Guest #51 August 24, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotei think saluting while wearing civies are stupid.. it just looks dumb.. and if are going to salute do it right, i see shit load of ppl, especially amongst officers, fire fighters, and cops giving out fucked up salute. right? by what standard? there are hundreds of salutes.. even more if you include those under arms.. I know some 30 variations of sabre salutes that were all 'regulation' at one point... other than active duty members there are no restrictions on the manner of salute. Active Duty have no choices, everyone else can use whatever means they feel appropriate. Civilians who salute should do it properly, or not bother. Proper? what is 'proper' for active duty has absolutely no bearing on any civilian. see below.. two very different yet 'proper' salutes... care to explain why the differences 'should' matter at all to a civilian?? Not to just any civilian - a veteran. It has meaning and significance to those who have served. That's what the bill is about. All the bill says is that it's acceptable to salute, and nothing more. Some people on this thread have said some silly things about it, and I can't wait for someone to say something like "You'll show everyone that you're a war criminal" or some such drivel, but to some people, that's what SC is for. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #52 August 24, 2007 Quote All the bill says is that it's acceptable to salute, and nothing more. and this is arsine, a complete waste of legislative time and therefore tax player dollars..it has ALWAYS been acceptable for Veterans, as once they are no longer active duty CIVILIAN rules apply. Anyone who needed 'clarification' of this also needed a slap on the side of the head. as Kallend pointed out above this is just as stupid as a bill authorizing the eating of apple pie and hotdogs..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #53 August 24, 2007 one more comment on 'proper'. As Ive pointed out what is 'proper' has changed considerably over time, but the point has not..the correct term is 'render respect'. Active duty military have regulations defining how this is done (which have also changed over time.. the US at one point in time used a left... lol), for everyone else the choice in how and when they 'render respect' has always been up to the individual, including the right not to if so desired. We certainly didnt need a bill stating so..I'm a Vet, and I'm more disgusted that our elected officials believe this is an appropriate use of their time and our money. I'm sure there are a few Vets who think we need a law making such respect mandatory.. such people need to spend some more time with the fundamental documents they once swore to defend.____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #54 August 24, 2007 Quote I'm sure there are a few Vets who think we need a law making such respect mandatory. I understand your viewpoint, but it isn't a law making anything "mandatory" - it just says that it's acceptable. Simply a change in etiquette - nothing to get riled about. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,146 #55 August 24, 2007 QuoteQuote I understand your viewpoint, but it isn't a law making anything "mandatory" - it just says that it's acceptable. Simply a change in etiquette - nothing to get riled about. mh . Surely we need laws to govern all aspects of etiquette and manners. I'd start by making it legal to chew with your mouth closed, and legal to say "please" and "thank-you". It would also be nice if we had a law making it legal to offer your seat to the elderly or infirm.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #56 August 24, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote I understand your viewpoint, but it isn't a law making anything "mandatory" - it just says that it's acceptable. Simply a change in etiquette - nothing to get riled about. mh . Surely we need laws to govern all aspects of etiquette and manners. I'd start by making it legal to chew with your mouth closed, and legal to say "please" and "thank-you". It would also be nice if we had a law making it legal to offer your seat to the elderly or infirm. Kallend - you just don't get it either. Why the Straw Man? Why is this such a bone of contention? mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #57 August 24, 2007 >Kallend - you just don't get it either. Well, someone is missing the point. Salute however you choose. I won't give you any grief (assuming you're being respectful) nor would anyone I've ever met give you any grief - whether they are civilians, current military or ex-military. And if you do someday meet someone who gives you grief because of how you honor the flag, suggest they get a life and go on with yours. Don't think we need a law for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Guest #56 August 24, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote I understand your viewpoint, but it isn't a law making anything "mandatory" - it just says that it's acceptable. Simply a change in etiquette - nothing to get riled about. mh . Surely we need laws to govern all aspects of etiquette and manners. I'd start by making it legal to chew with your mouth closed, and legal to say "please" and "thank-you". It would also be nice if we had a law making it legal to offer your seat to the elderly or infirm. Kallend - you just don't get it either. Why the Straw Man? Why is this such a bone of contention? mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #57 August 24, 2007 >Kallend - you just don't get it either. Well, someone is missing the point. Salute however you choose. I won't give you any grief (assuming you're being respectful) nor would anyone I've ever met give you any grief - whether they are civilians, current military or ex-military. And if you do someday meet someone who gives you grief because of how you honor the flag, suggest they get a life and go on with yours. Don't think we need a law for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
billvon 3,107 #57 August 24, 2007 >Kallend - you just don't get it either. Well, someone is missing the point. Salute however you choose. I won't give you any grief (assuming you're being respectful) nor would anyone I've ever met give you any grief - whether they are civilians, current military or ex-military. And if you do someday meet someone who gives you grief because of how you honor the flag, suggest they get a life and go on with yours. Don't think we need a law for that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
