Draft dodgers Cowards, brave or other

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BTW please point out how Cassius Clay distinguished himself as being of the same sort of brave, selfless, and skilled individual, approaching the level of other fine black americans as the Tuskeegee Airmen, and many others who distingushed themselves when called to duty.

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There may be some people out there that give a rats ass about your opinion. I'm not one of them. So please go play your grammar school word games with someone else.

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I won't bother to point out what a steaming pile of bullshit your response is. Far be it from me to cure someones ignorance.

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Ohhh my pussy hurts!!!

You made no point. You like to play kiddie word games, and act like it's a rational argument. A simple statement of fact. No more no less.

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Kiddie word games again I see. You prove my point, thanks. No gay ass emoticon added

Impressive

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Cassius Clay is definately not a patriot.

Doing something such as dodging the draft and missing a few fights while in jail was definately not patriotic.

Yeah he was soooo opressed, being wealthy and using race as an excuse to not serve when called was disgraceful to all americans, and all american soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines, and a huge insult to all of those who served, and were black.

A Tuskeegee Aiman, he was not.

I guess some people thought Eddie Slovak was a Patriot as well.

In fact, Slovak may have been a braver man.

I won't bother to point out what a steaming pile of bullshit your response is. Far be it from me to cure someones ignorance.

Well instead of merely trying to bash my response, maybe you would like to clearly state your position, and offer facts in arguments against what I have said.

Otherwise you just sound like a whiner.

Oh my!! The third grade if you don't do x than your y argument. You Rush and your grammar school word games. What a crack up.

As I stated earlier. I feel no need to cure anyones ignorance.

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There may be some people out there that give a rats ass about your opinion. I'm not one of them. So please go play your grammar school word games with someone else.

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I won't bother to point out what a steaming pile of bullshit your response is. Far be it from me to cure someones ignorance.

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Ohhh my pussy hurts!!!

You made no point. You like to play kiddie word games, and act like it's a rational argument. A simple statement of fact. No more no less.

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Kiddie word games again I see. You prove my point, thanks. No gay ass emoticon added

Impressive

Sure is!!!!

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BTW please point out how Cassius Clay distinguished himself as being of the same sort of brave, selfless, and skilled individual, approaching the level of other fine black americans as the Tuskeegee Airmen, and many others who distingushed themselves when called to duty.

Who is this Cassius Clay you speak of.

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If your buddies went & jumped out of an airplane would you.......oh wait. never mind.


no seriously:
by your argument we should never question any war. If any soldiers are going, no matter how stupid the war, we should all go.

With that mentality the Government could just unquestioningly launch any war at all, no matter how stupid, and we'd all just have to march in there like sheep.

this is exactly why there shouldn't be a draft at all. It avoids this moral conflict.

You can question and vote all you want, but when you are called you had better be a fucking man, not a maggot.

You do realise that under your code of ethics those who served in the SS are more admirable than those who distributed anti Nazi literature?

Militarism and placing a higher priority on obediance than political dissent are hallmarks of fascism.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Your one warning.

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And your one warning. Everyone please chill out.

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BTW please point out how Cassius Clay distinguished himself as being of the same sort of brave, selfless, and skilled individual, approaching the level of other fine black americans as the Tuskeegee Airmen, and many others who distingushed themselves when called to duty.

Who is this Cassius Clay you speak of.

That would be the son born to Mr. And Mrs. Clay, who later decided to change his name in order to sound more Islamic.

I guess the name he was given was not good enough for him.

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Bill WTF am I getting a warning about?


That is rediculous

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If your buddies went & jumped out of an airplane would you.......oh wait. never mind.


no seriously:
by your argument we should never question any war. If any soldiers are going, no matter how stupid the war, we should all go.

With that mentality the Government could just unquestioningly launch any war at all, no matter how stupid, and we'd all just have to march in there like sheep.

this is exactly why there shouldn't be a draft at all. It avoids this moral conflict.

You can question and vote all you want, but when you are called you had better be a fucking man, not a maggot.

You do realise that under your code of ethics those who served in the SS are more admirable than those who distributed anti Nazi literature?

Militarism and placing a higher priority on obediance than political dissent are hallmarks of fascism.

Your extrapolation of my statements is wrong, and actually rather humorous.

Geez please try harder will you?...Please?

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Your extrapolation of my statements is wrong, and actually rather humorous.

Explain why it is wrong.

Young Klaus (or his parents, if he was too young to vote) had all the chances in the world to vote against Hitler when he was coming to power, but now he's invaded Poland already and Klaus' buddies are out there putting their lives on the line. Whether Klaus agrees with the ideal of European domination or not he'd better fucking man up and get out there to protect his buddies!

Explain to me exactly why that is not your opinion in the face of the absolute statements you made earlier in the thread.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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BTW please point out how Cassius Clay distinguished himself as being of the same sort of brave, selfless, and skilled individual, approaching the level of other fine black americans as the Tuskeegee Airmen, and many others who distingushed themselves when called to duty.

Who is this Cassius Clay you speak of.

That would be the son born to Mr. And Mrs. Clay, who later decided to change his name in order to sound more Islamic.

I guess the name he was given was not good enough for him.

You've guessed your way all through this thread, thats the problem.

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Well you used the SS as your example, only political zealots as well as Nazi Party officials staffed the Waffen SS.

Use this as a more accurate statement.

To have served in the German military during WWII did not make one a war criminal, in fact being a regular soldier in the german army absolved many men of wrongdoing.

There is no dishoner to fight on behalf of your own country in it's time of need.

Whether or not the reason why the war had occurred was just.

Regular Soldiers do not make policy, nor make strategic plans.

That is one of the reasons why soldiers are protected under the rules of war/Geneva Conventions.


If that had not been true the vanquished armies of this world would have been slaughtered en mass after being captured or defeated.

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You post nothing but hyperbole, and insult.

To make it more clear, argue the issues at hand in a more coherent, and intellectual manner, and you might make a point.

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>WTF am I getting a warning about?

"if your pussy hurts don't blame me"
"you just sound like a whiner."
"you had better be a fucking man, not a maggot."

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ok, at least you clarified that.

Well at least one part of that was supposed to be humorous.

Oh well.

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Well you used the SS as your example, only political zealots as well as Nazi Party officials staffed the Waffen SS.

Ok, my slip, make that the Wermacht then.

Did Germans who refused to be conscripted during WW2 retain as much honour as those who joined the military and fought for the Nazis?

Please explain you answer in the context of your earlier comment "You can question and vote all you want, but when you are called you had better be a fucking man, not a maggot."

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Well it becomes a question of your committment to your country, your lawfully elected leaders, whether you abide by the laws of the land, your confidence in the General officers of your military and so forth.

If you live in a country, and utilize it resources, benefit from the safety provided you and your family by the military, and are free to leave if you so choose, then it becomes clear that you MAY have to serve when you are called.

It may be the only time in your life that you are actaully asked, or compelled to do some sort of service, or duty to your country.

It is what has been called by many as the only thing you will ever have to do to prove your worthiness, and patriotism.

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Yo don't have to agree, or like something in order to understand why, and the importance of such.

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Well it becomes a question of your committment to your country, your lawfully elected leaders, whether you abide by the laws of the land, your confidence in the General officers of your military and so forth.

If you live in a country, and utilize it resources, benefit from the safety provided you and your family by the military, and are free to leave if you so choose, then it becomes clear that you MAY have to serve when you are called.

It may be the only time in your life that you are actaully asked, or compelled to do some sort of service, or duty to your country.

It is what has been called by many as the only thing you will ever have to do to prove your worthiness, and patriotism.

That sounds very much to me like you are saying that those who refused to serve in Nazi Germany were unworthy ingrates.

Now lets stop fencing around the issue. Answer a straight question, were people who refused to serve in the Wermacht during WW2 maggots?

Is it more important to obey your government than protest against fascism?

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It is what has been called by many as the only thing you will ever have to do to prove your worthiness, and patriotism.

Do you really believe that? Is serving in the military when called always patriotic? Is it the only thing you can do in order to prove your patriotism?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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You post nothing but hyperbole, and insult.

To make it more clear, argue the issues at hand in a more coherent, and intellectual manner, and you might make a point.

If you want that type of response you should try practicing what you preach, because your responses have been nothing but hyperbole and insults.

You get what you give

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That sounds very much to me like you are saying that those who refused to serve in Nazi Germany were unworthy ingrates.

Now lets stop fencing around the issue. Answer a straight question, were people who refused to serve in the Wermacht during WW2 maggots?

Is it more important to obey your government than protest against fascism?

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It is what has been called by many as the only thing you will ever have to do to prove your worthiness, and patriotism.

Do you really believe that? Is serving in the military when called always patriotic? Is it the only thing you can do in order to prove your patriotism?

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If you choose not to fight for what is right, but simply stay, and condone what is going on then you are not honorable.

Either fight when called, or leave and fight against a regime.

Doing nothing but lining your pockets, and benefitting from the efforts of others, has no honor in it.

Why the fuck are you talking about war profiteering? Do you think draught dodgers in Nazi Germany were in a good position get rich as a result?

I'm talking about those who would rather risk imprisonment (or worse) than be conscripted. Are they maggots?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?