Wouldn’t you feel safer with a gun?

[juanesky 0]

Lets hope no one burst your safety bubble, that you seem to live in. You are the one missing his point. Surrendering to a criminal, as you think they will peacefully say ok to your reasoning is insane. Is not a matter of running harder of faster than they do, or trying to get into a reasoned dialogue with them, if they have weapons, be it a knife or firearm, or whatever, they are the ones at fault to whatever happens during the comission of any crime they do, is not the fault of someone legally defending hemselves.

Your ideas of crime self preservation are just bogus.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[sv3n 0]

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The guys take your "empty" wallet and walk off and nobody got hurt

Unless the scumbag decides to shoot you to get rid of a witness.. or just because he does nto like your looks..it happens... too bad.. so sad.

And a missile could blow up the gas station as this is happening.............there a billion things that could happen. Hell, they could all break into a rap video song and dance routine.

Which route is going to put you and everyone else in more danger, actively escalating the situation or letting it happen?

If you give no reasons to be a threat, then there's no reason for retaliation or violence. You can also be smart and lower the danger through communication......mention that you just saw the attendant call 911 and make a point to note the cameras watching the pumps. Try not to get fuel late at night and make sure if you do only go to gas stations that are busy and have cameras inside and out.

Think of this, you're walking with your child and a guy says give me your wallet...............are you going to start a fight and put more risk towards your child or are you gonna give the guy your wallet and put your child in less danger? You're gonna do what's best for your child, nobody is gonna put their child in more danger to prove a point.

...and you're in violation of your face!

[sv3n 0]

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Lets hope no one burst your safety bubble, that you seem to live in. You are the one missing his point. Surrendering to a criminal, as you think they will peacefully say ok to your reasoning is insane. Is not a matter of running harder of faster than they do, or trying to get into a reasoned dialogue with them, if they have weapons, be it a knife or firearm, or whatever, they are the ones at fault to whatever happens during the comission of any crime they do, is not the fault of someone legally defending hemselves.

Your ideas of crime self preservation are just bogus.

Notice how they didn't approach him with a weapon.....they said "give me your wallet"............he is the one who escalated the situation by pulling a weapon.

And you're not going to get into reasoned dialogue.........but a "the attendant just called the police and there are cameras" will get them to move on once the take the "empty" wallet.

Number one rule: don't put yourself in that situation to begin with.

...and you're in violation of your face!

[AWL71 0]

The best decision for everybody? This is not Alice in Wonderland. Actions have consequences. If I am threatened I am going to respond. Your solution lets the bad guys get away with no consequences and that is why crime is on the rise. We have to take a stand as a society against this type of thing. Otherwise it will continue to escalate. What you describe is a slippery slope. At what point to you stand up for yourself. "OK Mr. Bad guy, I will let you rape my wife and beat my kids but then you have to leave so we can have the best outcome for everybody." Example may be extreme...but at what point do you stop letting people act without consequences?

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[Amazon 7]

Personally I think if you tried to tell them someone was calling.. or say anything... you are probably going to get shot... on the spot for daring to talk to the idiot.

How about taking a 70 mile drive to the east.... Go up to about.. oh .. say....16th and North Avenue in Milwaukee.. Late at night.. and test out your theory.

[warpedskydiver 0]

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The guys take your "empty" wallet and walk off and nobody got hurt

Unless the scumbag decides to shoot you to get rid of a witness.. or just because he does nto like your looks..it happens... too bad.. so sad.

Well Jean, if the robber says gimme your money and nobody gets hurt, he just gave you his word, so why not comply?

Can we get a stupid icon?

Oh yeah and after they get the money and jewelry, maybe they want some pussy, or if they like the sex they take, maybe they wanna share with everyone in the hood, and sell your body for crack.

Oh boy wouldn't that be wonderful?

[juanesky 0]

So, if you are a victim to armed robery, it is your fault?.

Rule number 1, be prepared for survival, it is not a beauty contest out there.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[warpedskydiver 0]

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Personally I think if you tried to tell them someone was calling.. or say anything... you are probably going to get shot... on the spot for daring to talk to the idiot.

How about taking a 70 mile drive to the east.... Go up to about.. oh .. say....16th and North Avenue in Milwaukee.. Late at night.. and test out your theory.

Hmmm fertile hunting grounds.

[sv3n 0]

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The best decision for everybody? This is not Alice in Wonderland. Actions have consequences. If I am threatened I am going to respond. Your solution lets the bad guys get away with no consequences and that is why crime is on the rise. We have to take a stand as a society against this type of thing. Otherwise it will continue to escalate. What you describe is a slippery slope. At what point to you stand up for yourself. "OK Mr. Bad guy, I will let you rape my wife and beat my kids but then you have to leave so we can have the best outcome for everybody." Example may be extreme...but at what point do you stop letting people act without consequences?

That's right, the best decision for everybody. Actions do have consequences and by you chosing to pull a firearm out to protect your wallet. And you chose to put everybody else in more danger by doing so.

You were not in a life threatening situation.....they didn't tell you they were going to shoot you, they didn't say we're going to rape your wife...........they said give me your wallet. They didn't pull a weapon on you............you escalated the situation by pulling a weapon on them. And there are consequences for the "thugs"...call the cops.... they're on video, the cops do their job, and they go to jail. As far as I know, robbery isn't an offense that carries the death penalty.

Where do you draw the line....They pull out a weapon, that's intent to use it. That would be the time to defend yourself. By pulling that weapon you just gave them reason to pull one and a reason to catch up to you later with one in hand.

...and you're in violation of your face!

[sv3n 0]

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Personally I think if you tried to tell them someone was calling.. or say anything... you are probably going to get shot... on the spot for daring to talk to the idiot.

How about taking a 70 mile drive to the east.... Go up to about.. oh .. say....16th and North Avenue in Milwaukee.. Late at night.. and test out your theory.

You forgot rule number one, don't put yourself in that situation to begin with.

Personally, I know the "someone just called the cops thing works"..........works pretty quick.

...and you're in violation of your face!

[sv3n 0]

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So, if you are a victim to armed robery, it is your fault?.

Rule number 1, be prepared for survival, it is not a beauty contest out there.

If you put yourself in that situation, then yes.

But you're missing the fact that these guys weren't armed...........they just walked up to him and said "give me your wallet".

...and you're in violation of your face!

[piper17 1]

In my opinion, giving up your wallet in this instance makes you an "enabler". These guys will simply keep doing this and, eventually, they will resort to force and the use of dangerous weapons.

The fact that brandishing a weapon resulted in the ending of this attempted robbery illustrates how firearms in the right hands can deter crimes. I'll bet the perps will think long and hard before trying to rob another person...wondering if they might be armed and might be more willing to shoot.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition"...Rudyard Kipling

[sv3n 0]

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In my opinion, giving up your wallet in this instance makes you an "enabler". These guys will simply keep doing this and, eventually, they will resort to force and the use of dangerous weapons.

The fact that brandishing a weapon resulted in the ending of this attempted robbery illustrates how firearms in the right hands can deter crimes. I'll bet the perps will think long and hard before trying to rob another person...wondering if they might be armed and might be more willing to shoot.

They're not gonna think long and hard about this.........he just gave them a good reason to do this at gunpoint from now on. Talk about "enabler". He still let them go and the next guy is going to get a greeting with firearm with them twice as jumpy if the guy makes a sudden move.

...and you're in violation of your face!

[AWL71 0]

So I am the enabler since I let them go? That makes sense. And how were the cops going to help me? You guys wait right here why I go call the cops. Makes no sense at all. My safety is my concern. You go right ahead and rely on the police. Unless you have your own personal policeman they are not normally there when you need them. Your are a criminal's dream victim. Good for you!

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[rehmwa 2]

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In my opinion, giving up your wallet in this instance makes you an "enabler". These guys will simply keep doing this and, eventually, they will resort to force and the use of dangerous weapons.

The fact that brandishing a weapon resulted in the ending of this attempted robbery illustrates how firearms in the right hands can deter crimes. I'll bet the perps will think long and hard before trying to rob another person...wondering if they might be armed and might be more willing to shoot.

They're not gonna think long and hard about this.........he just gave them a good reason to do this at gunpoint from now on. Talk about "enabler". He still let them go and the next guy is going to get a greeting with firearm with them twice as jumpy if the guy makes a sudden move.

Hey Sven - Give me your wallet. If you don't, I'll feel like I need to go buy a gun to enforce my request.

I like your philosophy - just give whatever you have to anyone that walks up and orders you give it over. It's pretty simple and easy.

Give me your girlfriend while you are at it. I 'might' be carrying a pointy stick and I don't want to show it in public.

Give me your shoes. Give me your bank account numbers.

Thanks, see you tomorrow, I'm off to do the same to those helpless people over there. It's working so good.

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[sv3n 0]

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So I am the enabler since I let them go? That makes sense. And how were the cops going to help me? You guys wait right here why I go call the cops. Makes no sense at all. My safety is my concern. You go right ahead and rely on the police. Unless you have your own personal policeman they are not normally there when you need them. Your are a criminal's dream victim. Good for you!

I wouldn't say that you are 100% at fault by any means........they approached you right. But by pulling a firearm you escalated the situation, you then let them go, didn't call the police, and now the next guy will probably get robbed at gunpoint by someone with an itchy trigger finger.

You did take care of yourself.....but you didn't think about anybody else standing around or the future repercussions of those actions.

Had you gave them an empty wallet, called the cops afterwards, and the got arrested and went to jail.........they would be off the streets, no itchy trigger fingers, and nobody would've been in danger of a gunfight at the gas station.

A dream victim.....that I will be, up until the point where I can't be anymore. Hell take my wallet I don't care it's just a wallet, the watch go ahead it's just a watch. After they leave I'll call the police and they'll hopefully be arrested and in custody. But you put a gun to my head and that compliance will disappear in an instance.......before you know it that compliant person will be the one with the gun and you'll be restrained.

...and you're in violation of your face!

[sv3n 0]

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In my opinion, giving up your wallet in this instance makes you an "enabler". These guys will simply keep doing this and, eventually, they will resort to force and the use of dangerous weapons.

The fact that brandishing a weapon resulted in the ending of this attempted robbery illustrates how firearms in the right hands can deter crimes. I'll bet the perps will think long and hard before trying to rob another person...wondering if they might be armed and might be more willing to shoot.

They're not gonna think long and hard about this.........he just gave them a good reason to do this at gunpoint from now on. Talk about "enabler". He still let them go and the next guy is going to get a greeting with firearm with them twice as jumpy if the guy makes a sudden move.

Hey Sven - Give me your wallet. If you don't, I'll feel like I need to go buy a gun to enforce my request.

I like your philosophy - just give whatever you have to anyone that walks up and orders you give it over. It's pretty simple and easy.

Give me your girlfriend while you are at it. I 'might' be carrying a pointy stick and I don't want to show it in public.

Give me your shoes. Give me your bank account numbers.

Thanks, see you tomorrow, I'm off to do the same to those helpless people over there. It's working so good.

It's only material things.....now you start talking about people's lives and that's a different story. What's the point of getting shot over your wallet, it's just a wallet?

...and you're in violation of your face!

[AWL71 0]

It is not about the wallet. It is about the principle of protecting myself and my quality of life. The point has already been made. What if I hand over the wallet and the guys then proceed to rough me up or whatever. I am not going to take that chance. If you want to then that is your right.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[Royd 0]

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Simpe solution....When you hand over the wallet take out your ID so they don't get your address or just don't keep your id in your wallet and make it a point to not carry cash.....

Or maybe you could carry a second wallet with a little bit of cash in it, hand it over, and while their bitching about only getting 10 bucks, you pull out your other wallet and blow their ass away.

[AWL71 0]

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Simpe solution....When you hand over the wallet take out your ID so they don't get your address or just don't keep your id in your wallet and make it a point to not carry cash.....

Or maybe you could carry a second wallet with a little bit of cash in it, hand it over, and while their bitching about only getting 10 bucks, you pull out your other wallet and blow their ass away.

Your idea has definite potential!

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[sv3n 0]

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It is not about the wallet. It is about the principle of protecting myself and my quality of life. The point has already been made. What if I hand over the wallet and the guys then proceed to rough me up or whatever. I am not going to take that chance. If you want to then that is your right.

And at that point the situation would actually turn into one where you're protecting yourself. But as a gun owner who plans to use or pull a handgun in a public place........the moment that happens you have more to think about than just yourself because you're endangering everbody else in the range of that weapon.

If circumstances permit and there's nobody else around then that changes things too. But actively escalating a situation like that to one that involves guns puts yourself and everybody else there in more danger, which is not smart. Guns or any weapon for that matter are not smart to carry because if you do get into an altercation they are liable to be used by you or on you. Either situation is not ideal.

As I said, the number one rule is to not put yourself in that situation in the first place.

...and you're in violation of your face!

[sv3n 0]

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Simpe solution....When you hand over the wallet take out your ID so they don't get your address or just don't keep your id in your wallet and make it a point to not carry cash.....

Or maybe you could carry a second wallet with a little bit of cash in it, hand it over, and while their bitching about only getting 10 bucks, you pull out your other wallet and blow their ass away.

Cute......but in real life you'd get charged with murder as they were walking away and they didn't threaten you with a weapon.

...and you're in violation of your face!

[AWL71 0]

"As I said, the number one rule is to not put yourself in that situation in the first place."

So I guess we should all stay barricaded in our houses and never come out. You can't always guarantee your safety. Crimes happen in the good as well as the bad sides of town. You can't guarantee your safety unless you have your own private police force. That arguement does not hold water. You must minimize your risk. I choose to do that with a handgun. To date that choice has had no ill effects on anyone.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[AWL71 0]

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Simpe solution....When you hand over the wallet take out your ID so they don't get your address or just don't keep your id in your wallet and make it a point to not carry cash.....

Or maybe you could carry a second wallet with a little bit of cash in it, hand it over, and while their bitching about only getting 10 bucks, you pull out your other wallet and blow their ass away.

Yes, I am aware of that. It was a joke.
Cute......but in real life you'd get charged with murder as they were walking away and they didn't threaten you with a weapon.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

[Royd 0]

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............there a billion things that could happen. Hell, they could all break into a rap video song and dance routine.

That, right there, would be reason enough to take them out.