North Korea

But, but, but... we have a deal with NK... or does it only pertain to nukes within their borders... Let's see, now... hmmmm... Iraq is a quagmire with no end in sight... S.A. is to build up it's arsenal with a 20 billion dollar arms deal with the U.S... Iran is threatening it's neighbors... Isreal is salivating for a chance to wipe it's neighbors off of the map... Pakistan is on the verge of chaos... Afghanistan itself is a mess and democracy but a puppet... the Coalition of the Willing have all gone home... Syria? hmmm... sounds like tick, tick, tick... BOOM!
How soon until mass war breaks out across the M.E.?

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When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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potential nuke storage and possibly North Korea

But, but, but... we have a deal with NK... or does it only pertain to nukes within their borders... Let's see, now... hmmmm... Iraq is a quagmire with no end in sight... S.A. is to build up it's arsenal with a 20 billion dollar arms deal with the U.S... Iran is threatening it's neighbors... Isreal is salivating for a chance to wipe it's neighbors off of the map... Pakistan is on the verge of chaos... Afghanistan itself is a mess and democracy but a puppet... the Coalition of the Willing have all gone home... Syria? hmmm... sounds like tick, tick, tick... BOOM!
How soon until mass war breaks out across the M.E.?

And some people wonder why people want to kill us. Wait, that's so anti-American. What I really meant to say is that the American people are safer and the terrorists hate freedom.

P.S. Let's not forget that as far as the arms deal goes, SA gets $20B, Egypt gets $13B, Qatar, Bahrain, Oman split $20B and Israel gets $30B, of which over 70% must be spent buying US arms.
That reminds me, I haven't seen "Lord of War" in a while.

[JohnRich 4]

I've been following all the news stories on this. It's a pretty amazing event, with all kinds of political repercussions.

Israel had special forces on the ground there to lazer the site in order to guide the bombs in. Just imagine how they accomplished inserting those brave soldiers way deep into enemy territory, unseen, to accomplish that, prior to the arrival of the jets. Wow. Extraction too.

And they jammed the fancy new Russian air defense systems while they did it. So much for that stuff. Ha!

They also had a giant diversion along Golan with a troop buildup to divert attention away from where they were actually going to strike.

This is the kind of boldness and effectiveness for which they are known and feared by their enemies.

Israel just issued a warning to all those who threaten their existance. Including Iran.

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>What I really meant to say is that the American people are safer and
>the terrorists hate freedom.

Well, if that's true, they're hating us a little less lately.

[Darius11 12]

There was a great article written in this months Playboy (no joke they have great articles) on Israel. I can’t find it on line for the life of me I would love to post it. If you get the chance get the magazine it is worth the read.


Basically covers how the American Jewish community tend to give a free pass to what ever Israel does no matter how inhumane. The article is written by Jewish man as well.


As for this off course the Arabs will be made out to be the bad guys even if this is yet another preemptive attack without reason and considered illegal and braking international law.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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"The risk of war explains Israel's refusal to publicly admit what it has done. That could force Syria's hand and give it no option but to go to war with Israel."

Syria isn't doing anything alone. Past history says they didn't do very well even with partners, and that was with the pre nuclear Israel. Plus they're denying the was an attack - did they sign the NPT?

And if Iran gets its facilities bombed - oh well. That's the price you pay for advocating the destruction of a neighbor. Sometimes the neighbor has a response.

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Syria isn't doing anything alone. Past history says they didn't do very well even with partners, and that was with the pre nuclear Israel. Plus they're denying the was an attack - did they sign the NPT?

Syria - yes, signed and ratified, the NPT, the 1995 renewal, & IAEA safeguards (additional verification protocol).

Israel - no, on all parts.

VR/Marg

p.s. for those interested in more on the topic, highly recommend Jeff Lewis' "Arms Control Wonk" (http://www.armscontrolwonk.com/), which has discussed the attacks, phosphate extraction & the insinuated DPRK connection,

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Joe Circione's piece at Foreign Policy's site (http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/6251).

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[Jasmin 0]

North Korea was a member of the NNPT too....as is Iran....neither is as transparent in their nuclear program as India, which isn't a member of the NNPT.

I'm not taking sides, just throwing some details out there

xj

"I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with the earth...but then I wouldn't recommend picking a fight with a car either, and that's having tried both."

[kschilk 0]

Syria, like Egypt and Jordan....exists only by the grace of Israel. Had Israel wanted to play hardball, thoses countries would be nothing more than a faint memory. With the way it went down, four against one...Israel had every right to wipe them off the map. The way I see it, it's just unfinished business...like a do-over or Mulligan. Syria can't seem to understand that if ya' keep yankin' on a mean dog's chain, you're gonna' get your a*s bit!

Something like 90% of Israleis are Russian or of Russian descent so anybody thinkin' Syria will find help from Moscow, might just be surprised.

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Syria, like Egypt and Jordan....exists only by the grace of Israel.

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Something like 90% of Israleis are Russian or of Russian descent

none of the above has anything to do with reality...

"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[GQ_jumper 4]

Isreal has countries on all sides of them calling for the end of their existence and yet people get upet whe Isreal makes a move.

A man puts a gun in your face and says he intends to kill you are you supposed to wait until he pulls the trigger and then fight back, or do you point up and say, "hey look at that!!" and then sucker punch them?

I don't agree with everything Isreal does, but if they take a few pop shots at targets of military value to keep their enemies in check, given their present situation I think I'll still be able to sleep at night.

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
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Isreal has countries on all sides of them calling for the end of their existence and yet people get upet whe Isreal makes a move.

Oh dont you know.. that does not count in their eyes...they have their preconcieved notions and buy into the propaganda of how evil the Israelis are... for what ever their underlying TRUE reasons are.

I think that is more telling than anything else.


I also do not agree with everything they do.. but their basic reasoning for all of it is to protect their people and never allow the same things that have happened to them all over the world... while trying to live within other countries and cultures. I highly doubt there would ever be any kind of Pogrom within Israel.. as it has happened in most of the countries of Europe....for centuries.. over and over....and more recently all over the Arab world after WWII

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Oh dont you know.. that does not count in their eyes...they have their preconcieved notions and buy into the propaganda of how evil the Israelis are... for what ever their underlying TRUE reasons are.

What "true reasons" are you referring to Jeanne? Isn't it possible that some of us who criticize Israel actually honestly tell you and show you where the criticism stems from?
Yes, very bad things have happened to Jews in the past, and that's an understatement. But crying "antisemitism" whenever someone points out Israel's crimes is a very dishonest way to argue a point. It's really no different than when Dubya invokes 9/11 every time he wants to justify his own crimes.

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Antisemitism is a FACT... and a whole lot of people who claim otherwise wont say it.. but their actions SCREAM it.

Defending oneself.. and going after those who have or will attack you is not a CRIME...contray to what some might want to trot out as their perceptions of those actions in a war.... that is not a crime
One must ask themselves...Does supporting the rabid antisemitic crowd that surrounds the state of Israel make them antisemitic.?

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Antisemitism is a FACT...

Agreed, and an irrelevant factor when discussing my posts.

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Defending oneself.. and going after those who have or will attack you is not a CRIME

Correct, but your definition of defense is the same one being used to justify the Iraq war, or more accurately, the Indian removal efforts of the US government. What is going on in the West Bank and Gaza goes way beyond anything that could be called "defense".

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...contray to what some might want to trot out as their perceptions of those actions in a war.... that is not a crime
One must ask themselves...Does supporting the rabid antisemitic crowd that surrounds the state of Israel make them antisemitic.?

Who is supporting a "rabid antisemitic crowd"? Pointing out human rights abuse against non-combatants, war crimes, and how Israeli policy actually hinders the peace process is not supporting antisemitism unless you look at it from the binary viewpoint of a Hannity/O'Reilly mentality.

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Correct, but your definition of defense is the same one being used to justify the Iraq war, or more accurately

Please do not include me in with any of the NEO-CON Chickenhawks who slobber all over themselves in support of this fiasco.. I have not supported it from the very start. It has done nothing but waste vast resources and kill thousands of young Americans for a group of incompetent greedy sycophants.

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Correct, but your definition of defense is the same one being used to justify the Iraq war, or more accurately

Please do not include me in with any of the NEO-CON Chickenhawks who slobber all over themselves in support of this fiasco...

You know... I was thinking your post sounded particularly NEO-CONish, too.

How ironic.

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Syria, like Egypt and Jordan....exists only by the grace of Israel.

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Something like 90% of Israleis are Russian or of Russian descent

none of the above has anything to do with reality...

I'm afraid history begs to differ. Israel IS the reality and it could be a harsh one, for some.

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Please do not include me in with any of the NEO-CON Chickenhawks who slobber all over themselves in support of this fiasco.. I have not supported it from the very start. It has done nothing but waste vast resources and kill thousands of young Americans for a group of incompetent greedy sycophants.

In another thread you said:

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Like it or not the US is involved in the affairs of the countries of this planet. THe US does things for its own interests.. BUT those interests tend to have stabilized this planet and prevented any major wars for the last 60 years or so..... or would you prefer to be speaking Japanese right now... that a HELL of a lot of dead young Americans prevented.

Yes it has cost American lives... perhaps all the other countries of the world that preach peace need to step up and shed some of their fucking blood for once..

Curious.

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I'm afraid history begs to differ. Israel IS the reality and it could be a harsh one, for some.

no doubt, and I hope Israel will stay a reality.
i was just saying that Egypt and Syria don't need Israel's grace in order to exist and that saying the 90% of Israelis are Russians is simply not true.
that's all
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"Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero."

[Gawain 0]

What I think is most significant about this is that Syria reportedly has high-end Russian hardware designed around air-defense.

If this was a real strike (not a breach as Syria claims):

With what is very reliable, capable, lethal, yet dated hardware (F-15s, F-4s, etc), Israel was able to infiltrate and evade Syrian air defenses, make a strike, and evade those defenses again during the ex-fil.

edit to add: if the map from the new article is correct, even more significant is that Turkey would have had a hand in enabling the strike to happen.

I am guessing that similar air-defense technology exists in Iran and DPRK.

So I try and I scream and I beg and I sigh
Just to prove I'm alive, and it's alright
'Cause tonight there's a way I'll make light of my treacherous life
Make light!

[Amazon 7]

You pulled something from a thread about Afghanistan... so support a position about Iraq???

I supported and still support our efforts to remove AlQuada and the Taliban... you know.. the people who actually did attack us.. If the BOZO in the White House had ever run a company successfully perhaps he could have stayed on track and finished a job just for once. Instead.. he went running off to Iraq in search of personal wealth for his family and the pocklets of all of this oil buddies in the PNAC.