Some people _do_ have a plan for Iraq

[billvon 3,132]

There's been lots of talk about how to deal with Iraq, but lately the focus seems to be on who to blame rather than how to move forward. Fortunately, one conservative group, the Family Security Matters group, has a plan:

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Caesar pacified Gaul by mass slaughter; he then used his successful army to crush all political opposition at home and establish himself as permanent ruler of ancient Rome. This brilliant action not only ended the personal threat to Caesar, but ended the civil chaos that was threatening anarchy in ancient Rome – thus marking the start of the ancient Roman Empire that gave peace and prosperity to the known world.

If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies.

He could then follow Caesar's example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court.

President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons.
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http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/challenges.php?id=1208571

[beowulf 1]

Some how I don't think the results would be the same.

[shropshire 0]

....and then the Ides of March.... (every cloud has a silver lining)

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[JohnRich 4]

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[billvon 3,132]

That was fast! Here's the original (from Google's cache)

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Exclusive: Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy
Philip Atkinson

Author: Philip Atkinson
Source: The Family Security Foundation
Date: August 3, 2007

While democratic government is better than dictatorships and theocracies, it has its pitfalls. FSM Contributing Editor Philip Atkinson describes some of the difficulties facing President Bush today.


Conquering the Drawbacks of Democracy
By Philip Atkinson

President George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. He was sworn in for a second term on January 20, 2005 after being chosen by the majority of citizens in America to be president.

Yet in 2007 he is generally despised, with many citizens of Western civilization expressing contempt for his person and his policies, sentiments which now abound on the Internet. This rage at President Bush is an inevitable result of the system of government demanded by the people, which is Democracy.

The inadequacy of Democracy, rule by the majority, is undeniable – for it demands adopting ideas because they are popular, rather than because they are wise. This means that any man chosen to act as an agent of the people is placed in an invidious position: if he commits folly because it is popular, then he will be held responsible for the inevitable result. If he refuses to commit folly, then he will be detested by most citizens because he is frustrating their demands.

When faced with the possible threat that the Iraqis might be amassing terrible weapons that could be used to slay millions of citizens of Western Civilization, President Bush took the only action prudence demanded and the electorate allowed: he conquered Iraq with an army.

This dangerous and expensive act did destroy the Iraqi regime, but left an American army without any clear purpose in a hostile country and subject to attack. If the Army merely returns to its home, then the threat it ended would simply return.

The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead. Then there would be little risk or expense and no American army would be left exposed. But if he did this, his cowardly electorate would have instantly ended his term of office, if not his freedom or his life.

The simple truth that modern weapons now mean a nation must practice genocide or commit suicide. Israel provides the perfect example. If the Israelis do not raze Iran, the Iranians will fulfill their boast and wipe Israel off the face of the earth. Yet Israel is not popular, and so is denied permission to defend itself. In the same vein, President Bush cannot do what is necessary for the survival of Americans. He cannot use the nation's powerful weapons. All he can do is try and discover a result that will be popular with Americans.

As there appears to be no sensible result of the invasion of Iraq that will be popular with his countrymen other than retreat, President Bush is reviled; he has become another victim of Democracy.

By elevating popular fancy over truth, Democracy is clearly an enemy of not just truth, but duty and justice, which makes it the worst form of government. President Bush must overcome not just the situation in Iraq, but democratic government.

However, President Bush has a valuable historical example that he could choose to follow.

When the ancient Roman general Julius Caesar was struggling to conquer ancient Gaul, he not only had to defeat the Gauls, but he also had to defeat his political enemies in Rome who would destroy him the moment his tenure as consul (president) ended.

Caesar pacified Gaul by mass slaughter; he then used his successful army to crush all political opposition at home and establish himself as permanent ruler of ancient Rome. This brilliant action not only ended the personal threat to Caesar, but ended the civil chaos that was threatening anarchy in ancient Rome – thus marking the start of the ancient Roman Empire that gave peace and prosperity to the known world.

If President Bush copied Julius Caesar by ordering his army to empty Iraq of Arabs and repopulate the country with Americans, he would achieve immediate results: popularity with his military; enrichment of America by converting an Arabian Iraq into an American Iraq (therefore turning it from a liability to an asset); and boost American prestiege while terrifying American enemies.

He could then follow Caesar's example and use his newfound popularity with the military to wield military power to become the first permanent president of America, and end the civil chaos caused by the continually squabbling Congress and the out-of-control Supreme Court.

President Bush can fail in his duty to himself, his country, and his God, by becoming “ex-president” Bush or he can become “President-for-Life” Bush: the conqueror of Iraq, who brings sense to the Congress and sanity to the Supreme Court. Then who would be able to stop Bush from emulating Augustus Caesar and becoming ruler of the world? For only an America united under one ruler has the power to save humanity from the threat of a new Dark Age wrought by terrorists armed with nuclear weapons.
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[Zipp0 1]

Well there is a Nixon quote I read the other day that I liked: "When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow."

OTOH, I think maybe them there Family Security folks slept through their ancient history classes.

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[Amazon 7]

DUDE.. everytime I have even suggested something like that..... our wonderful Ultra Right Wing "friends" have suggested I am suffering from delusions... or paranoia...
All the while they are indeed harboring inate fantasies of megalomania.

[billvon 3,132]

>All the while they are indeed harboring inate fantasies of megalomania.

Well, at least a few are. I was struck by this statement:

"The wisest course would have been for President Bush to use his nuclear weapons to slaughter Iraqis until they complied with his demands, or until they were all dead."

Doesn't have the ring of "GLASS PARKING LOT" but hey . . .

[Amazon 7]

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Doesn't have the ring of "GLASS PARKING LOT" but hey . . .

I prefer the "get back into Orbit and nuke them from space" option.


Oil= heat+ sand=asphalt parking lot

Unless you use LOTS of thermonuclear devices

[Remster 30]

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Doesn't have the ring of "GLASS PARKING LOT" but hey . . .

Well, its not like anyone here used terms like that...

Remster

[joedirt 0]

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DUDE.. everytime I have even suggested something like that..... our wonderful Ultra Right Wing "friends" have suggested I am suffering from delusions... or paranoia...

Rest assured you are... pretty sure the president doesn't have to take advice from these people.

[Amazon 7]

Does the megalomania preclude seeing that he in fact IS taking his ideas from such people.?

[jakee 1,611]

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Caesar pacified Gaul by mass slaughter; he then used his successful army to crush all political opposition at home and establish himself as permanent ruler of ancient Rome. This brilliant action not only ended the personal threat to Caesar, but ended the civil chaos that was threatening anarchy in ancient Rome –

That is brilliant!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[joedirt 0]

Waaaay to many big words for me there sister. I'm gonna go back to kneeeling in front of my George bush poster and fantasizing about conquering the world.

Surely this must be my daily routine if I disagree with you.

[Amazon 7]

No it just appears that way from the points found in your posts.

[Richards 0]

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but lately the focus seems to be on who to blame rather than how to move forward

Only lately?

My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.

[Zep 0]

I see just one fault with that plan, Why stop at Iraq.
For real world peace why not divide the planet up between North America, pre EEC Europe (France excluded) and Australasia.
Bingo, An they all lived happily ever after.

Gone fishing