Skimpy outfit irks airline

[JohnMitchell 16]

Well, if you could see that high up, I think she was dressed inappropriatley for riding on a commercial flight. Now, whether that's a bad thing or not depends on many other factors.

When V and I fly, we like to dress up a little, even if it's vacation time. Nice slacks, collared shirt, you know, grownup clothes. But anymore flying is like riding a Greyhound bus. Sweats and flip flops are more the norm. I'd rather see this one woman in half way decent shape dress poorly than some of the obese nasty plumber's cracks from both men and women that I've been exposed to so many times.

[masterrig 1]

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Well, if you could see that high up, I think she was dressed inappropriatley for riding on a commercial flight. Now, whether that's a bad thing or not depends on many other factors.

When V and I fly, we like to dress up a little, even if it's vacation time. Nice slacks, collared shirt, you know, grownup clothes. But anymore flying is like riding a Greyhound bus. Sweats and flip flops are more the norm. I'd rather see this one woman in half way decent shape dress poorly than some of the obese nasty plumber's cracks from both men and women that I've been exposed to so many times.

All kidding aside, I really believe, the way you and V dress when traveling is much more appropriate. I recall, growing-up, my dad and I wore a coat and tie and my mom and sister wore 'nice' dresses when we went to church or when we flew. Your comparison to the 'bus', nailed it. When I fly, I wear a starched shirt and jeans and my wife wears slacks and a 'conservative' blouse. I guess, like so many things in life today, things have gotten a bit too relaxed.


Chuck

[BillyVance 35]

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Your right. They would let some cow with low riders and fat rolling out from under her shirt fly on. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

I really wonder, about some people's taste!


Chuck

yeah me too!! I wonder what she tastes likeand her mom

YEAH! Mom is pretty hot!


Chuck

So admit it, you'd hit THAT, wouldn't you??

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[masterrig 1]

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Your right. They would let some cow with low riders and fat rolling out from under her shirt fly on. What the fuck is wrong with these people?

I really wonder, about some people's taste!


Chuck

yeah me too!! I wonder what she tastes likeand her mom

YEAH! Mom is pretty hot!


Chuck

So admit it, you'd hit THAT, wouldn't you??

If, my circumstances were different... HELL YEAH!


Chuck

[willard 0]

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I just watched the video. She is pissed because she was made the center of attention for a while on that flight. But isn't that why she wore a short skirt in the first place...to get attention?? If they had actually thrown her off i could see her getting pissed, but not after she was allowed to stay on. Her feeling uncomfortable was her own doing, not theirs.

Bullshit, that sort or rationale is unbelievable

I happen to think your rationale is bullshit, so there. If she isn't prepared for everyone on the plane to stare at her ass then she shouldn't have worn a skirt that shows it off. It's not the other passengers nor the crew who decided she was going to wear that outfit.
HER ATTITUDE is a good case of people not accepting any and all consequences for their actions and the decisions they make.

[CSpenceFLY 1]

I don't think she cares if everyone looks at her ass. I just think she doesn't want to be called out in public about it.

[sundevil777 102]

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Imagine how bad that poor girl would feel if she wore that outfit and No one looked? Might hurt her self esteem.

Quite right! Some people (women and men) go out of their way to get attention. They want to know that they do it. I say that in general should not let them know they get our attention. Much better for them to be frustrated in their attempts to have their ego stroked. That much self-esteem and over desire to turn heads is very unattractive, in my opinion. I understand that many don't agree. Of course the unattractive wanting to turn head by wearing very revealing clothing is even worse (the bounty hunter's fat wife is a good example).

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[sundevil777 102]

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I don't think she cares if everyone looks at her ass. I just think she doesn't want to be called out in public about it.

Wanting it both ways is so disingenuous, I think. She's obviously an exhibitionist of sorts, but doesn't want to admit it.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[masterrig 1]

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I don't think she cares if everyone looks at her ass. I just think she doesn't want to be called out in public about it.

Wanting it both ways is so disingenuous, I think. She's obviously an exhibitionist of sorts, but doesn't want to admit it.

I'm sure, she'll recieve some amount of compensation for her 'trouble'. All that un-wanted press and publicity.


Chuck


Chuck

[willard 0]

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I don't think she cares if everyone looks at her ass. I just think she doesn't want to be called out in public about it.

I see your point, I think. Kinda like she wanted to grab everyone's attention, but didn't want to know when they looked.

[kbordson 8]

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I just watched the video. She is pissed because she was made the center of attention for a while on that flight. But isn't that why she wore a short skirt in the first place...to get attention?? If they had actually thrown her off i could see her getting pissed, but not after she was allowed to stay on. Her feeling uncomfortable was her own doing, not theirs.

Bullshit, that sort or rationale is unbelievable

I happen to think your rationale is bullshit, so there. If she isn't prepared for everyone on the plane to stare at her ass then she shouldn't have worn a skirt that shows it off. It's not the other passengers nor the crew who decided she was going to wear that outfit.
HER ATTITUDE is a good case of people not accepting any and all consequences for their actions and the decisions they make.

As much as I think that people should accept full responsibility for his/her actions.... I have to STRONGLY and LOUDLY disagree with you on this case.

1. Personally, I don't think what she wore was "inappropiate." Skimpy, maybe. But not scandalous.

2. What someone wears can NOT EVER be an excuse for someone elses thoughts or deeds. I have NO sympathy for the guy that "didn't want the distraction" - if he thinks impure thoughts, that's between HIM and God... and not because of her. She should NOT be harassed for wearing that, likewise nor should a rapist get off because of what a woman was wearing. The people that have the "impure thoughts" or actions are responsible for those thoughts and actions. Yes, she wore that... and yes she might get a little more attention - but she did NOT deserve to be publicaly humiliated.

3. Everybody wants to look "pretty" and get positive attention.... well almost everybody.... but in general. She wasn't wearing that to try to sell services.... she wore that cuz she thought it looked nice. Many seemed to think it did. Others with different values might have thought it a bit too revealing. But the Mormons think anything off the shoulder is scandalous... so should we also include those beliefs into the dress code. Or should "Keith" (the fight attendant) have had more tolerance himself. Where does the politically correct thinking end? I wore a bright red wig today... yes partially for the attention (it went with the whole pirate thing I was wearing). Most of the time I enjoyed the attention that it generated... and I knew my actions drew that attention - BUT.... if I had had actions against my person that would NOT have been appropriate, I would have been just as rightously offended as she is.

Edit to add a picture that some might consider "attention seeking"

[porpoishead 8]

WORD!!!!

scandalous by no means!!!

if you want a friend feed any animal
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[Remster 30]

Argggg Matey!

Remster

[PLFXpert 0]

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Ladies.. Is this where a skirt like this is usually worn or is it pulled down much lower on the waist that normal in this picture??

I have an old friend who moved near and I invited her to the dog park where we take Cruz. She has a foo-foo pooch, but to her credit she came.

She arrived in exactly that skirt.

I must say; it's more appropriate for an airplane than dog park.

Paint me in a corner, but my color comes back.

[kbordson 8]

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Argggg Matey!

AAAARRRRGH!

Good thing that I'm a pirate wench, who is capable of LOUDLY protesting to the arrogant scallywags.


- Now, read the post too. Don't just look at the picture!

[willard 0]

point #1) I agree 100%. But if she honestly felt the same way, why would she be embarrassed?

point #2) What others on the plane thought is not relevent. So we end up back at point #1 and the same conclusion and the same question...why would she be embarrassed?

point #3) From what I understand of what you wrote (some of it I fail to see any relevence) I can agree with exept for one thing. Yes, she wore it because she thought it looked nice. A skirt like that is also meant to grab attention. She isn't pissed because she was thrown off the plane, she wasn't. She isn't pissed because she was made to change clothes, she wasn't. She isn't pissed because she missed he important meeting, she didn't. She is pissed because she was made aware of the fact that people were looking at her.
If I strip off all my clothes and run through a bowling alley, naked as a jaybird, and someone yells, "Hey! Look! A streaker!" do I have the right to sue him because he put more attention on me than I wanted ?

[kbordson 8]

If point 3 was too hard for you to understand, I'll try to make it more simple.

It seems that you are/were trying to justify the harassment that she received as "her fault."

It was NOT.

Is that simple enough?

- it really pisses me off when people try to use the "she was asking for it" excuse.

[skymama 37]

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She is pissed because she was made aware of the fact that people were looking at her.

She's pissed because she was berated in public. Because of her age, I can understand how that would be upsetting to her.

She is Da Man, and you better not mess with Da Man,
because she will lay some keepdown on you faster than, well, really fast. ~Billvon

[willard 0]

I'm in no way trying to say it was "her fault" or imply in any way, shape, or form that she deserved it. She did not.
What I am saying is that she should not be surprised at the attention she received, though not the kind she expected.
Should she have been humiliated? No, but I'm sure that was not the intent of the crew. I also feel that she is overreacting to the situation, but I have a feeling you will disagree with me on that.

[willard 0]

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She is pissed because she was made aware of the fact that people were looking at her.

She's pissed because she was berated in public. Because of her age, I can understand how that would be upsetting to her.

With all due respect, she could only be berated if she felt her attire was inappropriate. If she truly felt there was nothing wrong she would have held her head up like she did on TV and stood her ground. Instead she begged the crewman to allow her to stay, offered to "cover up", and then felt ashamed of her appearance.
Her age means little. If she feels she is old enough to choose to wear revealing attire, she better be old enough to understand the implications of such. Stares, gawks, wolf-whistles, etc. are to be expected, yet it is the stares she is upset about.
Does she even KNOW what the other passengers were thinking? Maybe they were thinking the crewman was being a jerk and wondering why he wouldn't leave this girl alone. I know I would be.

[kbordson 8]

This is looking to get bumped to SC... but I really find the opinion that you're expressing to be WRONG.

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With all due respect, she could only be berated if she felt her attire was inappropriate.

WRONG! She WAS berated. Regardless of whether she felt what she was wearing was appropriate or not. She was called in front of the plane and publicly chastised.

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Instead she begged the crewman to allow her to stay, offered to "cover up", and then felt ashamed of her appearance.

This is not because she felt she was wrong, rather because she had no power in that situation. He (the male flight attendant) had all the power at that moment, and she was just trying to bargain to ensure that she was able to stay on the plane.


BOTTOM LINE - "Keith" was wrong. As an agent of Southwest, Southwest was wrong. She deserves an apology.

[mamajumps 0]

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This is looking to get bumped to SC... but I really find the opinion that you're expressing to be WRONG.

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With all due respect, she could only be berated if she felt her attire was inappropriate.

WRONG! She WAS berated. Regardless of whether she felt what she was wearing was appropriate or not. She was called in front of the plane and publicly chastised.

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Instead she begged the crewman to allow her to stay, offered to "cover up", and then felt ashamed of her appearance.

This is not because she felt she was wrong, rather because she had no power in that situation. He (the male flight attendant) had all the power at that moment, and she was just trying to bargain to ensure that she was able to stay on the plane.


BOTTOM LINE - "Keith" was wrong. As an agent of Southwest, Southwest was wrong. She deserves an apology.

I agree with you 200%... well said...

[airtwardo 7]

As an agent of Southwest, Southwest was wrong. She deserves an apology.

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Okay...perhaps...but "What If"

I called an old So. Cal buddy today that's a baggage smasher for Southwest, wanted to get 'his' take.

The employees have been asked not to comment on the incident but he gave me a veiled what if scenario.

The conversation went something like...

What if the skirt she was wearing was actually hiked up several inches higher than the way the photos and TV interview show...hiked up to the point her panties were visible when she was walking?

Sitting down, the show got even better it's being said...

She pulled the skirt down in the jet-way after being confronted, and didn't miss her flight.

Now 'what if' she maybe got some 'bad' advise from some blood suckin' lawyer(s) that figured a big stink would be an easy settlement...but said lawyer(s) failed to take into account that the incident happened in an international airport, you know...a place with maybe a hundred video cameras.

And 'what if' a few of those video cameras, (especially the one at the terminal security checkpoint) clearly show what many might consider a rather inappropriate approach regarding public decency...


I'm not saying THAT'S what's really going on here...just 'what if'

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[kbordson 8]

I'm not big into litigation and I don't have too much respect for the fact that she "lawyered up" but she still deserves an apology. (not 5mil in "emotional damages" or anything stupid... but an apology)

[willard 0]

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This is looking to get bumped to SC... but I really find the opinion that you're expressing to be WRONG.

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With all due respect, she could only be berated if she felt her attire was inappropriate.

WRONG! She WAS berated. Regardless of whether she felt what she was wearing was appropriate or not. She was called in front of the plane and publicly chastised.

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Instead she begged the crewman to allow her to stay, offered to "cover up", and then felt ashamed of her appearance.

This is not because she felt she was wrong, rather because she had no power in that situation. He (the male flight attendant) had all the power at that moment, and she was just trying to bargain to ensure that she was able to stay on the plane.


BOTTOM LINE - "Keith" was wrong. As an agent of Southwest, Southwest was wrong. She deserves an apology.

You have your opinion, I have mine. Neither is "wrong" in the sense that your opinion reflects your values and beliefs.
I still feel if she felt "berated" it was because she wasn't 100% comfortable in her attire. You are free to disagree with that.
I do, however, agree with you that SW owes her an apology...a PUBLIC aopology...and nothing more.