Movie: "The Brave One"

[kelpdiver 2]

knaves is an archaic word. If you mean criminals, use it.

We had this conversation before. I know you're familar with search, so go to it.

It's, as typical for you, an irrelevent tangent. Criminals will always have guns even when there is no legal supply. And there's no way to eliminate 300M guns from the supply. Gun control advocates clearly have started their desire for a total ban and only hemmed on that stance when they got their ass handed to them in the 2000 election.

[JohnRich 4]

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For instance, even in the above example, you've choosen the SECOND time she uses a gun to kill somebody, not the first. The FIRST time she kills somebody she is in a situation she absolutely did not consciously choose to be in, but is simply "reacting" with her newly gotten weapon.

Sure. That was but the beginning of the whole evolution of her psyche shown in the movie:

1) Central Park: Victim of brutal beating.
2) Convenience store: Witness to murder, about to be killed herself, shoots in self-defense.
3) Subway: Chose not to escape when she could, knife put to her throat, shoots in self defense.
4) Hooker: Tried to save a drugged-up hooker from a pimp. Used gun to coerce compliance. When pimp tried to run her down with his car, shoots in self defense.
5) Tracked down the bad guy as a favor for the cop, and murdered him.
6) Hunted down the four punks that beat her, and murdered them all.

Each of those was a progression from the previous, with her character getting more aggressive, and going from victim to vigilante.

Only in step 2 was she "simply reacting". In all others, she was actively thinking and making decisions.

What's your point anyway. Just come out and say it, and quit pussy-footing around. (I mean that as "treading lightly", and not as a personal insult.)

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Each of those was a progression from the previous, with her character getting more aggressive, and going from victim to vigilante.

Without going into too much detail, that IS the entire point of the movie; how easy it is to let the weapon give you a sense of power, that it is a corrupting force to not only the owner, but to those around the owner.

Does this mean that "every" member of the NRA is going to turn into a vigilante; certainly not. But this sort of power changes a person from one thing into another.

As for your "pussy-foot" comment, I don't think you will be able to find a single example on this web site of me ever taking a metaphor like that and trying to twist it into some lame "personal attack" claim. I know others do it all the time, but I actually can take a simple comment for what it is and not be a whining pussy about it myself. If I had wanted to swing the ban bat because of minor insults tossed in my direction, I would have done it a LONG time ago.

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[rehmwa 2]

As we all know, EVERY SINGLE weapon owner progresses just like this. That's why weapons are evil.

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Each of those was a progression from the previous, with her character getting more aggressive, and going from victim to vigilante.

Without going into too much detail, that IS the entire point of the movie; how easy it is to let the weapon give you a sense of power, that it is a corrupting force to not only the owner, but to those around the owner.

This is a fictional movie, right?

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This is a fictional movie, right?

Of course it is, but if you think nobody has ever had a similar story in real life; turning from victim to gun owner to vigilante (on a subway no less), then you're not paying attention. See THIS.

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[rehmwa 2]

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turning from victim to gun owner to vigilante

I agree with you, Quade.

I fully believe, that someone indoctrinated in a fear-of-guns type of brainwashing all their lives, could very well go through a transformation of that type. They don't have a realistic view of what a firearm is, nor do have any sense of how to 'responsibly' own one. I'd personally rather not see them anywhere near a firearm. They consider them mystical and out of the ordinary and confusing - of course they'd treat them like some kind of super talisman to fix all wrongs.

The shock of having their fantasy world blown up in the face of reality would be huge to such delicate flowers. I could see them crack under that strain.

The solution is simple for non-criminals. Anti-gun nuts should not be allowed firearms. Leave the rest of us alone to decide on our own.

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This is a fictional movie, right?

Of course it is, but if you think nobody has ever had a similar story in real life; turning from victim to gun owner to vigilante (on a subway no less), then you're not paying attention. See THIS.

A single case of vigilante justice from over twenty years ago doesn't really say much about "how easy it is to let the weapon give you a sense of power, that it is a corrupting force to not only the owner, but to those around the owner."

Easy? There's not too many real world examples on par with this film.

One key aspect of most psychological thrillers is the tapping into our fears, about extreme (and highly unlikely) situations.

You seem to be saying this film speaks to some universal truth, that we should be aware of. From what little I know about this film, I don't see agree. It seems to a bit of entertainment about an extreme situation.

After I see it, I'll send you my critique.

[billvon 3,078]

>This is a fictional movie, right?

?? No! The fact that she uses a gun in this movie means that she really advocates using guns, and thus is a lying hypocrite! "Fiction" means something divorced from reality, and from previous comments here, Foster's character cannot possibly be fictional. Otherwise there'd be no way to label her a hypocrite.

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turning from victim to gun owner to vigilante

I agree with you, Quade.

I fully believe, that someone indoctrinated in a fear-of-guns type of brainwashing all their lives, could very well go through a transformation of that type. They don't have a realistic view of what a firearm is, nor do have any sense of how to 'responsibly' own one. I'd personally rather not see them anywhere near a firearm. They consider them mystical and out of the ordinary and confusing - of course they'd treat them like some kind of super talisman to fix all wrongs.

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Make bad man fall down."

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[JohnRich 4]

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Without going into too much detail, that IS the entire point of the movie; how easy it is to let the weapon give you a sense of power, that it is a corrupting force to not only the owner, but to those around the owner.

Does this mean that "every" member of the NRA is going to turn into a vigilante; certainly not. But this sort of power changes a person from one thing into another.

It changes you into someone capable of defending yourself in extreme circumstances. That's all. Like scenario #2 in my previous list.

Hardly anyone proceeds to the vigilante stage. Just look at how extraordinarily rare instances like the Bernie Goetz shootings are.

Gun owners are quite happy to just be left alone, and to not go around looking for excuses to shoot someone.

If you don't like that explanation, then you're going to have to expand upon what this "other type of person" is that someone grows into simply by owning a gun.

Because as far as I know, I'm still the same old John Rich I've always been, and all my guns and my concealed handgun license haven't turned me into a mass murdering zombie.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Because as far as I know, I'm still the same old John Rich I've always been, and all my guns and my concealed handgun license haven't turned me into a mass murdering zombie.

But they have made you into an Anglo phobic.

[AWL71 0]

My guns have not turned me into a mass-murdering vigilante...yet. But they are trying. I have a Sig P220 that likes to have accidental discharges...you know the kimd you hear about on the 6:00 news. The accidental discharge that was caused by the dumbass playing with it. They always leave that part out. Been around guns all my life and have yet to see one "discharge accidentaly."

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[PLFXpert 0]

OK, I've thought long & hard about this.

That's a lie.

(Haven't read others' responses & haven't seen the movie.)

But, I can't help but think, "Are you serious?"

There are a billion things actors do in movies they would never support and/or do in real life. It's their job.

And for that matter, don't we all accept/act a bit different "at work" than in our personal lives?

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[kallend 2,108]

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knaves is an archaic word. If you mean criminals, use it.

We had this conversation before. I know you're familar with search, so go to it.

It's, as typical for you, an irrelevent tangent. Criminals will always have guns even when there is no legal supply. And there's no way to eliminate 300M guns from the supply. Gun control advocates clearly have started their desire for a total ban and only hemmed on that stance when they got their ass handed to them in the 2000 election.

So you DON'T know how many guns pass from "law abiding citizens" to criminals each year. It's available at the DoJ web site, and the number will surprise you.

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[warpedskydiver 0]

When you subtract he number of straw purchases from that total it is greatly reduced.

Oh wait, those would be criminals not law abiding citizens

[kallend 2,108]

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When you subtract he number of straw purchases from that total it is greatly reduced.

Oh wait, those would be criminals not law abiding citizens

Since you obvously didn't bother to read the thread, why are you commenting?

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When you subtract he number of straw purchases from that total it is greatly reduced.

Oh wait, those would be criminals not law abiding citizens

Since you obvously didn't bother to read the thread, why are you commenting?

Lecturing others about going off tangent?

Too funny.

[warpedskydiver 0]

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When you subtract he number of straw purchases from that total it is greatly reduced.

Oh wait, those would be criminals not law abiding citizens

Since you obvously didn't bother to read the thread, why are you commenting?

Damn you are like Mr. Bo Jangles

[rehmwa 2]

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Lecturing others about going off tangent?

Too funny.

"Too funny"?
"TOO FUNNY"?????

How can you laugh when we spend so much money on an illegal war?



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Lecturing others about going off tangent?

Too funny.

"Too funny"?
"TOO FUNNY"?????

How can you laugh when we spend so much money on an illegal war?

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What are we leaving for our children?

Massive federal debt!

An irreversably warming planet!

Oh, the horror!!!

[JohnRich 4]

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There are a billion things actors do in movies they would never support and/or do in real life. It's their job.

Right. Because they're more concerned with their greed than with their principles. And they want to tell everyone else how they should lead their lives, but they cant' be bothered to set the example themselves.

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There are a billion things actors do in movies they would never support and/or do in real life. It's their job.

Right. Because they're more concerned with their greed than with their principles. And they want to tell everyone else how they should lead their lives, but they cant' be bothered to set the example themselves.

JR, so, what you're saying is that no actor should ever be allowed to portray anything he or she doesn't fully accept or believe in their hearts and live in their daily lives?

Casting on Hamlet is going to be pretty tough.

quade -
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[JohnRich 4]

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There are a billion things actors do in movies they would never support and/or do in real life. It's their job.

Right. Because they're more concerned with their greed than with their principles. And they want to tell everyone else how they should lead their lives, but they cant' be bothered to set the example themselves.

JR, so, what you're saying is that no actor should ever be allowed to portray anything he or she doesn't fully accept or believe in their hearts and live in their daily lives?

I'm not suggesting that anyone regulate what actors can or cannot portray. I'm just pointing out the greed and hypocrisy of actors who say one thing, and then do another. And that goes to the amount of respect that the public gives them as a public figure. If they'll do anything for money, they don't get much respect. If they stand on their principles, they get more respect.

If the anti-gun Brady organization paid me a million dollars to star in a movie portraying how guns are a terrible thing for society, wouldn't that make me a greedy hypocrite for accepting money to play a role that is the opposite of my core beliefs?