jakee 1,595 #26 September 11, 2007 No it doesn't. It's using a small amount of anecdotal evidence to support a universal assertion. You'll need to do a lot better than that.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27 September 11, 2007 In my experience Moderates can USE their brain function to make their own arguments rather than needing Lush Rimjob types to elucidate what their thoughts for the week need to be Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #28 September 11, 2007 QuoteIn my experience Moderates can USE their brain function to make their own arguments rather than needing Lush Rimjob types to elucidate what their thoughts for the week need to be As opposed to spouting the drivel of the day from Kos or Moveon?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #29 September 11, 2007 Perhaps the Lefties on the site might read that drivel but I dont think very many moderates would bother with extremist sites like those that you love to hate. Or the Strategy Page Face it those on the right on here tend to be so far right that anything that does not agree with them appears to be leftist....including the VAST majority of people here who can THINk.. and pick and choose from the issues they can support.. instead of being so RIGID that you can only support the Far right agenda of the current republican party. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 September 11, 2007 Why do I get the feeling that this entire article about these newly discovered correlations between brain function and political views are really just a social experiment? Similar to; http://www.smithsonianmagazine.com/issues/2005/september/lesson_lifetime.phpquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goofyjumper 0 #31 September 11, 2007 QuoteWhy do I get the feeling that this entire article about these newly discovered correlations between brain function and political views are really just a social experiment? Similar to; http://www.smithsonianmagazine.com/issues/2005/september/lesson_lifetime.php Well, ya. Aren't politics social in the first place?----------------- I love and Miss you so much Honey! Orfun #3 ~ Darla Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #32 September 11, 2007 QuoteI asked someone "Are you a moderate?" They responded positively. Try it anytime, you will be surprised. Then I quickly jumped in with "Do you support abortion on demand?" And I get a quick no. So you probe on to what the persons position on abortion is and its about as pro life as you can be. Thats no moderate. They just want everyone to like them. Call themselves moderate to avoid confrontation. And on the other side, I know people who salivate over McCain in one breath "...as the moderate that this country needs." And in the next breath parrot Moore's accusations straight from Farencrap 911 against the evil AWOL doper Bush. That is not a moderate. There are no moderates. As a political label, its a misnomer. Now you might have moderate liberals as opposed to radical liberals, but I think you will find their core positions are about the same. And someone might call themselves a moderate republican, but I bet they are a liberal. In fact, we conservatives have a serious problem, because there are allot of "moderate" republicans. Look at the Coburn vote. Apparently there are twelve conservatives in the senate. Now, many liberals were in support of the War in Iraq, so its not a particularly good issue for the detractors of this theory. Conversely, it does not contradict my assertion because there were no moderate positions on the war. And certainly the modern conservative position is to actively protect our national interest overseas. So I propose to call all moderates just plain liberals. And to combat the ridiculous compassionate conservative label. Conservatism is far more compassionate than the enslavement of liberal socialism, and it was so long before needing the compassionate moniker. If you have to call yourself moderate or compassionate, you need to get comfortable with your beliefs and positions as a conservative. Otherwise, your just another liberal. Ah, another unabashed plagiarist brought to light. Have you no shame sir? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #33 September 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteNice words... Polly wanna cracker?????? You could have placed the CITE instead of relying on plagiarism of some other far right wing pundit. http://carlosdelfuego.blogspot.com/2005/10/illegitimacy-of-political-moderates.html I am not surprised. The point still rings true however. I don't think it does. If you're going to define people by a single "hot button" issue that has no middle ground, then perhaps there are no moderates... but people are much more complex. From a political standpoint, we are the sum of our views. I have opposed our going to Iraq from the start. I think Bush has done a poor job as our president. I think we should take care of our environment. I doubt you'll find anyone I've discussed politics with, who would describe me as a Liberal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #34 September 12, 2007 QuoteFace it those on the right on here tend to be so far right that anything that does not agree with them appears to be leftist....including the VAST majority of people here who can THINk.. and pick and choose from the issues they can support.. instead of being so RIGID that you can only support the Far right agenda of the current republican party. To me, the key thing is determining what defines a person as being a lefty or a righty. Based on what you've posted here, you seem to think anyone to the right of you fits that rigid, far right mold. I've always thought of myself as leaning right, but I've tried to distinguish my views from those less, as well as more conservative. I can get that there are conservatives that are less conservative than I am. I've taken several of those political leanings tests and they all peg me as a moderate. The Political Compass test and The World's Smallest Political Quiz come to mind. I'd be interested to see how the more active posters around here would measure up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #35 September 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteFace it those on the right on here tend to be so far right that anything that does not agree with them appears to be leftist....including the VAST majority of people here who can THINk.. and pick and choose from the issues they can support.. instead of being so RIGID that you can only support the Far right agenda of the current republican party. To me, the key thing is determining what defines a person as being a lefty or a righty. Based on what you've posted here, you seem to think anyone to the right of you fits that rigid, far right mold. I've always thought of myself as leaning right, but I've tried to distinguish my views from those less, as well as more conservative. I can get that there are conservatives that are less conservative than I am. I've taken several of those political leanings tests and they all peg me as a moderate. The Political Compass test and The World's Smallest Political Quiz come to mind. I'd be interested to see how the more active posters around here would measure up. "Centrist", with libertarian leanings.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #36 September 12, 2007 QuoteI've taken several of those political leanings tests and they all peg me as a moderate. The Political Compass test and The World's Smallest Political Quiz come to mind. I'd be interested to see how the more active posters around here would measure up. Post the links and lets all have some fun for once Oh hell I will do it myself. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #37 September 12, 2007 Quote I've taken several of those political leanings tests and they all peg me as a moderate. The Political Compass test and The World's Smallest Political Quiz come to mind. I'd be interested to see how the more active posters around here would measure up. Liberal Libertarian quadrant. I had some problems with some of the wording of the questions so I went hard line. They didn't seem to give me a good way to express my attitude towards big business. I believe in free market capitalism but not unchecked free market capitalism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #38 September 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteI've taken several of those political leanings tests and they all peg me as a moderate. The Political Compass test and The World's Smallest Political Quiz come to mind. I'd be interested to see how the more active posters around here would measure up. Post the links and lets all have some fun for once Oh hell I will do it myself. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ I scored: Economic Left/Right: -1.60 Libertarian/Authoritarian: +0.70 How about you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #39 September 12, 2007 My scores: Economic Left/Right: 0.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.44 Anyway, I guess it's fairly accurate. I'm pretty anti-Authoritarian & economically, I generally believe in free markets, but I'm not extreme about it. But I wasn't completely happy with how a few of the questions were worded. Maybe I should take it again & see if I can leave those blank. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #40 September 12, 2007 Economic Left/Right: -1.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.21 Yup.. fiscally I expect people to take responsibility for themselves.. Socially.. I think the government and church pressure on those IN government need to stay the hell out of people lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #41 September 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteFace it those on the right on here tend to be so far right that anything that does not agree with them appears to be leftist....including the VAST majority of people here who can THINk.. and pick and choose from the issues they can support.. instead of being so RIGID that you can only support the Far right agenda of the current republican party. To me, the key thing is determining what defines a person as being a lefty or a righty. Based on what you've posted here, you seem to think anyone to the right of you fits that rigid, far right mold. I've always thought of myself as leaning right, but I've tried to distinguish my views from those less, as well as more conservative. I can get that there are conservatives that are less conservative than I am. I've taken several of those political leanings tests and they all peg me as a moderate. The Political Compass test and The World's Smallest Political Quiz come to mind. I'd be interested to see how the more active posters around here would measure up. "Centrist", with libertarian leanings.I'll second that.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #42 September 12, 2007 Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 6.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38 This is interesting. These were my results March, 2006: "Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 6.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82" I'm still fairly close to where I was. My views are closest to Friedman. I like that. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #43 September 12, 2007 QuoteYour political compass Economic Left/Right: 6.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38 This is interesting. These were my results March, 2006: "Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 6.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82" I'm still fairly close to where I was. My views are closest to Friedman. I like that. How was this answered? QuoteA significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system. I am taking this as a leading question . . . I agree with the statement, logically, it makes sense that it would"cut the red tape" but I WILL NEVER condone a one party system - how do you answer this one? Economic Left/Right: 1.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:0.97 I guess I'm pretty middle of the roadI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #44 September 12, 2007 QuoteHow was this answered? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I strongly disagreed. I think delay is a GOOD thing - governments aren't in the business of freeing us up. Laws, by their nature, limit conduct. So if gridlock results in 50% of the laws being passed that could have been passed, well, all the better. A ten party system would be even freaking better. ANYTHING that gets done will have to be something pretty important, and the solution will have to be good. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #45 September 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteHow was this answered? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I strongly disagreed. I think delay is a GOOD thing - governments aren't in the business of freeing us up. Laws, by their nature, limit conduct. So if gridlock results in 50% of the laws being passed that could have been passed, well, all the better. A ten party system would be even freaking better. ANYTHING that gets done will have to be something pretty important, and the solution will have to be good. Right. I agree with your assessment in reality it is better - but i'd like to see a 4 party system. BUT - the statement is true - "significant advantage" would be that it would dismiss a lot of the arguments, but - ONLY IF - you prescribe to that for of gov't.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #46 September 12, 2007 I agree. The problem with some of the questions is that you have to agre with the basic statement as correct in order to agree or disagree that it is prefereable. This one question was one where I disagreed with the inherent statement and, even better, disagreed with it if it WAS true. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azdiver 0 #47 September 12, 2007 Your political compass Economic Left/Right: 6.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.82 im like halfway between blair and bushlight travels faster than sound, that's why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #48 September 12, 2007 What are you doing over here in the SC Turtle? Shouldnt you be in the Bonfire asking the ladies to show you there boobs? If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #49 September 13, 2007 Quote What are you doing over here in the SC Turtle? Shouldnt you be in the Bonfire asking the ladies to show you there boobs? Seen 'em all. I'll let them age a bit more and look again later. I just thought that I'd be serious for a while - mix it up a bit.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #50 September 13, 2007 Quote I'll let them age a bit more and look again later. You cannot let them get to ripe! They start to hang far from the branch.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
