SkyPiggie 0 #1 August 22, 2007 News: QuoteA rail guard has been fired for defending commuters from a violent fare dodger. Paul Yarwood, 44, came to the rescue after a drunken passenger abused travellers and threatened staff with a broom. But bosses at rail company One Railway sacked him for gross misconduct, claiming CCTV showed him headbutting the man. His dismissal comes despite an admission by the fare dodger that he was entirely to blame. The father-of-three, who has not worked since the incident, will appear before a court on Thursday accused of threatening behaviour. Story So I guess security guards on this train are supposed to just look the other way, and pretend that they don't see wrong-doing when it happens... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 August 22, 2007 If he'd only had a gun, then he could have shot the cigarette out of the guy's hand from a distance. Thus avoiding the whole stinking mess. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Richards 0 #3 August 22, 2007 This sort of crap only encourages punks and thugs to misbehave My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #4 August 22, 2007 Doubt headbutting was ever part of his training.... As always, there is probably more to this story Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #5 August 22, 2007 QuoteNews: *** But bosses at rail company One Railway sacked him for gross misconduct, claiming CCTV showed him headbutting the man. Story he is not a LEO.. in the US that would be assault. If the CCTV is factual he deserved to be fired and charged.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinjin 0 #6 August 23, 2007 LEO or not,, when you or someone you love calls for help i hope someone who can help you walks away cause they are afraid of some asshat like you who sides with a druken, assualting scumbag.. non-LEO has the same (citizens actually) defense of a 3rd party rights as LEO.. enjoy getting your ass kicked as we stand and watch you call your lawyer bleeding..dont let life pass you by Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #7 August 23, 2007 nice... not very familiar with the forum rules or the law are you?? the people being assaulted could have defended themselves (including a headbutt if necessary.) a security guard cannot do much more than restrain until/unless he is attacked himself.. But I'm sure you have all the answers as to who was in the wrong? I'll side with the people who have actually reviewed the footage and decided this security guard exceeded his authority.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinjin 0 #8 August 23, 2007 nice,, yeah your right,, call your lawyer in the middle of the night when a scumbag is crawling thru your window... will he come,,, nope,, i will.... sit behind your computer and say he was wrong.... have you arrested anyone ??dont let life pass you by Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #9 August 23, 2007 call my lawyer? no need, because I'm well aware of when and where I can use deadly force. I'm also trained and aware of a large number of restraint and submission techniques, NONE of which include a 'head butt' but go right ahead commit clear assault in 'defense' of someone else instead of using proper judgment and training.. and enjoy the remains of your life because you acted emotionally and irrationally instead of professionally. ok: I WILL call my lawyer...right after 911 and reporting a shooting...____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #10 August 23, 2007 Quote sit behind your computer and say he was wrong.. just like you? violently, ignorantly disagreeing with those who HAVE reviewed what happened?____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinjin 0 #11 August 23, 2007 yup.. we are both arguing about facts we dont have. have a great night.dont let life pass you by Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #12 August 23, 2007 Quoteyup.. we are both arguing about facts we dont have. have a great night. you are arguing about facts you dont have.. I'm supporting my original statement. QuoteCTV showed him headbutting the man. Quoteif the CCTV is factual he deserved to be fired and charged____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinjin 0 #13 August 23, 2007 so if he had a deadly weapon,, would a head butt be authorized,, how about a stick... is that a deadly weapon to someone as expertly trained as you..dont let life pass you by Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #14 August 23, 2007 Quotea security guard cannot do much more than restrain until/unless he is attacked himself. From the news story: "When a supervisor tried to persuade him to leave, he grabbed him, threatened to hit another member of staff with a broom and told a fellow traveller he would punch him. After escorting passengers to safety, Mr Yarwood confronted the man, who lunged at him and knocked him to the ground. Onlookers described how his attacker "loomed" over Mr Yarwood as he tried to get up and how their heads had briefly touched. One Railway sacked Mr Yarwood after claiming that six seconds of CCTV showed him headbutting the man."So, it sounds as if he was in fact, attacked himself. Therefore, even if the "head touching" was an actual head butt, it sounds justified to me, for self defense. If a security guard can't defend himself or others, then what's the point in having them at all? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fast 0 #15 August 23, 2007 Quote If a security guard can't defend himself or others, then what's the point in having them at all? Agreed. This whole thing is nonsense.~D Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me. Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #16 August 23, 2007 QuoteQuotea security guard cannot do much more than restrain until/unless he is attacked himself. From the news story: "When a supervisor tried to persuade him to leave, he grabbed him, threatened to hit another member of staff with a broom and told a fellow traveller he would punch him. After escorting passengers to safety, Mr Yarwood confronted the man, who lunged at him and knocked him to the ground. Onlookers described how his attacker "loomed" over Mr Yarwood as he tried to get up and how their heads had briefly touched. One Railway sacked Mr Yarwood after claiming that six seconds of CCTV showed him headbutting the man."So, it sounds as if he was in fact, attacked himself. Therefore, even if the "head touching" was an actual head butt, it sounds justified to me, for self defense. If a security guard can't defend himself or others, then what's the point in having them at all? so not having seen the video you are going to base your opinion on a clearly sensationalized NEWS REPORT?? lol... no thanks I'll still side with those who have actually reviewed the video. Security Guards CAN defend themselves and their charges.. however there are clear guidelines for how they may do so as they are not LEOs, they lack both the training and the athourity... It may suck to be the 'good guys' but if you are incapable of operating inside the parameters required for your job then dont take the job, or accept the consequences when you exceed them. Obviously his bosses believe he exceeded his guidelines, and now he is paying the consequences.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #17 August 24, 2007 >cause they are afraid of some asshat like you . . . Your one warning. Attack the idea, not the person. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sinjin 0 #18 August 24, 2007 no problem,, thanks for the warning.dont let life pass you by Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #19 August 28, 2007 If ten years of direct interaction with train guards has taught me anything its that a good majority of them are bullies that take any opportunity to flex their meat-head muscles and I would wager the incident went like this 1. Some 75kg poor drunk schmoe down on his luck gets a little carried away on the booze and takes his frustration slightly out on others 2. Meathead 145kg train guard who spends his days at the gym and nights on the train is keen to show off his ufc skills and waits for the tiniest amount of provocation to be able to try and get away with smashing the guy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
