Amazon 7 #126 August 17, 2007 Do you understand the difference between Presidential elections and Mid Term elections???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #127 August 17, 2007 QuoteDo you understand the difference between Presidential elections and Mid Term elections???? What have I said that would make you think I don't? Or is this another example of you thinking something about me, even though there is nothing to support it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sv3n 0 #128 August 17, 2007 QuoteI wonder why we don't hear much about the 2006 election. The general mood among conservatives was "OUCH", "That really sucked"... "Okay, let's move on". You mean 2004? There's people that argue that too. Here you go.....http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen Here's some more interesting reading material for you regarding 2006 and before.........http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0610/S00377.htm But anyways....we're on to voting machines and opinions on electronic voting....and you're in violation of your face! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #129 August 17, 2007 >I think you're confusing a general statement in The Declaration of >Independence and The Constitution of the United States of America. He's spot-on. The Declaration of Independence was written by the 'founding fathers' and was quite clear on the issue of where rights came from. The Constitution lists those rights, and indeed the Bill of Rights states explicitly that powers not reserved by state or local governments belong to the people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #130 August 17, 2007 Quote>I think you're confusing a general statement in The Declaration of >Independence and The Constitution of the United States of America. He's spot-on. The Declaration of Independence was written by the 'founding fathers' and was quite clear on the issue of where rights came from. The Constitution lists those rights, and indeed the Bill of Rights states explicitly that powers not reserved by state or local governments belong to the people. You liberals and your inconvienient outdated documents... wsheesh.... All power and rights are derived from the corporations and the politicians that are bought and paid for by said corporations. Its a brave new neo con world..... didnt you get the appropriate memos?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #131 August 17, 2007 >If conservatives are whining and crying about it seven years after the fact . . . Conservatives have indeed been crying about Clinton for that long. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #132 August 17, 2007 Quote Quote I wonder why we don't hear much about the 2006 election. The general mood among conservatives was "OUCH", "That really sucked"... "Okay, let's move on". You mean 2004? There's people that argue that too. Here you go.....http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen Here's some more interesting reading material for you regarding 2006 and before.........http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0610/S00377.htm But anyways....we're on to voting machines and opinions on electronic voting. My point was that when the Dems come out on the short end, then complaining and whining and excuses never seem to end. When the Repubs lose out, they move on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #133 August 17, 2007 Quote>If conservatives are whining and crying about it seven years after the fact . . . Conservatives have indeed been crying about Clinton for that long. Perhaps you can show me those threads complaining about the outcome of the 1992 and 1996 elections. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #134 August 17, 2007 Quote My point was that when the Dems come out on the short end, then complaining and whining and excuses never seem to end. When the Repubs lose out, they move on. EXCEPT when the apologists stike when ever one of their scumbag hypocrites gets caught with his hands in the Gay jar... or the young page jar.. or the K street Jar... or the contractor kickback on governemnt contracts jar... after PREACHING to us all about the evils of said actions for years.....then they roll out the Clinton Blow Job to say neener neener Dems have scandals too... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #135 August 17, 2007 Quote>I think you're confusing a general statement in The Declaration of >Independence and The Constitution of the United States of America. He's spot-on. The Declaration of Independence was written by the 'founding fathers' and was quite clear on the issue of where rights came from. The Constitution lists those rights, and indeed the Bill of Rights states explicitly that powers not reserved by state or local governments belong to the people. What "God-given rights" are specifically addressed in the Bill of Rights? Please provide direct quotes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #136 August 17, 2007 >What "God-given rights" are specifically addressed in >the Bill of Rights? Please provide direct quotes. The Bill of Rights does not refer to God-given rights, nor did anyone claim that. You may want to re-read the thread; you seem to think someone said something they didn't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #137 August 17, 2007 QuoteQuote>I think you're confusing a general statement in The Declaration of >Independence and The Constitution of the United States of America. He's spot-on. The Declaration of Independence was written by the 'founding fathers' and was quite clear on the issue of where rights came from. The Constitution lists those rights, and indeed the Bill of Rights states explicitly that powers not reserved by state or local governments belong to the people. You liberals and your inconvienient outdated documents... wsheesh.... All power and rights are derived from the corporations and the politicians that are bought and paid for by said corporations. Its a brave new neo con world..... didnt you get the appropriate memos?? Earth to Amazon.. Earth to Amazon.. Come in, Amazon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #138 August 17, 2007 Quote Quote My point was that when the Dems come out on the short end, then complaining and whining and excuses never seem to end. When the Repubs lose out, they move on. EXCEPT when the apologists stike when ever one of their scumbag hypocrites gets caught with his hands in the Gay jar... or the young page jar.. or the K street Jar... or the contractor kickback on governemnt contracts jar... after PREACHING to us all about the evils of said actions for years.....then they roll out the Clinton Blow Job to say neener neener Dems have scandals too... Are we still talking about elections? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #139 August 17, 2007 QuoteAs a citizen of the United States of America, you have the right to keep and bear arms and the other rights covered in the Bill of Rights NOT because the government grants you those rights. The Founding Fathers were quite specific in that these rights were God-given. The Bill of Rights states what these God-given rights are. Spot on, eh Bill? Are "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" addressed in the Constitution? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #140 August 17, 2007 >Spot on, eh Bill? Yes. Let's review: The Founding Fathers were quite specific in that these rights were God-given. Read their exposition on it in the Declaration of Independence. So we agree that the rights the founding fathers were talking about are God-given (by their definition.) 11 years later, they met in the same hall to write a constitution to describe those rights. They succeeded, and now the constitution lists those God-given rights they fought for in the american revolution and codified in our constitution and bill of rights. >Are "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" addressed in the Constitution? ?? No. Is the right to own a gun listed in the Declaration of Independence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #141 August 17, 2007 Quote Earth to Amazon.. Earth to Amazon.. Come in, Amazon. More playing the player... how common of you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #142 August 17, 2007 These Gun Control threads are always the same. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #143 August 17, 2007 QuoteI really am glad that the 2000 Election results are supported by all the right wing posters here. Its not how the game is played.... winning or losing is everything. SOOOO when Hillary wins under similar circumstances... I guess you will not mind if I gloat for 8 years either.... and point it out frequently with a big I told you so. I think NCClimber has a good point about 2000 versus 2006. As a left and right winger (pick the issue), I saw 2000 as a dead heat, within the range of error. As best we could count it on *objective* methods, Bush won. Pigs will be breaking the sound barrier if Hillary wins, but if she wins Florida by 500 votes, good for her. Hopefully she'll not continue the trend of ripping up the Constitution, something that hasn't been respected by the White House since Carter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #144 August 17, 2007 Quote My point was that when the Dems come out on the short end, then complaining and whining and excuses never seem to end. When the Repubs lose out, they move on. OTOH, this was proven wrong when Dornan lost to Sanchez in Santa Ana. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #145 August 17, 2007 Quote>Spot on, eh Bill? Yes. Let's review: The Founding Fathers were quite specific in that these rights were God-given. Read their exposition on it in the Declaration of Independence.What specific rights are you talking about? QuoteSo we agree that the rights the founding fathers were talking about are God-given (by their definition.)We can agree that the Declaration of Independence addressed certain God-given rights. Quote11 years later, they met in the same hall to write a constitution to describe those rights. They who? The signers of the Declaration of Independence were by and large a different group of men from those who ratified the Constitution. QuoteThey succeeded, and now the constitution lists those God-given rights they fought for in the american revolution and codified in our constitution and bill of rights. What God-given rights are "codified in our constitution and bill of rights"? Specifically? Quote>Are "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" addressed in the Constitution? ?? No. Is the right to own a gun listed in the Declaration of Independence? No. And I don't consider it a God-given right. The Declaration and the Constitution are two completely separate documents that serve(d) two completely different purposes. I can't help thinking you're just trolling. This is all pretty laughable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Para_Frog 1 #146 August 17, 2007 QuoteThese Gun Control threads are always the same. Really...this was about coitus Ka-boomus... But I have thoroughly enjoyed watching it devolve into the same tired bullshit. I wanted a little insight into the possibility that it's a fantastic cover story for a homicide. I personally think that if the man had shot the woman, he would be staring at an indictment right now. Fo shizzle...- Harvey, BASE 1232 TAN-I, IAD-I, S&TA BLiNC Magazine Team Member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #147 August 17, 2007 >I can't help thinking you're just trolling. And your exceptional facility for intentional misunderstanding has been honed to a razor's edge, lately. Bravo, sir! I shall now return to my recalcitrant buck converter. (And if you choose to interpret that as "I have a shell and I am returning it to a deer" more power to you.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #148 August 17, 2007 Quote >I can't help thinking you're just trolling. And your exceptional facility for intentional misunderstanding has been honed to a razor's edge, lately. Bravo, sir! Putting the onus on another for one of your pet ploys. Well played. How convenient that you didn't address any of my points about the actual topic we were discussing. What happened? Did you finally realize that you were completely wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #149 August 17, 2007 Quote. . . then they roll out the Clinton Blow Job . . . I wonder who rolls it out most often? . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #150 August 17, 2007 QuoteQuote. . . then they roll out the Clinton Blow Job . . . I wonder who rolls it out most often? A little less than half as often as the Neo Con label gets bandied about and a little more than Chicken Hawk gets used. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
