Record number of people leave England

[JohnRich 4]

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More people left the UK last year than in any year since current records began in 1991, statistics show.

Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) indicate that some 385,000 people left the UK for the long term in the year to mid-2006.

Of those who left the UK last year, 196,000 were British citizens while 189,000 were "long-term migrants" who had been living in the UK for more than a year.

The latest figures available for the most popular places among emigrating Britons show that Australia was the number one choice.

..."Perception of crime is another of the main reasons for people wanting to leave," he said. "Also, people are worried about their children and they worry about their jobs and their future here and possibly the economy as well."

Source: BBC

[JohnnyD 0]

Were you bitch slapped by the queen in another life?
Why do you have such a hard on for England?

[kallend 2,183]

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News:

More people left the UK last year than in any year since current records began in 1991, statistics show.

Figures from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) indicate that some 385,000 people left the UK for the long term in the year to mid-2006.

Of those who left the UK last year, 196,000 were British citizens while 189,000 were "long-term migrants" who had been living in the UK for more than a year.

The latest figures available for the most popular places among emigrating Britons show that Australia was the number one choice.

..."Perception of crime is another of the main reasons for people wanting to leave," he said. "Also, people are worried about their children and they worry about their jobs and their future here and possibly the economy as well."

Source: BBC

Fortunately for the rest of the world, people have been emigrating from the UK for centuries. Why, some even come to the USA. Those who stay behind say it improves both places.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[JohnRich 4]

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Why do you have such a hard on for England?

I don't.

England is on the cutting edge of many sociological changes, and thus is fodder for news and conversation about those subjects.

For example: Where are public security cameras most prevalent? England. DNA databases? England. Most restrictive traffic controls? England. Large crime problems? England. Gun control? England. Socialized medicine? England.

England is the nation where "Big Brotherism" is most advanced, and thus it's fair game to publicly examine those policies to see how they're working.

The masses of people running away from England might be an indicator that they don't like the direction things are going.

[JohnRich 4]

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Fortunately for the rest of the world, people have been emigrating from the UK for centuries. Why, some even come to the USA. Those who stay behind say it improves both places.

So your former native countrymen were glad to be rid of you?

[rehmwa 2]

I believe the exodus is a direct result of the airing of the Food Network.

Shows like Iron Chef, and Good Eats clearly demonstrate to the British people that food can be both tasty, and attractive in appearance. As opposed to neither.

Thus the exodus is in search of better eats.

Fortunately, video of all the exiting people is being recorded by secret cameras.

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[shropshire 0]

The grass often appears greener elsewhere... sometimes it is and on occasion it isn't and folk wend their way home again.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[pirana 0]

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Why do you have such a hard on for England?

I don't.

England is on the cutting edge of many sociological changes, and thus is fodder for news and conversation about those subjects.

For example: Where are public security cameras most prevalent? England. DNA databases? England. Most restrictive traffic controls? England. Large crime problems? England. Gun control? England. Socialized medicine? England.

England is the nation where "Big Brotherism" is most advanced, and thus it's fair game to publicly examine those policies to see how they're working.

The masses of people running away from England might be an indicator that they don't like the direction things are going.

And how in the world did that happen? I read a pretty good amount of history, and it just doesn't make sense to me that the culture there took such a dramatic turn. It has always seemed to me that it was a very pragmatic, well-humored, common sensical, stiff upper lip, and all that culture. For it to have become so Big Brotherish and Socialist and extreme in so many ways is truly disappointing.

Hope it is not a harbinger of things to come.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[pirana 0]

One additional thought. Is it possible that during the tougher economic swings of the 70's and 80's, which were much more pronounced on that side of the pond, the will and power of the more conservative people and ideals was broken?

Weren't the unemployment rates during the worst of those cycles something like 20%? And even much worse in the rural areas?

Stuff like that can really do a number on people while waiting for market forces to generate correcting behavior.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[billvon 3,132]

>The masses of people running away from England might be an
>indicator that they don't like the direction things are going.

If that line of logic is valid, the people of Iraq absolutely despise the direction things are going. (millions have left since 2003.)

[vortexring 0]

The UK! It's the UK!

Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England.

Anyway, it's fairly obvious why so many people are leaving - we're overpopulated. And new immigrants are flooding in, despite official figures making the population increase seem less dramatic. Ask the man on the street.

Our house prices are beyond a joke. Too many people for too little houses. The politicians talk of building numerous houses, inevitably on green belts, to alleviate this problem. But the only people who'll benefit are first time buyers - it won't happen - economically for the housing sector it can't.

Traffic issues - again, stemming from too many people owning cars, that the roads, cities and towns weren't designed to cope with. Obviously we have street's designed over a hundred years ago, sometimes more, and they can only be modernised and widened so much. Even the fairly modern motorways were not designed to cope with such a mass of traffic. We're a nation of similiar landmass to New Zealand, except we have a population of 60 million+ whilst their pop. is around 4 million.

The older generations sometimes comment how much we have these days, such as 2 cars per household, regular holidays abroad, widescreen plasma TV's, dishwashers, and so on. People do have so much more - but a collective individual debt of over a trillion pounds to go with it.

We're a nation of utter wage slaves with the majority going to bed every night in tiny damp houses with money worries. Too many rats in this race - why tolerate huge mortgages, rip off high street prices, rip off council taxes, man, even rip off taxes on cigerettes and beer. In comparison of prices with other european countries we are getting the rather pricier end of the deal. It's not as if the weathers any good - it's utter shite. It's difficult to even tell which season it is these days. No wonder so many people are getting upside down on alcohol come Friday and Saturday nights and kicking lumps off each other. Need we even talk about drugs?

Our hospitals are riddled with MRSA to the point I'd seriously consider refusing invasive surgery and taking my chances with whatever ailment I have. Thats if there is even a bed available and I haven't already died.

Almost every week we have dead bodies being flown into the country from Iraq and Afghanistan yet the Beckhams dominate the news. They only moved from Spain to America. Still - these days, I guess that's what people really want to see - filthy rich people. Their idols, their Gods.

Continually we hear of criminals with more rights than the victims - still, is it any wonder? Our jails are at bursting point. To save money we've allowed the many 'crazies' who should be under constant supervision to walk the streets and live at home. And let your children out at your's and their peril, what with the playgrounds habited by junkies who discard their used needles there at night, and the teenage hoodies who hang around there in the day.
That's if they avoid being snatched. Terrifying.

So of course people are tempted, pushed even, to see what it's like on the other side. Where ever the other side may be. I've yet to find it. But I'm sure one day I will. Because that's my little piece of hope for a less miserable life I'll have by staying here.

Yor 'Big Brotherisms' aren't the issue John.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[NCclimber 0]

And the Pound exchange rate is at it's best level for the last 20 (or maybe 30) years. Seems like a good time to move.

Considering this all-time high only looks at the last 16 years, is it really that significant?

Aside from anecdotes, do we really know what are the primary causes?

[crwtom 0]

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More people left the UK last year than in any year since current records began in 1991, statistics show.

perhaps they're scared of more terror attacks in the UK after the UK made itself a a target with the ill conceived Iraq involvement.

Also the bulk of destinations (after Australia for the romantics) are EU countries, despite the fact they have different languages (and not the US). This is likely also due to economical reasons and how the UK economy relates to the rest of the EU. It certainly has nothing to do with UK gun laws as those are not very different from other EU laws.

Cheers, T

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[christelsabine 1]

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The masses of people running away from England might be an indicator that they don't like the direction things are going.

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If only "masses" of US citizens would posses ID's - who knows how many would love to leave...?

If only the US would be a bit smaller - how many "masses" from this side of the pond really would leave thier home soil to escape into the big wide open? Folks tend to escape into that big wide open..... no matter what might wait for them over there.

JR, it's clearly shown that you know nothing about Europeans. Europe including our bright British islands is/are small and tiny compared to your mother country.

Your efforts to slag Britain off are so poor. Come over here, enjoy the wonderful British culture, humour, green grass, girls and the warm beer and then: Go back and you'll be a new one. Promised. Anyhow a less bitter man, man, - I'm sure of that.

Cya
Christel

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[vortexring 0]

Probably not that significant. The population as a whole is increasing rapidly so it would only be expected for the number of migrants to increase accordingly.

Still - it's a common conversational topic. Why put up with all the numerous problems when you could go abroad to a sunnier climate. You might not escape the problems but at least the weather will be nice!
As you mention, the strength of our currency would certainly help. I have a house full of bits and bobs recently purchased abroad. Wish to hell I never had to come back.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[shropshire 0]

People always leave at this time of year .. that's why they're called summer holidays. They'll be back, when their Giro runs out.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[vortexring 0]

Yeah, come over John - I'd be delighted to show you around. Apply for a passport and when you've squared that away, give us a shout.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[rehmwa 2]

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They'll be back, when their Giro runs out.

Mmmmm Giro - dead lamb, cucumber sauce, sun dried tomatoes, spinache........

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[DZJ 0]

The article itself undermines your point:

Long-term migration into the UK, meanwhile, was 574,000. The figures show the UK population grew to 60,587,000 - an increase of 349,000.

Plainly things aren't so bad after all. (And we're all still amused by your comic inability to differentiate England and the UK)

[christelsabine 1]

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People always leave at this time of year .. that's why they're called summer holidays. They'll be back, when their Giro runs out.

That's exactly what I hate the most about the US - coming back from great summer holidays somewhere in the Northern American countries, and all my money is gone, disappeared into dark channels into the US economy. That's same procedure in every year, James.

Bah.
Christel

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[kelpdiver 2]

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Plainly things aren't so bad after all. (And we're all still amused by your comic inability to differentiate England and the UK)

so help us out. Define:
UK
England
Great Britain

clearly the distinctions matter to you guys, at a seemingly irrational level.

[kallend 2,183]

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Plainly things aren't so bad after all. (And we're all still amused by your comic inability to differentiate England and the UK)

so help us out. Define:
UK
England
Great Britain

clearly the distinctions matter to you guys, at a seemingly irrational level.

Do the distinctions between

USA
New England
Vermont

matter to you? If so, why make such an irrational distinction, after all, they're all the same when viewed from Europe.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[vortexring 0]

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The article itself undermines your point:

Long-term migration into the UK, meanwhile, was 574,000. The figures show the UK population grew to 60,587,000 - an increase of 349,000.

Plainly things aren't so bad after all. (And we're all still amused by your comic inability to differentiate England and the UK)

His lack of ability to differentiate could be likened to a child prodding an ant nest with a stick.....

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

[Ian84 0]

United Kingdom = the union between what were once four separate countries; England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland (Northern Ireland actually, since 26 counties of the south became an independent republic).

Great Britain refers to the island which comprises England, Scotland and Wales.

The reason people get upset when these terms are confused is mostly because each of the countries have distinct cultural identities and fairly fierce historical rivalries in things like rugby and war.

[BillyVance 35]

Huh, I just figured all them people were leaving the UK because Andy Copland went back home.

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