ryoder 1,590
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normiss 871
I second that emotion!
Given the current powers that the police and the court system has, I'm not sure we'll ever see anything remotely close. ![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]"){kind=small}
and prison does NOT reform criminals whatsoever.
we'll just keep locking them up though...
ryoder 1,590
and prison does NOT reform criminals whatsoever.
I heard an argument that rather than reform, the purpose of the prison system is really to prevent procreation by people with a genetic predisposition to violence.
The sorry state of our prison system certainly makes it a more plausible explanation than rehabilitation. Think about it: If you had a dog that bit someone, would you lock it up in a cage full of wild dogs for a month, then let it out and expect it to behave?
Of course the genetic explanation for prison is also an argument against conjugal visits.
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.
So you don’t think Locking them away is good, You don’t think Killing them is necessary..
How should we deal with criminals? You know.. The really bad people that do really bad things Like armed robbery?
Or do you also think there are not really bad people in the world. They are all just victims of society??
I know.. How about we just tell them don’t do that again and let them go?
How should we deal with criminals? You know.. The really bad people that do really bad things Like armed robbery?
Or do you also think there are not really bad people in the world. They are all just victims of society??
I know.. How about we just tell them don’t do that again and let them go?
ryoder 1,590
So you don’t think Locking them away is good, You don’t think Killing them is necessary..
Oh PLEASE! Go back and read what I said. I never opposed prison. I just think prisons should be run by the staff, and not by the inmates. There is no excuse for a guy getting busted for possessing pot getting locked up where he winds up being somebody's bitch. Of course if we weren't busy overcrowding our prisons with people for victimless crimes, we would have the resources to properly staff and manage them.
I have no problem locking someone up for life w/o parole for murder. I'm just not so naive that I think the criminal justice system is fit to make irreversible decisions.
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.
Zipp0 1
So, if you're in Texas, and your buddy starts killing someone, you might as well help, and then help hide the evidence too.
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Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.
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Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.
jakee 1,571
Certain actions forfeit someone right to live. Killing others in cold blood does. Participating in the killing of others in Cold Blood does as well.
It is not Murder to remove those elements from society so that we may all be safer.
And when the criminal justice system gets it wrong?
How many innocent people are you prepared to kill to keep the death penalty? Put it as a percentage of total executions.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
So, if you're in Texas, and your buddy starts killing someone, you might as well help, and then help hide the evidence too.
If I am in the process of Committing Armed Robbery at the time (Or driving them around KNOWINGLY committing multiple Armed Robberies), I am already fucked.
This wasn’t a guy out on a Sunday drive with his buddies. This guy was driving his buddies around looking for people to Rob at gun point (You know.. Pull up, Stick a Gun in their face and threaten to kill them if they don’t give you money). What part of that do you not get??
he Knew his buddy was Robbing people at Gun Point. He helped his Buddy Rob people at Gun Point. When someone got shot while doing this, He gets to share the penalty for doing this. I see nothing wrong with that.
How many innocent people are you prepared to kill to keep the death penalty? Put it as a percentage of total executions.
This guy is in no way innocent. What don’t you get there??
The innocent people here were the Victims. The ones they Robbed at Gun point and the one they Murdered in his Driveway.
Bad people that did bad things. Good riddance.
NOT Innocent at all. CRIMINALS. Violent Criminals.
Butters 0
I agree with you. I don't understand why people are more concerned about the life of the criminal than the life of the victim?
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
Zipp0 1
This isn't 3rd grade "If you do something wrong I punish the whole class" stuff.
There is no way that someone along for a robbery is as guilty as a person who willfully killed someone. Also, it sounds like on this particular incident, the dude wasn't even near the scene of the crime. Maybe if he was there, he would have stopped the murder.
Sure, the guy is a dirtbag crook, but in a fair and just society you don't execute someone for their buddy's murdering ways.
If you are out at a bar and your buddy gets in a drunken brawl, should they charge you with assault? No. You can say that there are different circumstances here, but the law must be written for all situations, and in most cases, this law is shit.
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Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.
There is no way that someone along for a robbery is as guilty as a person who willfully killed someone. Also, it sounds like on this particular incident, the dude wasn't even near the scene of the crime. Maybe if he was there, he would have stopped the murder.
Sure, the guy is a dirtbag crook, but in a fair and just society you don't execute someone for their buddy's murdering ways.
If you are out at a bar and your buddy gets in a drunken brawl, should they charge you with assault? No. You can say that there are different circumstances here, but the law must be written for all situations, and in most cases, this law is shit.
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Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.
One more time for the Class..
A R M E D - R O B B E R Y!!
That is what these guys were up to. That is what they were doing. Putting a Gun in Random INNOCENT people faces and threatneing to KILL Them.
This guy was FULLY AWARE that is what they were doing.
Not a DUI, Not A Bar Room Brawl, Not an Innocent Bystander. A Willful Partisipant in ARMED ROBBERY, Multiple Armed Robberies. He was NOT Minding his own Business and Innocent. He was Taking his Buddies around to DO BAD THINGS.
I know they Claim that THIS time they were not going to Rob the guy, But that is not credible. They were following thier exact MO as the previous Robberies. Stop the car, Get out, Point Gun at VICTIM. This Time Victim is shot and killed. They are ALL Guilty of Murder. This was at Least the third time that night they had done this.
If I am a WILLFUL Partisipant in ARMED ROBBERY and someone gets Killed, I Should get the Chair too. No doubt about it.
A R M E D - R O B B E R Y!!
That is what these guys were up to. That is what they were doing. Putting a Gun in Random INNOCENT people faces and threatneing to KILL Them.
This guy was FULLY AWARE that is what they were doing.
Not a DUI, Not A Bar Room Brawl, Not an Innocent Bystander. A Willful Partisipant in ARMED ROBBERY, Multiple Armed Robberies. He was NOT Minding his own Business and Innocent. He was Taking his Buddies around to DO BAD THINGS.
I know they Claim that THIS time they were not going to Rob the guy, But that is not credible. They were following thier exact MO as the previous Robberies. Stop the car, Get out, Point Gun at VICTIM. This Time Victim is shot and killed. They are ALL Guilty of Murder. This was at Least the third time that night they had done this.
If I am a WILLFUL Partisipant in ARMED ROBBERY and someone gets Killed, I Should get the Chair too. No doubt about it.
Butters 0
If you are out at a bar and your buddy gets in a drunken brawl, should they charge you with assault? No. You can say that there are different circumstances here, but the law must be written for all situations, and in most cases, this law is shit.
Did you and your buddy go there with the intention of starting a drunken brawl? Stop treating criminals like children ... they should be responsible for their actions and they should know the consequences of their actions.
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
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How should we deal with criminals? You know.. The really bad people that do really bad things Like armed robbery?
PERMANENT EXILE and a life sentence to the brand new Federal Prison Islands of ATTU and KISKA in the Aleutian Islands.
You try to escape from the islands... the weather and the sea will do the execution.
PERMANENT EXILE and a life sentence to the brand new Federal Prison Islands of ATTU and KISKA in the Aleutian Islands.
You try to escape from the islands... the weather and the sea will do the execution.
I can agree with that. (But then we might end up with another austrailia!!
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Richards 0
No. Since you will be held accountable for what he does, you stop him. If I was trying to do something that would result in punishment for us both would you not try to stop me?
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
No. Since you will be held accountable for what he does, you stop him. If I was trying to do something that would result in punishment for us both would you not try to stop me?
Perhaps that'll work if you can stop him before the first person is dead. After that, it's not what he does that'll get you, it's what he gets caught at.
Blues,
Dave
"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)
(drink Mountain Dew)
Richards 0
If you are out at a bar and your buddy gets in a drunken brawl, should they charge you with assault?
No because being at a bar with your buddy is not a crime. If the driver in this case had merely been driving his friend from point A to B with no criminal intent, and then his buddy just jumped out for no reason and shot someone else, I would not hold the driver responsible. Conversely if you went to a bar with your buddy to "stir up some shit" and then followed along with your buddy while he followed some guy out saying "lets fuck this guy up" then I would hold you and your buddy equally responsible if your buddy went too far and killed the guy.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
Richards 0
No. Since you will be held accountable for what he does, you stop him. If I was trying to do something that would result in punishment for us both would you not try to stop me?
Perhaps that'll work if you can stop him before the first person is dead. After that, it's not what he does that'll get you, it's what he gets caught at.
Agreed, but I am not worried as much about accomplices helping hide dead bodies as I am about accomplices standing by and letting their freinds turn living people into dead bodies. This can save lives.
If you are with me on a crime, then yes you will have an incentive to help hide any bodies I create but you will have a very big incentive to stop me from making any bodies in the first place. Even if it is just a mugging. For example, if you me and a third guy are thugs and we decide to corner a single guy (just using our hands) and rob him (mosly with bit of shoving and intimidation) then yes you can get into some trouble for that. If suddenly I go berzerk and punch him unconscious and then start kicking him in the head while he is unconscious, both you and your buddy will be up on murder charges if you do not stop me. There are all sorts of variables but I am sure this will save more lives than it will risk.
My biggest handicap is that sometimes the hole in the front of my head operates a tad bit faster than the grey matter contained within.
One more time for the Class..
A R M E D - R O B B E R Y!!
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If I am a WILLFUL Partisipant in ARMED ROBBERY and someone gets Killed, I Should get the Chair too. No doubt about it.
And on that point I guess we just fundamentally disagree. I think capital punishment, if used at all, should be reserved for those criminals who personally, actively, intentionally bring death or great harm to another and maybe those conspire to do so. If YOU kill someone, or YOU intentionally arrange for someone else to be killed, or YOU rape a child to the extent that it needs its genitals reconstructed surgically, or YOU willfully abuse a child to the point that it is quadriplegic or vegetative or horribly burned...these are instances for which I think the death penalty might be appropriate. Armed robbery? No. Driver for an armed robber? No. Driver for someone who kills someone? No, especially if said killing wasn't even part of the plan.
Blues,
Dave
"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!"
(drink Mountain Dew)
(drink Mountain Dew)
When you can prove to me the criminal justice system is infallible, and we aren't convicting innocent people, THEN I will consider the death penalty an option.
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