Consensus on Anthropogenic Global Warming?

[sv3n 0]

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That convinced me...global warming must be real....

You can only put so much "crap" into the atmosphere.....there's a reason those chemicals kill people and other living beings, they're poison. So what kind of common sense is it to say they're ok just to dump into the atmosphere? Not very logical.

...and you're in violation of your face!

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That convinced me...global warming must be real....

You can only put so much "crap" into the atmosphere.....there's a reason those chemicals kill people and other living beings, they're poison. So what kind of common sense is it to say they're ok just to dump into the atmosphere? Not very logical.

You mean there aren't any natural processes to filter out / dissapate(sp?) pollutants?

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You mean there aren't any natural processes to filter out / dissapate(sp?) pollutants?

You mean a filter can't be overwhelmed by contaminants? You can suck up coal dust all day long and it won't matter because the mucus in your nose tha throat are supposed to be the filter for your body?

No. Natural filters can only ever do so much. Intentionally go beyond their capacity and you've done something incredibly stupid.

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[sv3n 0]

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That convinced me...global warming must be real....

You can only put so much "crap" into the atmosphere.....there's a reason those chemicals kill people and other living beings, they're poison. So what kind of common sense is it to say they're ok just to dump into the atmosphere? Not very logical.

You mean there aren't any natural processes to filter out / dissapate(sp?) pollutants?

Think about all the crap that get throw into landfills on a daily basis..........we recycle a very low amount of it and expect it just to go away. How many states require emissions testing? The US puts out more than half of the world's vehicle emissions......yet we don't want to raise the MPG on vehicles? The average mpg on cars in the US has not changed in 20 years...........is it because we don't have the technology or because there's people with lobbyists who want to make money?

Just think back to when scientists were saying cigarettes didn't cause cancer............who was making money off of the cigarettes? They were also the ones paying the nay-sayer scientists. It's the same thing here................the people making the money, the oil companies. Wow, they're also paying the nay-sayer scientists. Have we learned anything here?

There's a world organization on this.....they meet yearly. And they concluded that global warming is very real, but you want to believe the oil funded scientists? That makes no sense. Who's makind the billions a day...........the oil company or the world organization?

Things like this should bother all of us because it puts a bad image on the US......who's making the money, those people are the ones lying........"The United States, the world’s largest emitter of greenhouse gases that spur climate change, opposes mandatory caps on emissions..." from the NY Times http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/world/18nations.html?ex=1334548800&en=599119af2640e7b1&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

...and you're in violation of your face!

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You mean there aren't any natural processes to filter out / dissapate(sp?) pollutants?

You mean a filter can't be overwhelmed by contaminants?

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Natural filters can only ever do so much. Intentionally go beyond their capacity and you've done something incredibly stupid.

Thanks for the heads up.

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You mean there aren't any natural processes to filter out / dissapate(sp?) pollutants?

You mean a filter can't be overwhelmed by contaminants?

Nope

Was that "nope", a filter can't be overwhelmed or "nope" that you didn't mean it?

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You mean there aren't any natural processes to filter out / dissapate(sp?) pollutants?

You mean a filter can't be overwhelmed by contaminants?

Nope

Was that "nope", a filter can't be overwhelmed or "nope" that you didn't mean it?

I answered what was asked. You figure it out.

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I answered what was asked. You figure it out.

Isn't Tony Snow's position open after today?

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Either your reply was meant for someone else, or you're completely missing my point.

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I answered what was asked. You figure it out.

Isn't Tony Snow's position open after today?

I answered a simple yes or no question. Sorry my answer seems to be causing you so much confusion.

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I answered what was asked. You figure it out.

Isn't Tony Snow's position open after today?

I answered a simple yes or no question. Sorry my answer seems to be causing you so much confusion.

Oh I see. So have you stopped beating your forum?

[rushmc 23]

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Ok....then go with some common sense.

Take a fishbowl, it contains one fish, a cup of sand, and a gallon of water............now add toxic chemicals to the water and put a cup of garbage under the sand. What happens to the fish?

Or put yourself in a garage with your car......close all the garage doors and leave the car running while you're standing next to it and make sure there's a large ficus in there with you to filter the air. If it's ok then you will be fine.

I hope you are joking! Seriously, this is some funny shit

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Loonix 0]

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Ok....then go with some common sense.

Take a fishbowl, it contains one fish, a cup of sand, and a gallon of water............now add toxic chemicals to the water and put a cup of garbage under the sand. What happens to the fish?

Or put yourself in a garage with your car......close all the garage doors and leave the car running while you're standing next to it and make sure there's a large ficus in there with you to filter the air. If it's ok then you will be fine.

I hope you are joking! Seriously, this is some funny shit

Instead of making worthless posts like this, why don't you reply to my post to you? You asked for proof, and I posted links to an article and a site that would explain it all.

The point sv3n is making is that you can't expect that pouring poison into the sea and into the atmosphere is not going to have any negative effect on the environment. Trying to ridicule that, will backfire... It is quite simple logics.

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Ok....then go with some common sense.

Take a fishbowl, it contains one fish, a cup of sand, and a gallon of water............now add toxic chemicals to the water and put a cup of garbage under the sand. What happens to the fish?

Or put yourself in a garage with your car......close all the garage doors and leave the car running while you're standing next to it and make sure there's a large ficus in there with you to filter the air. If it's ok then you will be fine.

I hope you are joking! Seriously, this is some funny shit

Instead of making worthless posts like this, why don't you reply to my post to you? You asked for proof, and I posted links to an article and a site that would explain it all.

The point sv3n is making is that you can't expect that pouring poison into the sea and into the atmosphere is not going to have any negative effect on the environment. Trying to ridicule that, will backfire... It is quite simple logics.

I did. It is just a "worthless" as yours was

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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What makes it worthless?

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Loonix 0]

Instead of replying to everything with a oneliner, with no other content than an attempt to ridicule other posters, why don't you state your own opinion on the matter? In one post, to which I replied, you asked for proof.. Then you go on to ignore my reply, and post more of your oneliners...

So again, what is YOUR opinion?

[kallend 2,150]

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Instead of replying to everything with a oneliner, with no other content than an attempt to ridicule other posters, why don't you state your own opinion on the matter? In one post, to which I replied, you asked for proof.. Then you go on to ignore my reply, and post more of your oneliners...

So again, what is YOUR opinion?

His opinion counts no more than yours or mine. To the best of my knowledge none of us are atmospheric scientists, so it all comes down to "my scientist can beat up your scientist".


I do recall big business spending a lot of money to refute smoking/cancer links, and to refute links between SO2 pollution and acid rain. Primarily it's a delaying tactic because the truth always comes out in the end.

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[Loonix 0]

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Instead of replying to everything with a oneliner, with no other content than an attempt to ridicule other posters, why don't you state your own opinion on the matter? In one post, to which I replied, you asked for proof.. Then you go on to ignore my reply, and post more of your oneliners...

So again, what is YOUR opinion?

His opinion counts no more than yours or mine. To the best of my knowledge none of us are atmospheric scientists, so it all comes down to "my scientist can beat up your scientist".

I didn't ask for a scientifically based opinion, more a "which scientists do you trust" opinion.

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I do recall big business spending a lot of money to refute smoking/cancer links, and to refute links between SO2 pollution and acid rain. Primarily it's a delaying tactic because the truth always comes out in the end.

That was part of my point in my original post for rushmc.

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Replies like this make me even more confident that I am correct

THANKS

I can't help it if you can't see actual evidence as opposed to the propaganda you've been fed. I can't help it if you can't tell a credible source from a paid shill.

The GW Alarmist use ten times more propaganda then those trying to disprove GW. GW supporters are trying to prove to everyone that GW is man made by spouting out that a consensus of scientist believe so. In science there can only be facts , a consensus doesn't meet the burden of proof to be called a fact. To the GW supporters anyone opposed to their cause is just a paid puppet of the evil big oil. and they claim everyone that agrees with them is a smart independent thinker and not like the puppets of big oil ( but what they want is for everyone to be good little sheep and do as those that know best tell them to do and what to think, and with the help of al gore and most of Hollywood they have had lots of success ). Money for research has to come from someplace those that think GW is man made get their money from people and companies that think their way, same for those against.

light travels faster than sound, that's why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak

[Loonix 0]

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In science there can only be facts , a consensus doesn't meet the burden of proof to be called a fact.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=21429&Cr=climate&Cr1=change

Nobody is claiming that it's a fact. It's just an overwhelmingly large chance that it is. Would you bet against these odds, when the stakes are as high as they are?

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To the GW supporters anyone opposed to their cause is just a paid puppet of the evil big oil.

Which have been shown time and time again. In this thread, for example.

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and they claim everyone that agrees with them is a smart independent thinker and not like the puppets of big oil

I believe that the UN is quite independent in this matter. If you have reason to think otherwise, do enlighten me.

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In science there can only be facts , a consensus doesn't meet the burden of proof to be called a fact.

I'm not completely certain you understand how terms are used in science.

Technically, you are of course correct, however, there are plenty of things that don't rise to the level of "fact" in science that are pretty well accepted as actually taking place; for instance, the theory of gravity. Does that mean that gravity doesn't exists? Non-sense.

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[sv3n 0]

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Ok....then go with some common sense.

Take a fishbowl, it contains one fish, a cup of sand, and a gallon of water............now add toxic chemicals to the water and put a cup of garbage under the sand. What happens to the fish?

Or put yourself in a garage with your car......close all the garage doors and leave the car running while you're standing next to it and make sure there's a large ficus in there with you to filter the air. If it's ok then you will be fine.

I hope you are joking! Seriously, this is some funny shit

If you don't believe it would have an affect I would recommend trying the running car in the garage idea and see what you come up with.....good luck.

...and you're in violation of your face!

[rushmc 23]

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Instead of replying to everything with a oneliner, with no other content than an attempt to ridicule other posters, why don't you state your own opinion on the matter? In one post, to which I replied, you asked for proof.. Then you go on to ignore my reply, and post more of your oneliners...

So again, what is YOUR opinion?

OK, for the 100th time.
I believe the planet is warming
I believe man has little if anything to do with it (it is a natural cycle)
I know there is had never been (to date) an experiment conducted that proves man does or does not have anything to do with it.
I believe the pro GWing crowd (like Al Gore) are in it for money and tube time
I know I have seen crappy analogies over and over again that mean not a damed thing
I know computer modles of the weather are extreem flawed (those that predict GWing)
I can change my mind should I ever see something besides the CO2 is increasing, man is causing CO2 to increase, the planetay temps are riseing so, man is causing it bs.

That pretty much does it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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To the GW supporters anyone opposed to their cause is just a paid puppet of the evil big oil.

Which have been shown time and time again.

The key word is anyone.

Sorry Loonix, that dog don't hunt.

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I believe the planet is warming

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I believe the pro GWing crowd (like Al Gore) are in it for money and tube time

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