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QuoteI agree. I've been called a Republican, a Liberal, and other names not quite so nice. The truth is I probably don't fit the stereotype for any one of them.....
Yup.. you sound like a liberal to me there Steve...
Well at least to those who are so far to the right that ANYTHING that does not agree with their VERY particular dogma....is seen as a LIBERAL( to them a very dirty word) including our founding fathers.
QuoteMany bears are shot by people when the bear is doing nothing more than a false charge.
Polar bears don't do false charges. If they are coming they are in predator mode; a bit different from other bears.
tbrown 26
Certainly an unusual circumstance, but I did notice that there's also training that goes along with this. I'd much rather have a pack of the mischevious little shavers running around armed to the teeth than have one of them end up feeding the bears just to keep the PETA types happy. Polar bears can sniff you out miles away and they will patiently stalk you - because they're hungry and they know you're good to eat and can't fight back. Unless you're a little six year old with one of those damn shotguns...
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Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !
Derekbox 0
I personally feel it is not the right of citizens to own weapons, but the responsibility of citizens to do so.
Here is another case of the people not minding there own business... For those who think they should not arm the students, have your child walk point on the way to/from school, that way your child can get slaughtered - protecting everyone else. No guns needed.
Here is another case of the people not minding there own business... For those who think they should not arm the students, have your child walk point on the way to/from school, that way your child can get slaughtered - protecting everyone else. No guns needed.
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Students issued guns...on the Arctic archipelago of Svalbard
Whewwww!!!
I thought you meant in America at first.
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MrWong 0
QuoteI personally feel it is not the right of citizens to own weapons, but the responsibility of citizens to do so.
Here is another case of the people not minding there own business... For those who think they should not arm the students, have your child walk point on the way to/from school, that way your child can get slaughtered - protecting everyone else. No guns needed.
From reading these boards, this seems to be the typical American mindset on guns
i get the impression that Americans want to see every single person carrying a gun "just in case" they ever need to defend themselves
Derekbox 0
My opinion is less of a defend yourself, but more of a protect your freedom. Have to remember that this is a country whose freedom and independence was gained by the hand and gun of common man.
Amazon 7
Not carrying a gun in some instances is certainly the WONG way if you are the one who wants to go on living...
MrWong 0
QuoteNot carrying a gun in some instances is certainly the WONG way if you are the one who wants to go on living...
agreed, and also carrying a gun can equally be wrong if you want to carry on living
don't get me wrong here, i'm certainly not anti-american... but it seems odd sometimes the obsession the average american has concerning guns
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i don't see many (if any to be honest) other countries who's citizens bang on about guns as much as Americans do, i'm genuinly intrigued to know why america seems to have this obsession about guns?
Amazon 7
Quotedon't get me wrong here, i'm certainly not anti-american... but it seems odd sometimes the obsession the average american has concerning guns i don't see many (if any to be honest) other countries who's citizens bang on about guns as much as Americans do, i'm genuinly intrigued to know why america seems to have this obsession about guns?
It is part of our heritage and part of our culture. Very few countries in the world were created the way this country was.
It is a melting pot of ALL the worlds people and cultures. Many of them came here from countries where only the rulers or their minions were allowed to have the weapons.. ensuring the continued serfdom and servility to their countries rulers.
The people who came here faced a hostile environment.. much like the children that have to go to school in an environment where humans are not necessarily at the top of the food chain.
A gun is just a tool to be used in certain circumstances.
Those who emigrated here and survived built the country. Those who did not leave their countries signified their ability to live under the control of others no matter how repressive that may have been.
Those who left and came here did so to be rid of that repression... whether it was political or religious and guns played a part of that.
steve1 5
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Polar bears don't do false charges. If they are coming they are in predator mode; a bit different from other bears.
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This may be very true. I'm no expert on Polar Bears. I do know they will eat about anything that moves out on the ice pack, so possibly they are the most dangerous bear of all.
I'd hate to have my kids walking to school in such an environment. If they were though I'd give them all the training I could on how and when to shoot. Kids are often a lot more capable than adults give them credit for.
When I was 12 we often hunted and camped on our own with a high powered rifle. My dad would pack a friend and I back into a wilderness area on horseback. He'd leave us a week at a time. I had an old 30/30 that I hunted elk with back then. It was the same rifle we had in camp in case a bear showed up, if an injured horse needed shot, or at our house if we needed protection.
By todays standards this probably sounds pretty bizzare, but I wouldn't have traded those experiences for anything.
If a kid was packing a gun on his way to school for bear protection, this too probably sounds pretty crazy. But it would make perfect since if you lived in a place like that.....Steve1
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If a kid was packing a gun on his way to school for bear protection, this too probably sounds pretty crazy. But it would make perfect since if you lived in a place like that.....Steve1
Yep, makes sense to me. When I worked in the Arctic commercial flights were on small planes (twin Otters, King Airs, DC3s) or helicopters. The safety briefing would be given by the co-pilot and usually included the tid-bit that the rifle and ammo were stored behind the Captain's seat.
sv3n 0
You know, ultimately there's a better solution than having your kid walk around with a shotgun to be able to make it to class alive.
A story one of my betters once told........a student of his was having a conversation with him and noted that he was thinking about getting a gun for his wife because the neighborhood has been going down hill a bit and there had been an increase in the number of muggings and rapes because of it.
The teacher's response............why not just move.
And here's why.......can you imagine the horror inflicted on someone who has to shoot another person, they would be scarred for life. Now imagine a small child having to kill a charging polar bear. While some of the older kids might hunt already, here's little mary, just turned 7 and loves horses and teddy bears.......can you see her blowing away a 900 lb bear that's running at her full blast growling. Not really realistic. For the protection of your child, you would be better off just moving.
A story one of my betters once told........a student of his was having a conversation with him and noted that he was thinking about getting a gun for his wife because the neighborhood has been going down hill a bit and there had been an increase in the number of muggings and rapes because of it.
The teacher's response............why not just move.
And here's why.......can you imagine the horror inflicted on someone who has to shoot another person, they would be scarred for life. Now imagine a small child having to kill a charging polar bear. While some of the older kids might hunt already, here's little mary, just turned 7 and loves horses and teddy bears.......can you see her blowing away a 900 lb bear that's running at her full blast growling. Not really realistic. For the protection of your child, you would be better off just moving.
...and you're in violation of your face!
Zenister 0
QuoteQuoteI personally feel it is not the right of citizens to own weapons, but the responsibility of citizens to do so.
Here is another case of the people not minding there own business... For those who think they should not arm the students, have your child walk point on the way to/from school, that way your child can get slaughtered - protecting everyone else. No guns needed.
From reading these boards, this seems to be the typical American mindset on guns
i get the impression that Americans want to see every single person carrying a gun "just in case" they ever need to defend themselves
"it is better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it"
pretty much applies to any tool... be prepared or be (a lower) part of the food chain.
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Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Zenister 0
QuoteQuoteKids in the USA used to bring their guns to school for hunting after school and school marksmanship clubs. At some point people decided that this was a bad idea, and soon after this gun mystification/fear mongering the school shootings started.
We brought them to school - the secretaries in the office would keep them for us. No biggie, everyone knew how to shoot and was comfortable and respectful about guns.
middle school ROTC, there was actually a shooting range in the school's basement, but then that was a DoD school.. everyone a military brat even if not in the ROTC program
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Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed.
Erroll 80
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.....or is she just a characterature you made up....
Is that a real word or just one you made up?
Derekbox 0
Ours did too, in the basement in Heidelberg (I think, I wasnt in ROTC), and one in Hohenfels....
But really people. Criminals are the ones who abuse the guns, and its criminals alike who break gun laws. Look at the countries with tight gun laws, some how or another criminals still have guns. Or crowbars, or bats, or knives or box cutters...
But really people. Criminals are the ones who abuse the guns, and its criminals alike who break gun laws. Look at the countries with tight gun laws, some how or another criminals still have guns. Or crowbars, or bats, or knives or box cutters...
steve1 5
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A story one of my betters once told........a student of his was having a conversation with him and noted that he was thinking about getting a gun for his wife because the neighborhood has been going down hill a bit and there had been an increase in the number of muggings and rapes because of it.
The teacher's response............why not just move.
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Many people can't afford to just move to a safer neighborhood, and that includes the lower 48.
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Now imagine a small child having to kill a charging polar bear. While some of the older kids might hunt already, here's little mary, just turned 7 and loves horses and teddy bears.......can you see her blowing away a 900 lb bear that's running at her full blast growling. Not really realistic. For the protection of your child, you would be better off just moving.
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Probably little Mary could walk to school with some older kids who were more gun savy. I doubt if anyone is going to arm a seven year old with a high powered rifle big enough to kill a Polar Bear. Try to imagine life in the far North. Sure it would be tramatic for even an adult to face a charging bear and kill it before it killed you. But wouldn't that be better than being a victim to a hungry bear? It's like planning ahead for the worst possible scenario. Kind of like wearing a reserve when you jump. Many of the Native people who live up North don't have the money to just move. They also are attached to their families, community, and culture. I doubt seriously if they are going to move. Native people have faced danger for countless centuries in the North, and they are survivors. Having their kids taught to use a gun is just another way to keep them safe.....Steve1
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Polar bears take a lot of stopping power. I don't think any of the rounds you mentioned have enough velocity to penetrate very deeply. Multiple rounds are fine, but if none of them penetrate to the vitals, about all you will do is convince a big Polar bear to eat you.
About the smallest pistol that most people pack for bear protection is a 44 magnum. I've packed a 357 in bear country. It might be better than nothing but it's really on the small side for a Grizzly, Brown, or Polar bear. Even a 44 magnum would seem really small against one of these big bears if it was running, full tilt, right at you.
I also wonder if most kids would have the guts to stand their ground, and fire at a charging bear. Many bears are shot by people when the bear is doing nothing more than a false charge. So I can see how this isn't an ideal situation (arming kids on their walk to school).
There are times when a bear needs to be put down quick. A friend of mine killed a wounded, charging, Grizzly at his feet. He was working in Alaska as a guide and bush pilot.
This bear meant buisness. It was wounded by another hunter, and was waiting for them when they went into the brush after it. His first shot wounded it again (hitting it in the jaw) as it ran toward him. The bear was almost on him when he fired his first shot. He then worked the bolt so hard and fast with adrenaline charged hands, that he jammed his gun for his second shot. The bear, whose jaw was shot nearly off, rose up on his hind legs throwing blood all over my friend,(as it shook his head). Luckily two other hunters were able to fire and finish the bear off.
It took a long time to skin that bear. He said his legs were still shaking almost an hour later. He used a 338 magnum. Probably way too big a rifle for the average kid to pack and shoot accurately. Even that rifle seemed small in that situation.
I'd hate to have to depend on a can of pepper spray for bears. Having nothing more than a spray can between me and a charging bear doesn't sound good....Steve1
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