The111 1 #1 August 27, 2007 USA law is so logical. Consider: If I want to pay a woman to have sex with me, it is illegal. UNLESS I film it. Even if you wish to cling to a flimsy argument of "morality," you would have to argue that adding a camera to the mix makes the whole situation MORE immoral. Will other "immoral" things be made legal so long as we film them?www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #2 August 27, 2007 >f I want to pay a woman to have sex with me, it is illegal. Not everywhere! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #3 August 27, 2007 It is not an issue of "immorality." It's an issue of the First Amendment's right to free speech. The purpose of the sex in pornography is to be photographed. It has been held that the payment was for appearing in the film, not payment for having sex. The point is that unless it could be filmed, then the act would not have occurred. Thus, the whole purpose is as a film. They are paid to be filmed having sex - not paid to have sex. see People v. Freeman (1988) 46 Cal.3d 419 My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #4 August 27, 2007 Quote>f I want to pay a woman to have sex with me, it is illegal. Not everywhere! My post began by referencing US law. And yes, I was excluding the exceptions within the US.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #5 August 27, 2007 QuoteIt is not an issue of "immorality." If not that, then why is prostitution illegal? I understand your reasoning, but the net result is the same. A person is getting paid to have sex.www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #6 August 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteIt is not an issue of "immorality." If not that, then why is prostitution illegal? I understand your reasoning, but the net result is the same. A person is getting paid to have sex. I don't think the government has any business regulating ANYTHING between two (or more) CONSENTING adults. I think they should legalize it, license it, and then tax it just like any other service. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #7 August 27, 2007 >If not that, then why is prostitution illegal? It shouldn't be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #8 August 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteIt is not an issue of "immorality." If not that, then why is prostitution illegal? I understand your reasoning, but the net result is the same. A person is getting paid to have sex. As far as why prostitution is illegal, well, not my department. The net results are not the same between prostitution and pornography. Prostitution is one person payinganother for sex. Pornography is one person paying one or two people to videotape the sexual act for distribution. Hence, if you hire a prostitute and videotape it for yourself, it's prostitution. If you hire a prostitute and videotape it for distribution to others, then it's pornography. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clownburner 0 #9 August 27, 2007 Quote Hence, if you hire a prostitute and videotape it for yourself, it's prostitution. If you hire a prostitute and videotape it for distribution to others, then it's pornography. But proving intent isn't a straightforward proposition. You might have intended to sell the video to any of a hundred 'amateur' porn producers, and just not got around to it...7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #10 August 27, 2007 QuoteI don't think the government has any business regulating ANYTHING between two (or more) CONSENTING adults. I think they should legalize it, license it, and then tax it just like any other service. Should rich people be able to purchase organs from poor people if they both agree on a price?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #11 August 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteI don't think the government has any business regulating ANYTHING between two (or more) CONSENTING adults. I think they should legalize it, license it, and then tax it just like any other service. Should rich people be able to purchase organs from poor people if they both agree on a price? Their bodies, their choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #12 August 27, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteIt is not an issue of "immorality." If not that, then why is prostitution illegal? I understand your reasoning, but the net result is the same. A person is getting paid to have sex. As far as why prostitution is illegal, well, not my department. The net results are not the same between prostitution and pornography. Prostitution is one person payinganother for sex. Pornography is one person paying one or two people to videotape the sexual act for distribution. Hence, if you hire a prostitute and videotape it for yourself, it's prostitution. If you hire a prostitute and videotape it for distribution to others, then it's pornography. The funny thing is, many, many porn actreeses are also hookers, and advertise openly on the internet. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #13 August 27, 2007 Quote >If not that, then why is prostitution illegal? It shouldn't be. Ya think? www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #14 August 27, 2007 Thank you for your answer. For me I could not just accept that desperate people can and should be taken advantage of. I believe someone who is left no choice but to sell their body for food, or sell there kidney to save their children is a sad thing that should not happen.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rdutch 0 #15 August 27, 2007 Quote USA law is so logical. Consider: If I want to pay a woman to have sex with me, it is illegal. UNLESS I film it. Even if you wish to cling to a flimsy argument of "morality," you would have to argue that adding a camera to the mix makes the whole situation MORE immoral. Will other "immoral" things be made legal so long as we film them? Quit trying to find a loophole go get a girlfriend like the rest of us! Ray Small and fast what every girl dreams of! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipp0 1 #16 August 27, 2007 Quote Quote USA law is so logical. Consider: If I want to pay a woman to have sex with me, it is illegal. UNLESS I film it. Even if you wish to cling to a flimsy argument of "morality," you would have to argue that adding a camera to the mix makes the whole situation MORE immoral. Will other "immoral" things be made legal so long as we film them? Quit trying to find a loophole go get a girlfriend like the rest of us! Hey, watch it buddy - that's how I met my wife!!! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #17 August 27, 2007 >I believe someone who is left no choice but to sell their body for food, or >sell there kidney to save their children is a sad thing that should not >happen. Look at it another way. Your wife needs a liver lobe, and will not receive one in time on the transplant list; she won't live that long. There is an almost perfect match on a donor who is willing to donate but can't afford to take that much time off work. Should it be illegal for you to compensate him for his time so he can afford to donate part of his liver? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azdiver 0 #18 August 27, 2007 i think the argument one could make against that would be that if allowed sooner or later criminals would find a way to sell stolen organs, the idea sounds reasonable but the potential problems could be horrific.light travels faster than sound, that's why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #19 August 27, 2007 >sooner or later criminals would find a way to sell stolen organs . . . That's happening now; there are thousands of transplants a year with organs of questionable pedigree. History has shown that when there is a demand for something, illegal sales of that something are always higher when that form of commerce is against the law. The most common example is prohibition. People are generally willing to obey the law, pay taxes on alcohol production, follow rules on sales to minors etc. But when it is made illegal, then they become more willing to break the law to get it. That's what gave organized crime it's start in this country. If there is a moral objection to people being paid for organs, that's one thing. But I think the argument that "if it was legal to pay for it then crime would increase" isn't a good argument, because history has shown the opposite tends to be true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #20 August 27, 2007 Criminals are already selling stolen organs. Legalizing it would simply end the black market (at least most of it) and protect donors as well as recipients. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #21 August 27, 2007 Quote>sooner or later criminals would find a way to sell stolen organs . . . That's happening now; there are thousands of transplants a year with organs of questionable pedigree. History has shown that when there is a demand for something, illegal sales of that something are always higher when that form of commerce is against the law. The most common example is prohibition. People are generally willing to obey the law, pay taxes on alcohol production, follow rules on sales to minors etc. But when it is made illegal, then they become more willing to break the law to get it. That's what gave organized crime it's start in this country... And prohibition of drugs and prostitution is what's keeping it running. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clownburner 0 #22 August 28, 2007 Quote And prohibition of drugs and prostitution is what's keeping it running. Well, that and a good old fashioned work ethic! 7CP#1 | BTR#2 | Payaso en fuego Rodriguez "I want hot chicks in my boobies!"- McBeth Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
azdiver 0 #23 August 28, 2007 criminals dont stick to only selling things that are illegal to sell outright. movies music jewelry electronics cars ect are all legal to buy on the market, but they still find ways to make money illegally selling these same things, so is your argument that if its legal then criminals wont bother with it. legalizing the selling of organs could result in murder for organs, the murders might not take place in the us but outside of it and then imported into, the reliability of these organs might be questionable as well resulting in more innocent deathslight travels faster than sound, that's why some people appear to be bright until you hear them speak Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,090 #24 August 28, 2007 >so is your argument that if its legal then criminals wont bother with it. Nope. But make it illegal and criminals will bother with it a whole lot more. >legalizing the selling of organs could result in murder for organs, the > murders might not take place in the us but outside of it and then >imported into, the reliability of these organs might be questionable >as well resulting in more innocent deaths . . . Like I said, that's happening right now. Making it legal will allow much greater oversight of the process. Google "China organ transplant" for one creative way of increasing the organ supply. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Derekbox 0 #25 August 28, 2007 Criminals deal in whatever is in demand and profitable. If organs became a commodity, then demand would lower. Remove the demand and reduce the criminal interest. Also in the case of legalization, oversight could also be introduced where sources of tissues were verified. In my opinion... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
