Elite Secret Societies -- Their Significance?

[masterblaster72 0]

Okay, before you call me a kook, listen for five minutes to what President John F. Kennedy had to say about secret societies.

Skull and Bones -- William Howard Taft (27th President), George H.W. Bush, and our current president. Founded in the 1800's by the biggest opium trafficker in the country at the time, modeled after a Bavarian death cult, there are only 15 members per year admitted into this club. There have been several top-level members of the CIA that used to belong to this club, and several members of Bush's cabinet are former 'Bonesmen." Kerry was also a Bonesman.

Bohemian Grove: A two-week annual gathering in the redwood forests of Northern California under extremely high security that invites elite members of the media, big business and government (Henry Kissinger is a regular participant, Reagan, Nixon, Eisenhower, Bill Gates, Arnold Schwarzenegger, etc...). Members perform a cult ritual called "Cremation of Care" in which a child is burned in effigy. The Manhattan Project is said to have been hatched at this annual meeting back in the '40's.

Bilderberg: A secret meeting that takes place one weekend a year, including heads of media, multinational banks, energy companies, and leading politicians. Clinton attended in 1991, became president in 1992. Tony Blair attended in 1993, became head of his party in 1994, became prime minister in 1997. Paul Martin attended in 1996, is Prime Minister of Canada now. It is said that Hillary Clinton attended this year's meeting, but since the meeting is shrouded in such secrecy and under such heavy security, it could not be confirmed. John Edwards is also a former attendee.

Other groups include Council on Foreign Relations, whose members included/include several of Clinton's and Bush's cabinet members, and the Trilateral commission.

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Curious to hear opinions on these groups. Do you think that our representatives' allegiance lie with these secret societies, or with the American people? Do you think that these groups have any effect on policy that affects us, or are these just harmless fraternities? I for one am not sure what to make of these groups, but I do find them fascinating.

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[Squeak 17]

Probably nothing more than a bunch of like minded fools organising suport for selected members.

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[nanook 1]

If you stop to think; there's hundreds of "secret societies" and a draw rumors from outsiders who are in awe of them. If we take a poll of all powerful people who were or still are associated with such organizations I wouldn't be surprised if the percentage was around 60% or more. Compared to the whole of the U.S. population, there aren't too many people of this caliber and they cannot truly be themselves being in the public eye. Why not join an organization of like-mindedness and relax with each other? Kick their shoes off? After all, they are not normal people. No hanging out at a coffee shop and getting a movie with friends with most of these people.

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[sv3n 0]

I'm not sure what goes on behind closed doors, but there's a lot of documentaries on it.

Just search youtube for Illuminati, Freemasons, etc. You'll find a bunch of stuff, but as with everything......you gotta filter through the crap.

Just a few that came up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m89SB59DT34&mode=related&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3avVyf1OMjQ&mode=related&search=
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[Skyrad 0]

The Cremation of care looks like one seriously fucked up pagan ritual. So much for GWB being a Christian.

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[Erroll 80]

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...and several members of Bush's cabinet are former 'Bonesmen." Kerry was also a Bonesman.

(Henry Kissinger is a regular participant, Reagan, Nixon, Eisenhower, Bill Gates, Arnold Schwarzenegger, etc...).
Members perform a cult ritual....

Clinton attended in 1991, Tony Blair attended in 1993, Paul Martin attended..., Hillary Clinton attended..., John Edwards is also a former attendee

Not particularly secretive about their secret societies, eh?

[mnealtx 0]

Their significance? Evidently to make the people opposed wear tinfoil beanies and chug down that konspiracy koolaid...

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[masterblaster72 0]

@Erroll:

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Clinton attended in 1991, Tony Blair attended in 1993, Paul Martin attended..., Hillary Clinton attended..., John Edwards is also a former attendee

Not particularly secretive about their secret societies, eh?

Since these meetings include people who are serving the public in our government, don't you think you have a right to know what is discussed in these meetings? It's possible that the decisions made in these meetings have an impact on you and I.

@mnealtx

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Their significance? Evidently to make the people opposed wear tinfoil beanies and chug down that konspiracy koolaid...

Did you listen to what JFK had to say about secrecy? I think the scenario he presents in his speech reflects the current administration to a tee.

And did you watch any of the material I linked to above, or did you just feel like taking a cheap shot?

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[mnealtx 0]

Youtube is blocked over here, so no, I didn't watch any of it. Merely my opinion. It's no different than union membership, being a military academy grad or the Masons.

Mike
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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Paul Martin attended in 1996, is Prime Minister of Canada now.

No he isn't

[NCclimber 0]

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Since these meetings include people who are serving the public in our government, don't you think you have a right to know what is discussed in these meetings?

Are you saying that the public should know about every part of these elected officials lives?

Seems like having every part of their official duties being put under a microscope is enough.

[wmw999 2,588]

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Are you saying that the public should know about every part of these elected officials lives?

Seems like having every part of their official duties being put under a microscope is enough.

Interesting how there's a thread in Bonfire about paparazzi, and how there should be limits on what people see/learn. I tend to agree.

The one caveat is when these secret societies begin to become policymaking things. Kind of like the golf games that used to be how "bidness" was done, but that people who weren't members of the country club couldn't participate in. So, well, they couldn't "do bidness."

Wendy W.

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[Thanatos340 1]

So how are these groups different that say..

The Rodriguez Brothers, Team Dirty Sanchez, or The Muff Bros??

Like minded individuals that share similar goals and enjoy each others company. Some people want to drink Tequila out of belly buttons, Others want to Rule the world. To each their own.

Me.. I kinda like the idea of both.

[lawrocket 3]

Significance? The significance is that they allow people to attach significance to them.

Think of it as an advertisement:

"Society got you down? Does the world just make no sense? Self-righteous enough to feelindignation towards someone? But pretentious and politically correct to avoid blaming any races, creeds or other form of "underclass?" Did Karl Korsch not raise enough blame on the bourgeois?

"Well, the solution is here for you! Secret Societies! From everything to the creation of the Fed, the assisnation of John Kennedy, to the sinking of the Titanic and the Bryant Gumbel letter, blame secret societies of rich white men practicing pagan rituals."

As proof of their evil and bredth of influence, here is footage from an ACTUAL STONECUTTERS MEETING, whereupon they brag about such things as:
1) Keeping down the metric system
2) Keeping the Martians under wraps and
3) Making Steve Guttenberg a STAR (they ARE powerful!!!!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-cCfZrkCFI

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[masterblaster72 0]

I figured there would be these kind of responses making light of these secret societies.

I'm aware that the very term "secret societies" stinks of conspiracy kookery, but that's what they are -- "black boxes" of *very* powerful people who can influence our lives.

I wonder if you listened to what JFK had to say about them. Apparently he knew something that we don't know about these groups.

And being that these circles are closed, you won't hear much about them on the television. So I think it's healthy for people to at least be aware of them. It would be even better if journalists would do their jobs and bring these groups to question. Unfortunately, none of them really do...since many top journalists are themselves part of these circles.

And just because we don't hear much about these groups on television news doesn't mean they're insignificant.

Tony Blair attended the Bilderberg meeting in 1993. He was later questioned about it in Parliament. He denied having ever attended. Something doesn't sit right with me about that. Maybe it's just a get-together where people drink and have fun and talk about the economy or whatever. But then why the ultra-heavy security and the secrecy? It begs the question: what do they have to hide?

The difference between these groups and a skydiving club, for example, is that a skydiving club's get-togethers don't have the potential to affect the general population.

If policy is being made in these meetings by people who represent us, my opinion is that the people who are being represented should have a right to know what is being discussed in them.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[SpeedRacer 1]

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[lawrocket 3]

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I'm aware that the very term "secret societies" stinks of conspiracy kookery, but that's what they are -- "black boxes" of *very* powerful people who can influence our lives.

The problem I have is with ANYBODY who says, "You are being fooled. I know the truth, and you don't. Follow me. I am the person capable of leading you to the truth and the promised land."

And with any conspiracy theorist, this is exactly the case. The Kennedy Assassination conspiracies are but an example. There are literally HUNDREDS of different theories - each one with a theorist who suggests that he or she alone knows the REAL answer.

"Secret societies" in ITSELF says, "There are groups that you don't know about. I know this stuff that you don't. Come with me and let me show you the light."

I guess I just operate as a cynic.

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[Zipp0 1]

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I'm aware that the very term "secret societies" stinks of conspiracy kookery, but that's what they are -- "black boxes" of *very* powerful people who can influence our lives.

The problem I have is with ANYBODY who says, "You are being fooled. I know the truth, and you don't. Follow me. I am the person capable of leading you to the truth and the promised land."

And with any conspiracy theorist, this is exactly the case. The Kennedy Assassination conspiracies are but an example. There are literally HUNDREDS of different theories - each one with a theorist who suggests that he or she alone knows the REAL answer.

"Secret societies" in ITSELF says, "There are groups that you don't know about. I know this stuff that you don't. Come with me and let me show you the light."

I guess I just operate as a cynic.

I am in a 'secret society' to which a local judge also belongs. If I go to trial for some reason down the road, I'd be willing to bet he helps me out.

That is why these things are wrong in the case of public officials.

BTW- hopefully I never need the help!

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[unformed 0]

I am also in one of those "secret societies". Our "secret ritual books" that aren't supposed to be read by anybody are in the Library of Congress. They're also available on ebay.

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[Zipp0 1]

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I am also in one of those "secret societies". Our "secret ritual books" that aren't supposed to be read by anybody are in the Library of Congress. They're also available on ebay.

Mason, eh? The topic is ELITE secret societies.

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[wmw999 2,588]

My secret society only has one person in it. That's why it's still a secret.

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[popsjumper 2]

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I am in a 'secret society' to which a local judge also belongs. If I go to trial for some reason down the road, I'd be willing to bet he helps me out.

That is why these things are wrong in the case of public officials.

BTW- hopefully I never need the help!

You just cooked your own goose.


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[masterblaster72 0]

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The problem I have is with ANYBODY who says, "You are being fooled. I know the truth, and you don't. Follow me. I am the person capable of leading you to the truth and the promised land."

I'm just pointing to information that's out there and curious about others' opinions on them. Not trying to take the lead on anything.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.