akarunway 1 #1 September 10, 2007 Going to buy a new toy(s). Glock Model 32. 357 Sig. Best ammo? Anybody play w/ this one? Should I stick to the 17? And the Model 18. http://remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/18/index.htmI really want to play w/ this one. Hard to get your hands on tho.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #2 September 10, 2007 .357 Sig is actually only a really hot 9mm (europellet)The bullet dia. is .355 not .357 as the name suggests, it's basically a .40 necked down to .355...(actually the case is slightly longer) The idea was to duplicate the performance of a 125 grain JHP .357 Mag, as fired from a 4 inch barrel, at one time considered the best 'man stopper' available. The problem is it often gives to much penetration, the FBI test quoted about 15 inches average in clothed ballistic gelatin. The general consensus is the .40 is a more suitable allover round because it's heavier, has less penetration and is easier to handle in regard to recoil. I don't know about the Glock, but the Sig .357 is easily converted to .40 by simply changing out the barrel and recoil spring...The full auto Glock 18 WOULD be neat to have, I've seen one fired a few years back but never got the chance to try it myself. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #3 September 10, 2007 Quote The general consensus is the .40 is a more suitable allover round because it's heavier, has less penetration and is easier to handle in regard to recoil. Not nearly as much fun to shoot. The boom, the flash...maybe has no practical purpose, but my 229 is so much more entertaining than the Beretta 96 I now only like to look at. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sv3n 0 #4 September 10, 2007 here's some video for reference........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZtEuy07Lk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjUDCyDCuI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhqQubbiJUo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uYHfHQgihM...and you're in violation of your face! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #5 September 10, 2007 Quote The full auto Glock 18 WOULD be neat to have, I've seen one fired a few years back but never got the chance to try it myself. I used to have a full-auto Colt .45. What was disconcerting was that I never knew when it would slip into full-auto. I would just be plinking away and suddenly...BZZZT...it would empty the rest of the clip. I sent it back to Colt and asked them to either add a selective-fire button, or put it back to permanent semi-auto. They chose the latter."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #6 September 10, 2007 Quote Quote The full auto Glock 18 WOULD be neat to have, I've seen one fired a few years back but never got the chance to try it myself. I used to have a full-auto Colt .45. What was disconcerting was that I never knew when it would slip into full-auto. I would just be plinking away and suddenly...BZZZT...it would empty the rest of the clip. I sent it back to Colt and asked them to either add a selective-fire button, or put it back to permanent semi-auto. They chose the latter. Sounds like a problem with the secondary sear creating a slam fire. That probably scared the shit out of you the first time it happened. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #7 September 10, 2007 Quote Sounds like a problem with the secondary sear creating a slam fire. That probably scared the shit out of you the first time it happened. Actually, the first time it happened, I thought I had imagined it. I wasn't counting rounds, but I'm guessing there was one in the chamber and two in the clip, so it was a 3-shot burst. I was alone, so there was no one to confirm it. The second time it happened, by buddy was with me, and it happened on the first trigger pull. The muzzle probably climbed a total of 45 degrees by the last shot. You should have seen the look on my buddy's face.I took it to a local gunshop and told them the problem. Colt was really cool; They paid for shipping both ways, fixed it, cleaned it, and returned it to the shop packed up in in a new box, with NO CHARGES WHATSOEVER."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #8 September 10, 2007 Quote Quote The full auto Glock 18 WOULD be neat to have, I've seen one fired a few years back but never got the chance to try it myself. I used to have a full-auto Colt .45. What was disconcerting was that I never knew when it would slip into full-auto. I would just be plinking away and suddenly...BZZZT...it would empty the rest of the clip. I sent it back to Colt and asked them to either add a selective-fire button, or put it back to permanent semi-auto. They chose the latter. I had a Commanding Officers Model that started doing that! The first time was in a little apartment! I hit the slide release over a full mag and all 7 rounds went to the coffee table and couch...THAT will get the neighbor talking! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #9 September 10, 2007 Quote I had a Commanding Officers Model that started doing that! Mine was an Officer's model. Quote I hit the slide release over a full mag and a 7 rounds went to the coffee table and couch...THAT will get the neighbor talking! Ugh! The only time mine ever did it was on a trigger pull, (thank goodness!)."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #10 September 10, 2007 Quote Quote Quote The full auto Glock 18 WOULD be neat to have, I've seen one fired a few years back but never got the chance to try it myself. I used to have a full-auto Colt .45. What was disconcerting was that I never knew when it would slip into full-auto. I would just be plinking away and suddenly...BZZZT...it would empty the rest of the clip. I sent it back to Colt and asked them to either add a selective-fire button, or put it back to permanent semi-auto. They chose the latter. I had a Commanding Officers Model that started doing that! The first time was in a little apartment! I hit the slide release over a full mag and a 7 rounds went to the coffee table and couch...THAT will get the neighbor talking! Um, you might want to clean that firing pin every few years..... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #11 September 10, 2007 Um, you might want to clean that firing pin every few years..... Quote It was clean...it was just not very well made, the pin itself was either to fat or the pin hole in the slide was to tight...that incident was also one of the few times the gun ever fed a full mag without jamming. The gun was something of a collectors item, like I said it was a Commanding Officers model...A 'commander' bottom end and an 'officers model' top end. 500 were made in blue and 500 in stainless, mine was stainless and NEVER functioned quite right...I got rid of it. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #12 September 10, 2007 Quotehere's some video for reference........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZtEuy07Lk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjUDCyDCuI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhqQubbiJUo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uYHfHQgihMThanks. Now ya really have me salivatingI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #13 September 10, 2007 Quote Quote Quote The full auto Glock 18 WOULD be neat to have, I've seen one fired a few years back but never got the chance to try it myself. I used to have a full-auto Colt .45. What was disconcerting was that I never knew when it would slip into full-auto. I would just be plinking away and suddenly...BZZZT...it would empty the rest of the clip. I sent it back to Colt and asked them to either add a selective-fire button, or put it back to permanent semi-auto. They chose the latter. Sounds like a problem with the secondary sear creating a slam fire. That probably scared the shit out of you the first time it happened. Had the same problem w/ a Rugar. Learned to point the first one downward and # 2,3,4 were good to go.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Misternatural 0 #14 September 18, 2007 <Mmyeah, think I'll stick with my AK, It's uglier than a prop struck alligator - but I swear you could bury that thing in a swamp, dig it out a week later and the damn thing would still fire only when asked.Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #15 September 18, 2007 There were real world studies done on another website showing that the 9mm was superior to .40s&w and .45ACP in penetration. They used car doors, windhields, a stack of sheet metal spaced with 35mm film canisters for penetration tests. 9mm has be shown to actually be inferior to .556NATO in CQC situations where over penetration was a concern, and it usually is.Even 00 buckshot and quite a bit smaller overpenetrates when indoors. I like 9mm but you need to choose some good ammo for it if you want better performance. Hydroshock, Corbon, Black Hills HP, you get the idea. Besides, it is nice knowing you could have a 15-20 round magazine if you choose without being awkward. My Choice would be .357Sig So given that no matter what caliber you choose, count on it coming out the other side of your intended target. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steve1 5 #16 September 18, 2007 QuoteThere were real world studies done on another website showing that the 9mm was superior to .40s&w and .45ACP in penetration. They used car doors, windhields, a stack of sheet metal spaced with 35mm film canisters for penetration tests. . ................................................................... There's a heck of a lot I don't know when it comes to pistol ammo. It's interesting to read of tests and studies with different ammo. I always assumed that a 45 ACP and 40 S.W. would have not only greater knock down power but that they would also out penetrate a 9 m.m. I guess I was wrong on that assumption. I remember a big shootout, the cops had years back, where they decided they were outgunned and needed a bigger pistol. Most were going to 45's or 40 S.W. I thought one of the arguments for that switch was that a 9mm. wouldn't even penetrate a windshield at times....So maybe my old 9mm isn't so puny after all....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #17 September 18, 2007 Yep, always a cry for bigger etc., but shot placement is still the key. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #18 September 25, 2007 Quote Going to buy a new toy(s). Glock Model 32. 357 Sig. Best ammo? Anybody play w/ this one? Should I stick to the 17? And the Model 18. http://remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/18/index.htmI really want to play w/ this one. Hard to get your hands on tho. Had to deflower the new Glock 32 yesterday. Sweet. Kicks like a mule one handed. 50 rounds in a few mins. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #19 September 25, 2007 Shooting one handed is for emergencies, practice using a two handed grip, it will be instinct. What stance do you use? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #20 September 25, 2007 Quote Shooting one handed is for emergencies, practice using a two handed grip, it will be instinct. 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akarunway 1 #12 September 10, 2007 Quotehere's some video for reference........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlZtEuy07Lk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjUDCyDCuI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhqQubbiJUo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uYHfHQgihMThanks. Now ya really have me salivatingI hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #13 September 10, 2007 Quote Quote Quote The full auto Glock 18 WOULD be neat to have, I've seen one fired a few years back but never got the chance to try it myself. I used to have a full-auto Colt .45. What was disconcerting was that I never knew when it would slip into full-auto. I would just be plinking away and suddenly...BZZZT...it would empty the rest of the clip. I sent it back to Colt and asked them to either add a selective-fire button, or put it back to permanent semi-auto. They chose the latter. Sounds like a problem with the secondary sear creating a slam fire. That probably scared the shit out of you the first time it happened. Had the same problem w/ a Rugar. Learned to point the first one downward and # 2,3,4 were good to go.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misternatural 0 #14 September 18, 2007 <Mmyeah, think I'll stick with my AK, It's uglier than a prop struck alligator - but I swear you could bury that thing in a swamp, dig it out a week later and the damn thing would still fire only when asked.Beware of the collateralizing and monetization of your desires. D S #3.1415 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #15 September 18, 2007 There were real world studies done on another website showing that the 9mm was superior to .40s&w and .45ACP in penetration. They used car doors, windhields, a stack of sheet metal spaced with 35mm film canisters for penetration tests. 9mm has be shown to actually be inferior to .556NATO in CQC situations where over penetration was a concern, and it usually is.Even 00 buckshot and quite a bit smaller overpenetrates when indoors. I like 9mm but you need to choose some good ammo for it if you want better performance. Hydroshock, Corbon, Black Hills HP, you get the idea. Besides, it is nice knowing you could have a 15-20 round magazine if you choose without being awkward. My Choice would be .357Sig So given that no matter what caliber you choose, count on it coming out the other side of your intended target. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #16 September 18, 2007 QuoteThere were real world studies done on another website showing that the 9mm was superior to .40s&w and .45ACP in penetration. They used car doors, windhields, a stack of sheet metal spaced with 35mm film canisters for penetration tests. . ................................................................... There's a heck of a lot I don't know when it comes to pistol ammo. It's interesting to read of tests and studies with different ammo. I always assumed that a 45 ACP and 40 S.W. would have not only greater knock down power but that they would also out penetrate a 9 m.m. I guess I was wrong on that assumption. I remember a big shootout, the cops had years back, where they decided they were outgunned and needed a bigger pistol. Most were going to 45's or 40 S.W. I thought one of the arguments for that switch was that a 9mm. wouldn't even penetrate a windshield at times....So maybe my old 9mm isn't so puny after all....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #17 September 18, 2007 Yep, always a cry for bigger etc., but shot placement is still the key. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #18 September 25, 2007 Quote Going to buy a new toy(s). Glock Model 32. 357 Sig. Best ammo? Anybody play w/ this one? Should I stick to the 17? And the Model 18. http://remtek.com/arms/glock/model/9/18/index.htmI really want to play w/ this one. Hard to get your hands on tho. Had to deflower the new Glock 32 yesterday. Sweet. Kicks like a mule one handed. 50 rounds in a few mins. I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #19 September 25, 2007 Shooting one handed is for emergencies, practice using a two handed grip, it will be instinct. What stance do you use? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #20 September 25, 2007 Quote Shooting one handed is for emergencies, practice using a two handed grip, it will be instinct. What stance do you use? Standing. Beer in the left, Pistol/rifle/shotgun in the right. Edit for proper wording. "This is my rifle, this is my gun..."I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AWL71 0 #21 September 25, 2007 No stance. I just take a seat and the pistol accidentaly discharges. Happens all the time. I'm sure you have heard about it from the gun hater crowd.The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
