masterblaster72 0 #1 September 4, 2007 from here, from the right-wing Washington Times, for those who want to peg this article as leftist drivel. Not a long article, definitely worth reading in its entirety. Here's a snippet: QuoteA likely upshot of President Bush's meetings this week with his Canadian and Mexican counterparts in Montebello, Canada, will be a further impetus to the effort to engage in what is euphemistically called the "harmonization" of the three countries' economies, regulatory systems and policies. The effect will be to contribute to what is on track to become one of the most worrying legacies of George W. Bush's presidency: a significant, and possibly irreversible, erosion in the nation's sovereignty. Sovereignty is an abstraction to which few Americans give much thought. We take it for granted, like the air we breathe or the water we drink. Yet, the essence of the most successful political experiment in history — the United States of America — is the sovereign power entrusted by the people via our Constitution to our elected, accountable representatives. Unfortunately, such sovereignty is endangered by those who believe the world of nation-states is too disorderly for efficient global commerce and the peaceable resolution of disputes. Call them the Transnational Progressives (conservative wit John O'Sullivan coined an abbreviation he insists must be spelled Tranzies). They prefer supranational arrangements like the European Union, run by wholly unaccountable bureaucrats. Supranational government and a North American Union -- what do you think about it? Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #2 September 4, 2007 Quote what do you think about it? The winners are the large multinational corporations, the losers are the ordinary people.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #3 September 4, 2007 QuoteSupranational government and a North American Union -- what do you think about it? It's one more step towards burning our constitution, our bill of rights and anything else that was unique to our country. America, it was great while it lasted. But, all good things must come to an end, eventually. Missed The Boat by Modest Mouse While we're on the subject, could we change the subject now? I was knocking on your ears, don't worry, you were always out Lookin towards the future, we were beggin for the past Well we know we had the good things, but those never seem to last Oh please just last Everyone's unhappy, everyone's ashamed Well we all just got caught lookin at somebody else's page Well nothin ever went quite exactly as we planned Our ideas held no water but we used them like a dam Oh and we carried it all so well As if we got a new position Oh and I laugh all the way to hell I say yes this is a fine promotion Oh and I laugh all the way to hell Of course everyone goes crazy over such and such and such We made ourselves a pillar but we just used it as a crutch We were certainly uncertain, at least I'm pretty sure I am Well we didn't need the water but we just built that good god damn Oh and I know this of myself I assume as much for other people Oh and I know this of myself We've listened more to life's end gong than the sound of life's sweet bells Was it ever worth it, was there all that much to gain? Well we knew we'd miss the boat and we'd already missed the plane We didn't read the invite, we just danced at our own wake All our favorites were a'playing so we could shake shake shake shake shake Tiny curtains opened And we heard the tiny clap of little hands A tiny man would tell a little joke And get a tiny laugh from all them folks Sittin drifting round on bubbles then Thinkin it was us that carried them When we finally got it figured out That we had truly missed the boat Oh and we carried it all so well As if we got a new position Oh and we owned all the tools ourselves Without the skills to make a shelf with Oh what useless tools ourselves"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #4 September 4, 2007 It's government as a whole, not just one side or the other...here's some quotes from the other side of the aisle, so to speak. Where are we going, and what are we doing in this handbasket? " The purpose of government is to rein in the rights of the people" --Bill Clinton, during an interview on MTV in 1993 "You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say." -- Bill Clinton, May 29, 1993, The White House "We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans . . . ." --William J. Clinton, USA Today, March 11, 1993 When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly.... [However, now] there's a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there's too much freedom. When personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it." -- Bill Clinton, 3-22-94, MTV's "Enough is Enough"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChasingBlueSky 0 #5 September 4, 2007 You have to wonder if his talk about Sovereignty went better than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W28CQQsH9S8_________________________________________ you can burn the land and boil the sea, but you can't take the sky from me.... I WILL fly again..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #6 September 4, 2007 Mike, I blame both, dems and reps as well as ourselves. We elected them. "...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 September 4, 2007 Quote Mike, I blame both, dems and reps as well as ourselves. We elected them. Absolutely....unfortunately. And the worst offenders seem to keep getting elected over and over and over again...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowflake 0 #8 September 4, 2007 Quote Quote Mike, I blame both, dems and reps as well as ourselves. We elected them. Absolutely....unfortunately. And the worst offenders seem to keep getting elected over and over and over again... Exactly!!! Quite a few spend their time pointing fingers at the other "side". Trusting their "side", because they say the things they want to hear. Both sides forget that when a politicians mouth is moving he/she is telling lies. Then again what do you expect. People want to hear their "truth" not the Truth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 September 4, 2007 I'm going to start the "Throw 'Em All Out" political party..... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #10 September 4, 2007 >the "Throw 'Em All Out" political party..... Been done. "Brewster's Millions" in the 80's. And it might even work today - "none of the above" has been in the lead in at least a few polls for presidential hopefuls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 September 4, 2007 Quote>the "Throw 'Em All Out" political party..... Been done. "Brewster's Millions" in the 80's. Yup...you got the reference!! Quote And it might even work today - "none of the above" has been in the lead in at least a few polls for presidential hopefuls. I'm not sure that letting the governors of the various states do the choosing is necessarily in our best interest, either...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #12 September 5, 2007 Well why not ? He's fucked up everything else he's ever touched, why should our national sovereignty be any different ? And what the fuck does he care anyway ? He's rich and his friends will always give him more money. Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #13 September 5, 2007 @ChasingBlueSky: QuoteYou have to wonder if his talk about Sovereignty went better than this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W28CQQsH9S8 I felt embarrassed just watching that video. He might as well have answered "F.ck you and your tribal sovereignty." @mnealtx: Quote CDIT I don't disagree with you. Clinton made NAFTA a reality. Quote Absolutely....unfortunately. And the worst offenders seem to keep getting elected over and over and over again... As long as Americans continue to depend on the corporate-sponsored mass media to inform themselves about candidates from both sides, we'll stay stuck with politicians who will push a globalist agenda -- democrat or republican. The only two candidates who will NOT push a globalist agenda are Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich. Unfortunately, the mass media have marginalized them both. I think people need to take it upon themselves to find out what they stand for and vote accordingly. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 September 5, 2007 Re: Paul and Kucinich - Unfortunately, like in every major election, the Libertarians end up taking themselves out by going too far toward the fringe. I like a lot of Dr. Paul's viewpoints, but he shot himself in the foot.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #15 September 5, 2007 QuoteI like a lot of Dr. Paul's viewpoints, but he shot himself in the foot. How so? Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #16 September 5, 2007 >like in every major election, the Libertarians end up taking themselves >out by going too far toward the fringe. I continue to hope they win a few elections, perhaps a few senate/house seats. This will accomplish two things: 1) they will be taken more seriously, and both the dems and the GOP will try to adopt some of their policies to attract more voters 2) their positions will become more reasonable as they contact reality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 September 5, 2007 Quote>like in every major election, the Libertarians end up taking themselves >out by going too far toward the fringe. I continue to hope they win a few elections, perhaps a few senate/house seats. This will accomplish two things: 1) they will be taken more seriously, and both the dems and the GOP will try to adopt some of their policies to attract more voters 2) their positions will become more reasonable as they contact reality. Agreed.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #18 September 5, 2007 It was the Canadian Mounties who saved alot of people in New Orleans doing the job which for whatever reason the US government would'nt or couldn't do so I think it might work out well for the US and not so good for your polite nice friendly nieghbours up north. As for the Mexicans I thought that US economy is already dependent on them.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #19 September 5, 2007 Quote2) their positions will become more reasonable as they contact reality. I don't think Ron Paul is out of touch with reality; quite the contrary actually. Just because he has unique ideas and doesn't get a lot of press doesn't mean his ideas are "fringe." Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #20 September 5, 2007 Quote don't think Ron Paul is out of touch with reality; quite the contrary actually. Just because he has unique ideas and doesn't get a lot of press doesn't mean his ideas are "fringe." Ron Paul is difinetly in touch with reality. I've never heard a politician makes so much sense until I heard him. He is what this country needs. He reflects the same ideas as the people of this country. I get no sense that he feels he is above the rest of us as I do when I hear people like Bush. Or as I do when I hear the current crop of hopefuls, Dems and Reps. He seems to be far removed from his party, however. That I like."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #21 September 5, 2007 You should read this: www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/09/02/RVS4RMNM1.DTL www.amazon.com/Takeover-Imperial-Presidency-Subversion-Democracy/dp/product-description/0316118044... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #22 September 5, 2007 Quote from Henry Kissinger in an interview with Charlie Rose: QuoteCharlie Rose: within the next four years we will see the emergence of a new international order? Kissinger: The beginning...the beginning of a new international order, and it could well be that this president, who is so reviled by intellectuals, will emerge as one of the seminal presidents of his period, of American modern history Right from the mouth of one of the most rabid proponents of globalism. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #23 September 5, 2007 >and it could well be that this president, who is so reviled by >intellectuals . . . Everyone, actually. --------- MELBOURNE, Sept 4 (Bernama) -- A new poll shows that more than half of all Australians believe George W Bush is the worst president in American history . . . ---------- The Worst President in History? One of America's leading historians assesses George W. Bush SEAN WILENTZ Apr 21, 2006 12:34 PM George W. Bush's presidency appears headed for colossal historical disgrace. . . . Many historians are now wondering whether Bush, in fact, will be remembered as the very worst president in all of American history. ------------ Poll: Bush Worst President Since 1945 Ronald Reagan Picked As Best President In Nationwide Survey (CBS) President Bush has been named as the worst president since the end of the World War II in a new national poll. ------------- >will emerge as one of the seminal presidents of his period, >of American modern history . . . Well, in the same way that Nixon was considered seminal in his interpretation of presidential authority, perhaps. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
