Who is editing Wikipedia? Proof by IP addy!

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You do not understand how greatly SOME Americans value the country we used to have rather than the right wing dictatorship some here in SC dream about and wish to see it become.

I've never seen a single post in this forum that would imply a desire for a right wing dictatorship.

On the other hand some some around here regularly blather on about it actually becoming a reality. Seems obsessively paranoid to me.

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I think you would find there would be some shootings involved should that ever happen. With the level of gun ownership in this country .. there will be true patriots across the country rising up to eradicate that scourge from our country.

That would never happen. Look at Iraq, it was led by an evil man, lots of killings, yet the country had a massive amount of guns owned by its citizens. Now, I know most on this site will now tell me that Americans are off course much braver and just all round better people than the average Iraqi.....but I still call bullshit.

Your's is a crappy analogy about a highly unlikely premise.

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I've never seen a single post in this forum that would imply a desire for a right wing dictatorship.

On the other hand some some around here regularly blather on about it actually becoming a reality. Seems obsessively paranoid to me.

The Patriot Act.... an Administration that circumvents the law in so many ways its sickening.... and the FACT that you apologists seem to think these are good ideas for America is all that is required just like in Germany of the 1930's. They had evil JEWS.. we now have evil Islamic terrorists...

You keep calling me paranoid or delusional.. no its me being pissed off at right wing abuses that turn the stomachs of MOST Americans...I want to see your doctorate in psychology degree when you keep trying to imply that those who do not agree with your cowardly new NEO CON world are all paranoid. Unless you have credentials to do so.. further instances of this VERY well documented defamation will be dealt with accordingly.

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The Patriot Act.... an Administration that circumvents the law in so many ways its sickening.... and the FACT that you apologists seem to think these are good ideas for America is all that is required just like in Germany of the 1930's. They had evil JEWS.. we now have evil Islamic terrorists...

You keep calling me paranoid or delusional.. no its me being pissed off at right wing abuses that turn the stomachs of MOST Americans...I want to see your doctorate in psychology degree when you keep trying to imply that those who do not agree with your cowardly new NEO CON world are all paranoid. Unless you have credentials to do so.. further instances of this VERY well documented defamation will be dealt with accordingly.

I'm an "apologist" who thinks it's a good idea for the Administration to skirt the law? How about producing a single post supporting this claim or admit it's just a malicious lie.

My "cowardly new NEO CON world"? Again, how about producing a single post supporting this claim or admit it's just a malicious lie.

It's one thing for people to disagree with my point of view. It's something completely different for people to make up bullshit claims about what is my point of view.

I hope the distinction is not lost on you.

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ITs simple really.. in the NEO CON WORLD....... cowardism is the norm... look at how many are warmongers...yet have never served a day...nor have their children...preferring to run the other way when any kind policy might have put them in harms way.

I also have to wonder WHY.. you take the broad brush that is used to paint those right wingers who continually support most of what this administration has done to run our country into the ground..... and then take is soooooooo personally...there are terms for that kind of self imposed guilt.

IF you are constantly supporting the misdeeds and law breaking of this administration.. then yes you just might be an apologist for them.

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ITs simple really.. in the NEO CON WORLD....... cowardism is the norm... look at how many are warmongers...yet have never served a day...nor have their children...preferring to run the other way when any kind policy might have put them in harms way.

Honestly, this just sounds like so much extremist rhetoric.

Cowardism? WTF?

Do you really think any politician who has not served in the military should not have a say in military matters? Considering fewer and fewer Washington politicians have this kind of experience, such a prerequisite could really hamstring us in the future.

What does whether or not their children serve have to do with anything? It's completely irrelevant.

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I also have to wonder WHY.. you take the broad brush that is used to paint those right wingers who continually support most of what this administration has done to run our country into the ground..... and then take is soooooooo personally...there are terms for that kind of self imposed guilt.

Maybe it's because you dishonestly label me with that same broad brush.

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IF you are constantly supporting the misdeeds and law breaking of this administration.. then yes you just might be an apologist for them.

That's a big "if", which you frequently try to put on me, even though you have nothing to back it up with.

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What does whether or not their children serve have to do with anything? It's completely irrelevant

It shows a pattern of" that boy just was not raised right"

If you are going to support wars of convienience and greed.... then you need to go fight in them.. and you should encourage your offspring to serve their country as well for fun and profit just like the good old days.

Look at the level of service found in the men of this administration.. draft evaders...... almost to a man during Vietnam... and their children have seen fit to follow in their footsteps.. YET.. most of them are hard core supporters of this war in Iraq.. the wrong war at the wrong time.. for all the wrong reasons( especially when the reasons have changed over and over and over) as a grab for the oil.

At least on here SOME of the right wingers have actually served their country....some.

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I really would have hoped for a bit more creativity from someone in the employ of the CIA.

I mean come on, "Wahhhhhh"? What are they in, the third grade?

This collection of edits reinforces that, just like most companies, even the CIA has desk jockeys that spend more time at work browsing the web than they spend doing their job. Even if you can "get your job done" quickly, if your job has you sitting at a computer all day, I'd wager there are ways to help out further (and maybe get ahead faster) that you are missing by sitting around editing wikipedia articles. This is especially true of large companies and organizations that get mention on the wired list.

This kind of thing is also the biggest reason behind almost all major companies' restricted internet use policy. Bandwidth strains are nothing compared to bad press.

That said, I'm out of here, I have to go get ready for work.

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What does whether or not their children serve have to do with anything? It's completely irrelevant

It shows a pattern of" that boy just was not raised right"

If you are going to support wars of convienience and greed.... then you need to go fight in them.. and you should encourage your offspring to serve their country as well for fun and profit just like the good old days.

A good analogy is if one's family encouraged them to join the KKK, then something is wrong if they didn't?

However one might find your chickenhawks, I don't see how their kids not serving applies in any way to the argument - for or against. Kids tend to take different paths. You are a good example aren't you?

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What does whether or not their children serve have to do with anything? It's completely irrelevant

It shows a pattern of" that boy just was not raised right"

According to who?

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If you are going to support wars of convienience and greed.... then you need to go fight in them.. and you should encourage your offspring to serve their country as well for fun and profit just like the good old days.

Your assertion about "wars of convenience and greed" is just simple nonsense.

Saying that junior should volunteer because daddy voted "yeah" is more nonsense.

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Look at the level of service found in the men of this administration.. draft evaders...... almost to a man during Vietnam.

It's pretty much a given that anyone who could get a deferment(sp?) or a prefered assignment during the 60s, especially after the war escalated, took full advantage of those options. How many Democrats in Congress voluntarily enlisted in the Army especially after 1965, when our involvement spiked as did anti-war sentiment?

I notice you haven't offered anything to support your bullshit claims about me.

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A good analogy is if one's family encouraged them to join the KKK, then something is wrong if they didn't?

However one might find your chickenhawks, I don't see how their kids not serving applies in any way to the argument - for or against. Kids tend to take different paths. You are a good example aren't you?

Would you really equate serving our country... to joining the KKK????

The mind boggles

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It's pretty much a given that anyone who could get a deferment(sp?) or a prefered assignment during the 60s, especially after the war escalated, took full advantage of those options. How many Democrats in Congress voluntarily enlisted in the Army especially after 1965, when our involvement spiked as did anti-war sentiment?

How many of those Democrats started a war so their former business buddies and contacts could get rich from it..

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Would you really equate serving our country... to joining the KKK????

The mind boggles

"Analogy" is not "equal"

I wouldn't, but Errico should be signing on soon.

I simplify it since you are on a roll - Do you want to be judged (for good or bad) by how your family acts, or by how you act?

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In this case I would be judged on HOW I acted and served... and how some in my family acted to protect the rest of us from the slimebags in the family.



Face it.. this administration is filled with elitists.. who feel they are above that sort of service and they raise their spawn to that same level of elitism so they can realize their full potential for greed.

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It's pretty much a given that anyone who could get a deferment(sp?) or a prefered assignment during the 60s, especially after the war escalated, took full advantage of those options. How many Democrats in Congress voluntarily enlisted in the Army especially after 1965, when our involvement spiked as did anti-war sentiment?

How many of those Democrats started a war so their former business buddies and contacts could get rich from it..

We're all still waiting for the proof on THAT bullshit claim as well.

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Face it.. this administration is filled with elitists.. who feel they are above that sort of service and they raise their spawn to that same level of elitism so they can realize their full potential for greed.

Those would be the same 'elitists' that have MORE members in Congress that have served in the military, correct? I mean, you ARE talking about the Repubs there, right?

Oddly enough, with all the Dems that are talking about how they 'support the troops', I've not seen any news reports about THEIR families rushing down to the recruiting stations... seems like it MIGHT just be endemic to politics as a whole and not just one 'side' or another.

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Face it.. this administration is filled with elitists.. who feel they are above that sort of service and they raise their spawn to that same level of elitism so they can realize their full potential for greed.

Those would be the same 'elitists' that have MORE members in Congress that have served in the military, correct? I mean, you ARE talking about the Repubs there, right?

Oddly enough, with all the Dems that are talking about how they 'support the troops', I've not seen any news reports about THEIR families rushing down to the recruiting stations... seems like it MIGHT just be endemic to politics as a whole and not just one 'side' or another.

Ssssh!!!

She's on a roll...





ducking the main point with time tested redirects.

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Ah you are of the mind that you cant support our troops....if you do not support the war mind set...


There is a difference you know.. of a Democrat.. who does not support the war with BILLIONS or TRILLIONS of our tax dollars... but does support increased VA benefits.. and better conditions in VA hospitals.. that will have to take care of those who did serve.. for the rest of their lives.

As opposed to Republicans who support the big war profiteers and military spending... and then cut VA benefits.... or allow former servicement to exist in squalid VA facilities.. until they get caught with their pants down.... like just happend within the last year.

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Ah you are of the mind that you cant support our troops....if you do not support the war mind set...


There is a difference you know.. of a Democrat.. who does not support the war with BILLIONS or TRILLIONS of our tax dollars... but does support increased VA benefits.. and better conditions in VA hospitals.. that will have to take care of those who did serve.. for the rest of their lives.

As opposed to Republicans who support the big war profiteers and military spending... and then cut VA benefits.... or allow former servicement to exist in squalid VA facilities.. until they get caught with their pants down.... like just happend within the last year.

Hypothetically speaking, of course.

Or do you actually know the motivations of each voting member of Congress? I'm guess it's more of that broad brush.

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Or do you actually know the motivations of each voting member of Congress? I'm guess it's more of that broad brush.

Ye will know them by their deeds

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Or do you actually know the motivations of each voting member of Congress? I'm guess it's more of that broad brush.

Ye will know them by their deeds

Funny... I don't recall hearing about the Dems boycotting a vote on VA funding...

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Here's a list of some egregious Wiki edits, compiled by The Independent.

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Exxon Mobil and the giant oil slick

An IP address that belongs to ExxonMobil, the oil giant, is linked to sweeping changes to an entry on the Exxon Valdez oil spill of 1989. An allegation that the company "has not yet paid the $5 billion in spill damages it owes to the 32,000 Alaskan fishermen" was replaced with references to the funds the company has paid out.

The Republican Party and Iraq

The Republican Party edited Saddam Hussein's Ba'ath Party entry so it made it clear that the US-led invasion was not a "US-led occupation" but a "US-led liberation."

The CIA and casualties of war

A computer with a CIA IP address was used to change a graphic on casualties of the Iraq war by adding the warning that many of the figures were estimated and not broken down by class. Another entry on former CIA chief William Colby was edited to expand his cv.

The Labour Party and careerist MPs

An anonymous surfer at the Labour Party's headquarters removed a section about Labour students referring to "careerist MPs", and criticisms that the party's student arm was no longer radical.

Dow Chemical and the Bhopal disaster

A computer registered to the Dow Chemical Company is recorded as deleting a passage on the Bhopal chemical disaster of 1984, which occurred at a plant operated by Union Carbide, now a wholly owned Dow subsidiary. The incident cost up to 20,000 lives.

Diebold and the dubious voting machines

Voting-machine company Diebold apparently excised long paragraphs detailing the US security industry's concerns over the integrity of their voting machines, and information about the company's chief executive's fundraising for President Bush. The text, deleted in November 2005, was very rapidly restored by another Wikipedia contributor, who advised the anonymous editor, "Please stop removing content from Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism."

The Israeli government and the West Bank wall

A computer linked to the Israeli government twice tried to delete an entire article about the West Bank wall that was critical of the policy. An edit from the same address also modified the entry for Hizbollah describing all its operations as being "mostly military in nature".

The dog breeders and fatal maulings

A dog breeders association in America removed references to two fatal maulings of humans by the Perro de Presa Canario dogs in the US. In 2001 a woman was attacked and killed by two Presa Canario/Mastiff hybrids in the hallway of her apartment building in San Fransisco. Last year a pure-bred Presa Canario fatally mauled a woman in Florida.

The gun lobby and fatal shootings

The National Rifle Association of America doctored concerns about its role in the increase in gun fatalities by replacing the passage with a reference to the association's conservation work in America.

Discovery Channel and guerrilla marketing

A source traced to Discovery Communications, the company that owns the Discovery Channel, deleted reference to company's reputation for " guerrilla marketing".

MySpace and self-censorship

Someone working from an IP address linked to MySpace appears to have been so irritated by references to the social networking website's over-censorial policy that they removed a paragraph accusing MySpace of censorship.

Boeing and a threat to its supremacy

Boeing has made it clear that it is not just one of the world's leading aircraft manufacturers, but is in fact the leading company in this field.

The church's child abuse cover-up

Barbara Alton, assistant to Episcopal Bishop Charles Bennison, in America, deleted information concerning a cover-up of child sexual abuse, allegations that the Bishop misappropriated $11.6 million in trust funds, and evidence of other scandals. When challenged about this, Alton claims she was ordered to delete the information by Presiding Bishop Katherine Jefferts Schori.

Amnesty and anti-Americanism

A computer with an Amnesty International IP address was used to delete references accusing the charity of holding an anti-American agenda.

Dell computer out-sourcing

Dell removed a passage about how the company out-sourced its support divisions overseas.

Nestle and corporate criticism

Someone from Nestle removed criticisms of some of the company's controversial business practices, which have all subsequently been re-added.

The FBI and Guantánamo

The FBI has removed aerial images of the Guantánamo Bay Naval base in Cuba.

Scientologists and sensitivity

Computers with IP addresses traced to the Church of Scientology were used to expunge critical paragraphs about the cult's world-wide operations.

News International and the hypocritical anti-paedophile campaign

Someone at News International saw fit to remove criticism of the News of the World's anti-paedophile campaign by deleting the suggestion that this amounted to editorial hypocrisy. The original entry reminded readers that the paper continued to "publish semi-nude photographs of page three models as young as 16 and salacious stories about female celebrities younger than that."

Oliver Letwin and his great disappearing act

An edit linked to the Conservative Party IP address expunged references to The MP Oliver Letwin's gaffe during the 2001 general election when he reportedly said he wanted to cut "future public spending by fully 20 billion pounds per annum relative to the plans of the Labour government" . The accompanying paragraph, explaining that when his own party failed to support the move he took a low profile on the election campaign, was also removed.

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of only interest to gamers but EA is guilty of much the same.

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On multiple occasions, a user with an IP address of 159.153.4.50 which lies within a range registered to Electronic Arts' Redwood City headquarters removed hard facts from Electronic Arts Wikipedia page.

Expectedly, several paragraphs from the "Criticism" section had been removed. All references to the notorious EA-Spouse and other stories about EA's overworked and undercompensated employees have been omitted. A paragraph about the class action lawsuit filed by disgruntled EA employees was edited to say that EA has "led the industry in reforming work/life balance issues that are endemic to the software industry" and that " Since that time, many other game companies have been struck with similar lawsuits."

Some of the changes seem unreasonable. For some unexplained reason, reference to Trip Hawkins' founding of the company in the main description of the entry and a paragraph from the "History" section detailing Hawkins' business plan have been removed. A few months later, on April 5, the same EA ip deleted all remaining refrences to Trip Hawkins and added a paragraph emphasizing the achievements of Larry Probst, former EA CEO and current chairman, when he became sales VP in 1984. ...........IP addresses registered to EA have made 1,351 changes to EA's Wikipedia page, about one third of these modifications have been made by the ip mentioned above. Many of the changes attempted by this EA-registered IP have since been reversed by the Wikipedia community.

illustrating that the Wiki concept runs afoul of human nature and blatant self interest in nearly every arena..

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