More Guns = More Crime?

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Got anything more recent that October 2004?

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More recent:
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With a simple search I found 31 posts where Juanesky badmouthed QE2.

If NCc hasn't noticed, he is not as perceptive as he seems to think he is.

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If NCc hasn't noticed, he is not as perceptive as he seems to think he is.

What are you talking about?

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Got anything more recent that October 2004?

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Well played.

[kallend 2,112]

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Are you going to play the man or the ball?

Should we look up every time someone from the UK has made a disparaging remark about the US, as well? I'm sure there's PLENTY of posts about 'seppos', 'bloody Yanks' and all the other snipes, slurs and insults.

NCc ASKED for more evidence, and he got it.

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[kallend 2,112]

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If NCc hasn't noticed, he is not as perceptive as he seems to think he is.

What are you talking about?

You didn't ask "Got anything more recent that October 2004? " ?

Must have been someone that stole your password.

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If NCc hasn't noticed, he is not as perceptive as he seems to think he is.

What are you talking about?

You didn't ask "Got anything more recent that October 2004? " ?

Must have been someone that stole your password.

Right. JackC accused Juansky of taking "every conceivable opportunity he possibly can to piss off the British."... and then backed it up with a quote nearly three years old.

I'm sorry the irony of using such an old post to prove a present situation seems lost on you.

Again, how does this show I'm not as perceptive as I seem to think I am?

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Are you going to play the man or the ball?

Should we look up every time someone from the UK has made a disparaging remark about the US, as well? I'm sure there's PLENTY of posts about 'seppos', 'bloody Yanks' and all the other snipes, slurs and insults.

The point being, if you're going to slag off a country at least have the decency to take it on the chin if someone slags yours back.

[kallend 2,112]

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If NCc hasn't noticed, he is not as perceptive as he seems to think he is.

What are you talking about?

You didn't ask "Got anything more recent that October 2004? " ?

Must have been someone that stole your password.

Right. JackC accused Juansky of taking "every conceivable opportunity he possibly can to piss off the British."... and then backed it up with a quote nearly three years old.

I'm sorry the irony of using such an old post to prove a present situation seems lost on you.

Again, how does this show I'm not as perceptive as I seem to think I am?

If you were as perceptive as you like to think, you would not have needed to ask for more recent examples, since you would already have seen them for yourself.

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Again, how does this show I'm not as perceptive as I seem to think I am?

If you were as perceptive as you like to think, you would not have needed to ask for more recent examples, since you would already have seen them for yourself.

Since I don't read (and fully recall) every single post made in Speakers Corner, this means I'm not as perceptive as (you think) I think I am?

LOL

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Since I don't read (and fully recall) every single post made in Speakers Corner, this means I'm not as perceptive as (you think) I think I am?

LOL

Perhaps not as obsessive . . . on that issue.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[kallend 2,112]

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Again, how does this show I'm not as perceptive as I seem to think I am?

If you were as perceptive as you like to think, you would not have needed to ask for more recent examples, since you would already have seen them for yourself.

Since I don't read (and fully recall) every single post made in Speakers Corner, this means I'm not as perceptive as (you think) I think I am?

LOL

What I think of you would get me banned for life if I posted it.

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What I think of you would get me banned for life if I posted it.

So I guess you lose.

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This is quite a good argument - I'll come away from voting though, through lack of decent choice. The reason it's a good article is the simple conclusion;

'...is that violent crime rates are determined instead by underlying cultural factors.'

Now people may see that's justification to prevent a gun ban. More importantly, others may see it as the reason there should be a gun ban. Perhaps not in culturally advanced countries, but in America? Definently.

For all the numerous great things about America, it's cultural issues where the nations gun control problems stem.

That's the area that should be addressed. Gun control is simply the tip of the iceberg. Need I mention examples from Afghanistan and Iraq to reiterate my point?

No need to mention those examples. First, I would suggest you tone down you condescending comments about America, then, check about the great UK contribution to the middle east after WWI and WWII. Should I remind you the whole Palestine fiasco and how poorly it was handled, and how this issue is very alive today?

Well, I am aware of the UK's historical 'contributions' and how badly they relate to current problems in Iraq and Afghanistan. But my post wasn't designed to generate criticism of old British foreign policy, neither was it my intention to begin a UK/US slagging match. That wouldn't achieve anything would it? My intention was simply to point out underlying cultural issues in their regards to gun control in the US.

Of course, I could be equally critical in certain aspects of British underlying cultural issues, but that's not the point in this thread, is it?

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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Sorry you see my comment as being 'snide.' That wasn't its purpose - although I can understand your point of view in this matter. The implication was in regards to guns and crime within the civil populace.

I didn't write the statement to provoke a slagging match though. Ask anyone!

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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This is quite a good argument - I'll come away from voting though, through lack of decent choice. The reason it's a good article is the simple conclusion;

'...is that violent crime rates are determined instead by underlying cultural factors.'

Now people may see that's justification to prevent a gun ban. More importantly, others may see it as the reason there should be a gun ban. Perhaps not in culturally advanced countries, but in America? Definently.

For all the numerous great things about America, it's cultural issues where the nations gun control problems stem.

That's the area that should be addressed. Gun control is simply the tip of the iceberg. Need I mention examples from Afghanistan and Iraq to reiterate my point?

No need to mention those examples. First, I would suggest you tone down you condescending comments about America, then, check about the great UK contribution to the middle east after WWI and WWII. Should I remind you the whole Palestine fiasco and how poorly it was handled, and how this issue is very alive today?

Well, I am aware of the UK's historical 'contributions' and how badly they relate to current problems in Iraq and Afghanistan. But my post wasn't designed to generate criticism of old British foreign policy, neither was it my intention to begin a UK/US slagging match. That wouldn't achieve anything would it? My intention was simply to point out underlying cultural issues in their regards to gun control in the US.

Of course, I could be equally critical in certain aspects of British underlying cultural issues, but that's not the point in this thread, is it?

Of course not, you can procede with your rant against as you said, "culturally inferior" Americana. Is all about bashing the US, and making it all their fault.

The world is in great debt to your "great" culturally superior royals.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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Sorry mate, your wrong. I earlier alluded to old British foreign policy as playing a major part in why we're having such problems in Iraq and Afghanistan today, through our imperialistic meddeling. Here's a quote for you:

"The West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas or values or religion but rather by its superiority in applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this fact, non-Westerners never do."

- Samuel P. Huntington

The 'Great' British empire???

So considering your little rant, I'm happy to descredit the damn thing.

Again, I'm not relating my critiscism of underlying American cultural issues with a superior British culture. That would be insane.

So get off your high horse and recognise the simple critiscism.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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LOL.

100 % Wrong?

Well, in my original response to your post, you were clearly wording your comment in the tone of "the culturally advance countries, instead of the US. I have no high horse to ride, maybe a big SUVm but not a horse.

I find it fascinating that you will conveniently play down the situation in India-Pakistan (mind you UK meddling), Israel-Palestine (again direct UK participation), I understand that you want to make us believe that those hot spots are just figment of our imagination right?

After WWI and II, it was clearly that our European allies, were more concern on keeping their colonies intact, can we say those places aforementioned? including the reminisence of the Ottoman empire, in the middle east, Africa, we can even include Vietnam, Iran, Iraq.

Maybe it is that in Europe they tend not to teach those historical facts anymore, because it is convenient to hide what your govts did, while at the same time approving of your beloved royalty. But some apparently are in need of reeducation in history.


Have a great day buddy and blue skies.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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Bloody hell. You either can't read or are leaning towards insanity.

Try reading the posts again.

'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.'

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I didn't write the statement to provoke a slagging match though. Ask anyone!

Uh huh, sure you didn't.

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