Clovis, CA family loses second son in Iraq

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Yeah. that was a pointless and tacky rabble-rousing statement if I ever heard one.

Ya know, people one disagrees with can have very honorable motivations. And it's good to give them the credit for that honor.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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A little helpful background


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errico_Malatesta

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Jason Hubbard is an idiot. Serving your country and serving the interests of private and state power are dramatically different.

Whose interests are served by this statement? Those of the Hubbards? Those of the government?

Actually, nobody's interests are served by your statement.

Given the truth of my statement it is actually in the interests of everybody to understand and acknowledge it, especially the U.S. population indoctrinated at birth into a culture of 'Serving your country' as fundamental propaganda for 'Serving state and private power'.

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A little helpful background


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Errico_Malatesta

Those astounding detective skills add what to the weight of an opposing argument (even though there isn't one) regarding the historical and current function of the U.S. military?

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Given the truth of my statement it is actually in the interests of everybody to understand and acknowledge it, especially the U.S. population indoctrinated at birth into a culture of 'Serving your country' as fundamental propaganda for 'Serving state and private power'.

False - Jason Hubbard is an idiot. He is at least of average IQ.

Second. He and his brother did it to serve their OWN interests.

Third - most are not "indoctrinated" with "serving your country." IT's why the military represents a pretty small portion of our population.

Fourth - I don't understand or acknowledge that soldiers serve "state and private power." THey are not drafted and they are paid. Thus, there are plenty of people like me who joined the military because of the personal benefit I got from it.

Fifth - there are plenty in the miliatry who fit your description. But don't ever fucking lump people in together on the basis of flippant and ill-considered characterizations.

Now, given the truths of this response, is it not in your interest to understand and acknowledge it?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lawrocket 3]

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Those astounding detective skills add what to the weight of an opposing argument (even though there isn't one) regarding the historical and current function of the U.S. military?

For a person who brings up historical and current functions, one may look at the historical figure being utilized to give some background to current posts.

It's not an opposing argument. It merely gives context to understand the perspective from which you seem to derive your opinions. It's called "higher thinking." Or deeper thinking.

When we ask ourselves, "How could someone think of stuff like this" we can say, "Oh. The poster apparently likes Malatesta." In which case we understand the viewpoint as firmly anti-authoritarian with blinders on.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Given the truth of my statement it is actually in the interests of everybody to understand and acknowledge it, especially the U.S. population indoctrinated at birth into a culture of 'Serving your country' as fundamental propaganda for 'Serving state and private power'.

False - Jason Hubbard is an idiot. He is at least of average IQ.

Second. He and his brother did it to serve their OWN interests.

Third - most are not "indoctrinated" with "serving your country." IT's why the military represents a pretty small portion of our population.

Fourth - I don't understand or acknowledge that soldiers serve "state and private power." THey are not drafted and they are paid. Thus, there are plenty of people like me who joined the military because of the personal benefit I got from it.

Fifth - there are plenty in the miliatry who fit your description. But don't ever fucking lump people in together on the basis of flippant and ill-considered characterizations.

Now, given the truths of this response, is it not in your interest to understand and acknowledge it?

Second - Their reasons for joining the military are irrelevant.

Third - The indoctrination of military/war culture is part of the U.S. culture itself. It isn't alone in this many countries have it, some go even further with compulsory service.

Fourth - Personal reasons for joining the military are irrelevant . The U.S. Military serve the interests of the state and private business. Whether this be invading Haiti or Iraq.

The idea that the U.S. military serve the people of the country is not true. Just like it is not true for most nations and military forces throughout history.

There are plenty of people who join the military for personal reasons and they might even believe themselves they are serving the 'country', all of which bares no relevance to the actual function of the military.

Fifth - You obviously don't get what I am saying. Individuals in the military are irrelevant. The military itself serves the state and private power. It is self evident just using a current day situation.

The majority of the U.S. population want the military out of Iraq. The state and private power do not want the military out of Iraq. The military stay in Iraq. That is not serving your country with the assumption that we all agree the term as its intended in the idea of serving ones country means that you serve the people of the country, you know, democracy and all that.

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The idea that the U.S. military serve the people of the country is not true.

Correct. The military serves the government. And if the government serves the people then the military serves the people.

But the US government - like ALL governments - serves itself. We are in agreement there.

See, you make some valid points that tend to get lost in rabblerousing.

My wife is hotter than your wife.