Skimpy outfit irks airline

[kbordson 8]

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I do, however, agree with you that SW owes her an apology...a PUBLIC aopology...and nothing more.

Agreed.

[airtwardo 7]

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I'm not big into litigation and I don't have too much respect for the fact that she "lawyered up" but she still deserves an apology. (not 5mil in "emotional damages" or anything stupid... but an apology)

Okay...an apology.

But an apology for what exactly?

Now I'm not saying you're wrong...or for that matter that SHE'S wrong or even that Southwest was wrong.

But for the sake of discussion, let's clarify why you believe an apology is owed.

Because she was singled out, and there wasn't anything 'wrong' with her attire?

Perhaps, but then again, 'we' don't know 'exactly' how she wore the skirt in question at the time the whole thing came down. It just 'may' have been a little over the top.(or bottom so to speak)

Because she's a woman and felt embarrassed?

Let reverse a few things...what if, a 'guy' walked on the plane wearing some tight spandex short shorts with his package straining to get out.
(think banana hammock)

Certainly cause for attention and likely comments from the fight attendants...and if it were a female FA that asked the guy to wear something else, would an apology also need to be issued, of would that fall under the heading of decency & common sense?

What would you think if suddenly HE 'lawyer-ed up' and started making threats of litigation?

All I'm saying is I don't think 'we' know the 'whole' story, and 'we' may be reacting pretty much as those hoping for some kind of gain are hoping (hyping?) that we do.

Personally, I think it's much to do about nothing.

Air travel is kind of a weird place these days (IMO), what the crew says goes and it's up to the passengers to get along to go along.

If it were ME that was asked to change something about my appearance (clothing), I'd just do it and go sit down, or book travel with another airline.

I always wonder what the real agenda is when someone ends up on the Today Show with a 'woe is me' story about a small matter such as this.

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Are you allowed in here????

[airtwardo 7]

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Are you allowed in here????

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[jenfly00 0]

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She is pissed because she was made aware of the fact that people were looking at her.

She's pissed because she was berated in public. Because of her age, I can understand how that would be upsetting to her.

With all due respect, she could only be berated if she felt her attire was inappropriate. If she truly felt there was nothing wrong she would have held her head up like she did on TV and stood her ground. Instead she begged the crewman to allow her to stay, offered to "cover up", and then felt ashamed of her appearance.
Her age means little. If she feels she is old enough to choose to wear revealing attire, she better be old enough to understand the implications of such. Stares, gawks, wolf-whistles, etc. are to be expected, yet it is the stares she is upset about.
Does she even KNOW what the other passengers were thinking? Maybe they were thinking the crewman was being a jerk and wondering why he wouldn't leave this girl alone. I know I would be.

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[Frenchy68 0]

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If she feels she is old enough to choose to wear revealing attire, she better be old enough to understand the implications of such. Stares, gawks, wolf-whistles, etc. are to be expected...

Not too long ago, rape could have been added to this list. Thank god, as time goes by, society seems to slowly realize that a way a woman acts or dresses does not excuse stupid behavior.
Whether a woman wears a thong in public, a US Marines uniform, or a plain ugly Kathy Lee dress from Walmart does NOT warrant whistles and such (except in porn movies).

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[Squeak 17]

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I just watched the video. She is pissed because she was made the center of attention for a while on that flight. But isn't that why she wore a short skirt in the first place...to get attention?? If they had actually thrown her off i could see her getting pissed, but not after she was allowed to stay on. Her feeling uncomfortable was her own doing, not theirs.

Bullshit, that sort or rationale is unbelievable

I happen to think your rationale is bullshit, so there. If she isn't prepared for everyone on the plane to stare at her ass then she shouldn't have worn a skirt that shows it off. It's not the other passengers nor the crew who decided she was going to wear that outfit.


HER ATTITUDE is a good case of people not accepting any and all consequences for their actions and the decisions they make.

what you wear should have NO that's ZERO "consequence"
this is the sort of neadethal attitude that allows asault and abuse to thrive "they got what they deserved" because they WORE something.
I'm not allowed to call you a dickhead so i wont, but I am thinking it.

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[jakee 1,564]

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You have your opinion, I have mine. Neither is "wrong" in the sense that your opinion reflects your values and beliefs.
I still feel if she felt "berated" it was because she wasn't 100% comfortable in her attire. You are free to disagree with that.

Uh, no. Words have specific, defined meanings. If your opinion does not match the definition of the word then you are wrong. Not right in a different sense, just wrong.

To Berate means to scold or rebuke - regardless of whether she felt she desreved to be berated, the fact is that she was berated.

Lets give an example - scenario 1) We're in a bar and you nudge my elbow and cause me to spill my pint, I turn around and call you a fucking idiot. Scenario 2) I spill my pint because I'm clumsy. I decide to blame you and turn around and call you a fucking idiot.

Is situation 1 the only situation in which I have berated you? Which situation would cause you to feel a greater sense of injustice?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[willard 0]

Why? Because i thought the crewman was being a jerk?

[willard 0]

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If she feels she is old enough to choose to wear revealing attire, she better be old enough to understand the implications of such. Stares, gawks, wolf-whistles, etc. are to be expected...

Not too long ago, rape could have been added to this list. Thank god, as time goes by, society seems to slowly realize that a way a woman acts or dresses does not excuse stupid behavior.
Whether a woman wears a thong in public, a US Marines uniform, or a plain ugly Kathy Lee dress from Walmart does NOT warrant whistles and such (except in porn movies).

Please go back and re-read my posts. I agree 100% that what a person wears does not warrant stares, gawks, whistles, etc. but it is a fact of life that there are tasteless creatures lurking around who do those things. For someone to wear a skirt that short and expect not to encounter such acts is unreasonable. It would be great if it were otherwise, but that's just not the case.

[willard 0]

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You have your opinion, I have mine. Neither is "wrong" in the sense that your opinion reflects your values and beliefs.
I still feel if she felt "berated" it was because she wasn't 100% comfortable in her attire. You are free to disagree with that.

Uh, no. Words have specific, defined meanings. If your opinion does not match the definition of the word then you are wrong. Not right in a different sense, just wrong.

To Berate means to scold or rebuke - regardless of whether she felt she desreved to be berated, the fact is that she was berated.

Lets give an example - scenario 1) We're in a bar and you nudge my elbow and cause me to spill my pint, I turn around and call you a fucking idiot. Scenario 2) I spill my pint because I'm clumsy. I decide to blame you and turn around and call you a fucking idiot.

Is situation 1 the only situation in which I have berated you? Which situation would cause you to feel a greater sense of injustice?

Sit. #1 of course. I would apologize and offer to buy you a pint even though you obviously overreacted to the situation.
In Sit. #2 I would be laughing at you for being a clumsy drunken fool. I would in no way feel berated because I would have been secure in the fact that I had done nothing wrong.

[willard 0]

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what you wear should have NO that's ZERO "consequence"

Agreed 100%. But the fact is that what one wears DOES have consequences. What should happen and what does happen are two different things.

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this is the sort of neadethal attitude that allows asault and abuse to thrive "they got what they deserved" because they WORE something.

Re-read my posts. Nowhere did I say she deserved or "asked for" what happened.

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I'm not allowed to call you a dickhead so i wont, but I am thinking it.

And I'm not allowed to call you a fucking asshole either, so i won't. At least not here.

[BillyVance 34]

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I'm not big into litigation and I don't have too much respect for the fact that she "lawyered up" but she still deserves an apology. (not 5mil in "emotional damages" or anything stupid... but an apology)

Okay...an apology.

But an apology for what exactly?

Now I'm not saying you're wrong...or for that matter that SHE'S wrong or even that Southwest was wrong.

But for the sake of discussion, let's clarify why you believe an apology is owed.

Because she was singled out, and there wasn't anything 'wrong' with her attire?

Perhaps, but then again, 'we' don't know 'exactly' how she wore the skirt in question at the time the whole thing came down. It just 'may' have been a little over the top.(or bottom so to speak)

Because she's a woman and felt embarrassed?

Let reverse a few things...what if, a 'guy' walked on the plane wearing some tight spandex short shorts with his package straining to get out.
(think banana hammock)

Certainly cause for attention and likely comments from the fight attendants...and if it were a female FA that asked the guy to wear something else, would an apology also need to be issued, of would that fall under the heading of decency & common sense?

What would you think if suddenly HE 'lawyer-ed up' and started making threats of litigation?

All I'm saying is I don't think 'we' know the 'whole' story, and 'we' may be reacting pretty much as those hoping for some kind of gain are hoping (hyping?) that we do.

Personally, I think it's much to do about nothing.

Air travel is kind of a weird place these days (IMO), what the crew says goes and it's up to the passengers to get along to go along.

If it were ME that was asked to change something about my appearance (clothing), I'd just do it and go sit down, or book travel with another airline.

I always wonder what the real agenda is when someone ends up on the Today Show with a 'woe is me' story about a small matter such as this.

I would much RATHER see the woman with a short skirt and tight clothes on my plane than some guy in spandex. The only situation that male spandex shit would be appropriate would be on a gay chartered flight!!! Boy, wouldn't Keith have a field day with that!

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[Squeak 17]

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Re-read my posts. Nowhere did I say she deserved or "asked for" what happened.

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***For someone to wear a skirt that short and expect not to encounter such acts is unreasonable.
HER ATTITUDE is a good case of people not accepting any and all consequences for their actions and the decisions they make.
Her feeling uncomfortable was her own doing, not theirs.

I dont know, i can see a few implications where you alude that she did "ASK FOR IT"

Like i said I'm allowed to think it

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My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[kbordson 8]

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Sit. #1 of course. I would apologize and offer to buy you a pint even though you obviously overreacted to the situation.
In Sit. #2 I would be laughing at you for being a clumsy drunken fool. I would in no way feel berated because I would have been secure in the fact that I had done nothing wrong.

I am glad that you are so confident and self assured. But many aren't. and if someone started yelling at someone else, whether it was truly their fault or not, some don't have that strength of character to defend themselves. She didn't. I don't know that I would (I would like to hope that I would, but I don't know)

Some would feel berated even if they didn't do anything wrong.

[jakee 1,564]

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Sit. #1 of course. I would apologize and offer to buy you a pint even though you obviously overreacted to the situation.
In Sit. #2 I would be laughing at you for being a clumsy drunken fool. I would in no way feel berated because I would have been secure in the fact that I had done nothing wrong.

OK, then imagine in Sit #2 that I also have the power to ban you from the only bar in town. Would you feel hard done by then?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[willard 0]

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Sit. #1 of course. I would apologize and offer to buy you a pint even though you obviously overreacted to the situation.
In Sit. #2 I would be laughing at you for being a clumsy drunken fool. I would in no way feel berated because I would have been secure in the fact that I had done nothing wrong.

I am glad that you are so confident and self assured. But many aren't. and if someone started yelling at someone else, whether it was truly their fault or not, some don't have that strength of character to defend themselves. She didn't. I don't know that I would (I would like to hope that I would, but I don't know)

Some would feel berated even if they didn't do anything wrong.

Again we agree.

[willard 0]

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Sit. #1 of course. I would apologize and offer to buy you a pint even though you obviously overreacted to the situation.
In Sit. #2 I would be laughing at you for being a clumsy drunken fool. I would in no way feel berated because I would have been secure in the fact that I had done nothing wrong.

OK, then imagine in Sit #2 that I also have the power to ban you from the only bar in town. Would you feel hard done by then?

Nope. I would go to another town where there was a bar that respected my business.

[kbordson 8]

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Sit. #1 of course. I would apologize and offer to buy you a pint even though you obviously overreacted to the situation.
In Sit. #2 I would be laughing at you for being a clumsy drunken fool. I would in no way feel berated because I would have been secure in the fact that I had done nothing wrong.

I am glad that you are so confident and self assured. But many aren't. and if someone started yelling at someone else, whether it was truly their fault or not, some don't have that strength of character to defend themselves. She didn't. I don't know that I would (I would like to hope that I would, but I don't know)

Some would feel berated even if they didn't do anything wrong.

Again we agree.

OK... I'm confused. I got the impression from your posts that you were stating that because she FELT guilty that she had something to feel guilty about. Which is NOT true.

A lot of rape and abuse victims feel responsible for the acts committed against them. That feeling does NOT indicate responsibility.

Just because she felt bad, didn't mean she was bad. (Maybe she was just drawn that way)

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That's funny. I wonder if she wanted to be this famous?

Well, since they have "engaged an attorney", she'll probably just get rich from a lawsuit.

(Cheap outfit+cheap airline)/attorney = $$$$

You can be reasonably sure her original intent was to be seen. The outfit screams "Please, all men please please please stare at me."

Though I'm sure she didn't count on all the fuss, once it began, she had to be absolutely delighted since it guaranteed more of what she wants most in life - lots and lots of attention.

And did somebody say the news program video was an accurate portrayal of how the skirt was designed to be worn? BS! I'm sure the reason for her not showing the back on the show was because it would have shown she had the skirt pulled at least half-way down her ass. Worn where it belongs, her crotch would be hanging out below the non-existent hem.

This is just some attention starved white trash waitron who has hit the jackpot by stumbling into lawsuit territory. The fact that her mom is supportive tells me the seed didn't fall too far from the tree.

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She is pissed because she was made aware of the fact that people were looking at her.

She's pissed because she was berated in public. Because of her age, I can understand how that would be upsetting to her.

She is or was upset because she got called for what she was doing - trying to attract attention; when in fact what she wants very badly is to attract attention and pretend not to be trying to do so.

"Oh, you mean people are staring at little old me?!"

Trash looking for attention no matter what it takes, and now looking for fast easy money by pretending to have been offended.

Pathetic.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[willard 0]

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I got the impression from your posts that you were stating that because she FELT guilty that she had something to feel guilty about.

She had nothing to feel guilty about but, as you mentioned and made me think about, she could be made to feel guilty if she didn't have the self confidence to stand up against the SW crewman.

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It is an interesting little experiment to read the thread about the "hot muslim swimwear" and the comments it contains about the treatment of muslim women by muslim men and then come and read this thread......