shropshire 0 #51 August 12, 2007 You started it (see post #15 if you need a reminder) ........ you invaded Iraq (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #52 August 12, 2007 QuoteYou started it (see post #15 if you need a reminder) I believe I took a generalized statement in this thread to start it. Something about and ill coneived mimssion. You stated that opinion as fact So, I said you are wrong. Get specific WITH FACTS if you don't want the same thrown back at you ........ you invaded Iraq"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #53 August 12, 2007 > The surge is presently working (according to the MSM) Excellent! Of course, they've been reporting that for as long as the surge was begun. It's great that you believe them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #54 August 13, 2007 Quote> The surge is presently working (according to the MSM) Excellent! Of course, they've been reporting that for as long as the surge was begun. It's great that you believe them. Ah yes, eyes wide shut. Good, keeps your blood presure down"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
idrankwhat 0 #55 August 13, 2007 Quote Quote I'll agree, it's all the media's fault. If they hadn't been so damn lazy, forgotten how to think/remember/question, and resigned themselves to vomiting repetitive talking points so they didn't get their press passes yanked, we wouldn't have gotten into this mess. All of the information was and still is there. But only a very few were looking at it. Yep, and you are leading the pack Thanks for noticing. I've offered to include you but you don't seem to want to listen. Here, maybe you'll pay attention to this guyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #56 August 13, 2007 (It) changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it’s in our best interests. But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #57 August 13, 2007 Quote(It) changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it’s in our best interests.It was and still it But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. Call it what ever you want. We did and are doing the right thing being over there. It is, despite you assurtions, the correct thing to be doing IMO"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iceburner 0 #58 August 13, 2007 lets not forget it took the US 6 years to draft a constitution that still has changes made to it....what makes you think Iraq will go any quicker? When a captian i knew was trying to teach them civics and politics, when he first arrived in the village they were excited because they thought "new dictator" had arrived...and were happy....they have had no concept of democracy...you can't teach people that in a couple years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #59 August 13, 2007 QuoteCall it what ever you want. We did and are doing the right thing being over there. It is, despite you assurtions, the correct thing to be doing IMO Why? And by that I mean why do you think it was and is the correct thing to do? Presumably you believe that in some ways things are better today than they were 4 years ago, and that the improvements are significant enough to justify both the economic and human costs involved in bringing them about. So what is so much better today that makes it worth the price? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #60 August 13, 2007 QuoteQuoteCall it what ever you want. We did and are doing the right thing being over there. It is, despite you assurtions, the correct thing to be doing IMO Why? And by that I mean why do you think it was and is the correct thing to do? Yes Presumably you believe that in some ways things are better today than they were 4 years ago, and that the improvements are significant enough to justify both the economic and human costs involved in bringing them about.Yes, but there is much more to it than that So what is so much better today that makes it worth the price?No attacks have been carried out on US soil yet. And don't give me the are more of them now BS. That can not be measured despite what some have said. Despite what the feel good leftist would have us think, freedom is not free. Despite what the left would have us think, SH was a direct threat to US security. Despite what the left wants everyone to believe, they are not the only ones that can form educated and inteligent opinions on world events and happenings. Despites the teachings that Bush is stupid and only works for Rove cause he is the brains, Bush has won nearly every war with the left. Bush leads from a perspective that has not waivered despite the attacks. A moral compass is what good leaders have. I look forward to the same of Bush making the left look silly, even after Rove is gone"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #61 August 13, 2007 Quotelets not forget it took the US 6 years to draft a constitution that still has changes made to it....what makes you think Iraq will go any quicker? When a captian i knew was trying to teach them civics and politics, when he first arrived in the village they were excited because they thought "new dictator" had arrived...and were happy....they have had no concept of democracy...you can't teach people that in a couple years. Good points! Thanks"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Iceburner 0 #62 August 14, 2007 it's a lot of little things that people (both lefties and rights) overlook...it took the US 6 years to draft a constitution...our first one failed...we went through a civil war, we still had minorities with no rights up untill the last centry. We are still an evolving and "new" country. Democracy is hard, especially when you are trying to build one from nothing. All the Iraqi's (and afghans) knew before the US got invovled was dictatorship. Horrible things were carried out by SH and his regime. People will want to get revenge, people will not know what to do with their freedom, and it will be a long and bumpy road...but without support i truely believe it will be a longer and harder path for the people over there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,611 #63 August 14, 2007 Yes, a lot of people do overlook that. Particularly the people who say things like "War is a way of life for these people, always has been, always will be and that is never going to change until we bomb them back to the stone age." Those people don't tend to be lefties Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #64 August 14, 2007 Quote Yes, a lot of people do overlook that. Particularly the people who say things like "War is a way of life for these people, always has been, always will be and that is never going to change until we bomb them back to the stone age." Those people don't tend to be lefties Lefty or righty, they tend to be a very, very tiny segment of the population.... but thanks for interjecting that viewpoint, all the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,611 #65 August 14, 2007 Small, maybe, but very, very tiny? I can think of a fair few people on this forum alone who have repeatedly expressed that exact view.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #66 August 14, 2007 Hyperbole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ErricoMalatesta 0 #67 August 14, 2007 Quote Despite what the left would have us think, SH was a direct threat to US security. Is this another case of you saying something that you are aware doesn't make any sense or are all global analysts including the CIA 'the left'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #68 August 14, 2007 QuoteQuote(It) changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it’s in our best interests.It was and still it But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. Call it what ever you want. We did and are doing the right thing being over there. It is, despite you assurtions, the correct thing to be doing IMO Did you happen to notice that my post was a copy&paste of something Bush himself said? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #69 August 14, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote(It) changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it’s in our best interests.It was and still it But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. Call it what ever you want. We did and are doing the right thing being over there. It is, despite you assurtions, the correct thing to be doing IMO Did you happen to notice that my post was a copy&paste of something Bush himself said? Yes, and it does not change my point"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,611 #70 August 14, 2007 Quote Hyperbole. From me, you or them?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Iceburner 0 #71 August 14, 2007 QuoteQuote Despite what the left would have us think, SH was a direct threat to US security. Is this another case of you saying something that you are aware doesn't make any sense or are all global analysts including the CIA 'the left'. i tend to put this into the same catagory of Hitler not being a direct threat to the US...yet we wanted him out of power (even long before Japan bombed Pearl Harbor). Wether or not you agree or disagree with the presidents reasons for entering into conflict, SH was a bad man, an evil dictator, and is better off not being in power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #72 August 14, 2007 QuoteQuote(It) changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it’s in our best interests.It was and still it But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. Call it what ever you want. We did and are doing the right thing being over there. It is, despite you assurtions, the correct thing to be doing IMO I love this.. its amazing how many people are willing to do the 'correct' thing... as long as it isnt THEIR life that is on the line for it... far to many people use the 'royal we' yet they themselves have never, will never touch Iraqi sand..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #73 August 14, 2007 Quote Quote Quote (It) changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it’s in our best interests.It was and still it But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. Call it what ever you want. We did and are doing the right thing being over there. It is, despite you assurtions, the correct thing to be doing IMO I love this.. its amazing how many people are willing to do the 'correct' thing... as long as it isnt THEIR life that is on the line for it... far to many people use the 'royal we' yet they themselves have never, will never touch Iraqi sand.. Which is what? 96% of the population? Nice analogy"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #74 August 15, 2007 I was speaking about the more 'vocal' element right here... who isnt and wont do a damn thing but TALK about how 'we' are doing the 'right thing' ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,132 #75 August 15, 2007 >who isnt and wont do a damn thing but TALK about how 'we' are doing the 'right thing' Would be more accurately summarized as "someone else is doing the right thing." 'It is easy to be brave from a safe distance.' -Aesop Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next Page 3 of 5 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
rushmc 23 #61 August 13, 2007 Quotelets not forget it took the US 6 years to draft a constitution that still has changes made to it....what makes you think Iraq will go any quicker? When a captian i knew was trying to teach them civics and politics, when he first arrived in the village they were excited because they thought "new dictator" had arrived...and were happy....they have had no concept of democracy...you can't teach people that in a couple years. Good points! Thanks"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iceburner 0 #62 August 14, 2007 it's a lot of little things that people (both lefties and rights) overlook...it took the US 6 years to draft a constitution...our first one failed...we went through a civil war, we still had minorities with no rights up untill the last centry. We are still an evolving and "new" country. Democracy is hard, especially when you are trying to build one from nothing. All the Iraqi's (and afghans) knew before the US got invovled was dictatorship. Horrible things were carried out by SH and his regime. People will want to get revenge, people will not know what to do with their freedom, and it will be a long and bumpy road...but without support i truely believe it will be a longer and harder path for the people over there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #63 August 14, 2007 Yes, a lot of people do overlook that. Particularly the people who say things like "War is a way of life for these people, always has been, always will be and that is never going to change until we bomb them back to the stone age." Those people don't tend to be lefties Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #64 August 14, 2007 Quote Yes, a lot of people do overlook that. Particularly the people who say things like "War is a way of life for these people, always has been, always will be and that is never going to change until we bomb them back to the stone age." Those people don't tend to be lefties Lefty or righty, they tend to be a very, very tiny segment of the population.... but thanks for interjecting that viewpoint, all the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #65 August 14, 2007 Small, maybe, but very, very tiny? I can think of a fair few people on this forum alone who have repeatedly expressed that exact view.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ErricoMalatesta 0 #67 August 14, 2007 Quote Despite what the left would have us think, SH was a direct threat to US security. Is this another case of you saying something that you are aware doesn't make any sense or are all global analysts including the CIA 'the left'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #68 August 14, 2007 QuoteQuote(It) changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it’s in our best interests.It was and still it But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. Call it what ever you want. We did and are doing the right thing being over there. It is, despite you assurtions, the correct thing to be doing IMO Did you happen to notice that my post was a copy&paste of something Bush himself said? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #69 August 14, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuote(It) changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it’s in our best interests.It was and still it But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. Call it what ever you want. We did and are doing the right thing being over there. It is, despite you assurtions, the correct thing to be doing IMO Did you happen to notice that my post was a copy&paste of something Bush himself said? Yes, and it does not change my point"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #70 August 14, 2007 Quote Hyperbole. From me, you or them?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Iceburner 0 #71 August 14, 2007 QuoteQuote Despite what the left would have us think, SH was a direct threat to US security. Is this another case of you saying something that you are aware doesn't make any sense or are all global analysts including the CIA 'the left'. i tend to put this into the same catagory of Hitler not being a direct threat to the US...yet we wanted him out of power (even long before Japan bombed Pearl Harbor). Wether or not you agree or disagree with the presidents reasons for entering into conflict, SH was a bad man, an evil dictator, and is better off not being in power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #72 August 14, 2007 QuoteQuote(It) changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it’s in our best interests.It was and still it But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. Call it what ever you want. We did and are doing the right thing being over there. It is, despite you assurtions, the correct thing to be doing IMO I love this.. its amazing how many people are willing to do the 'correct' thing... as long as it isnt THEIR life that is on the line for it... far to many people use the 'royal we' yet they themselves have never, will never touch Iraqi sand..____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #73 August 14, 2007 Quote Quote Quote (It) changed into a nation-building mission and that’s where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don’t think our troops ought to be used for what’s called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it’s in our best interests.It was and still it But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. Call it what ever you want. We did and are doing the right thing being over there. It is, despite you assurtions, the correct thing to be doing IMO I love this.. its amazing how many people are willing to do the 'correct' thing... as long as it isnt THEIR life that is on the line for it... far to many people use the 'royal we' yet they themselves have never, will never touch Iraqi sand.. Which is what? 96% of the population? Nice analogy"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #74 August 15, 2007 I was speaking about the more 'vocal' element right here... who isnt and wont do a damn thing but TALK about how 'we' are doing the 'right thing' ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #75 August 15, 2007 >who isnt and wont do a damn thing but TALK about how 'we' are doing the 'right thing' Would be more accurately summarized as "someone else is doing the right thing." 'It is easy to be brave from a safe distance.' -Aesop Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
