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Yes, time is being wasted here, but not yours

And I feel the exact opposite.

OK, you still have not responded to the facts about what the US SC actually did regarding the Florida election. Are you going to?

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Yes, time is being wasted here, but not yours

And I feel the exact opposite.

OK, you still have not responded to the facts about what the US SC actually did regarding the Florida election. Are you going to?

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Yes, time is being wasted here, but not yours

And I feel the exact opposite.

OK, you still have not responded to the facts about what the US SC actually did regarding the Florida election. Are you going to?

At approximately 7:50 pm EST on election night, the television news networks declared that Gore had carried Florida's 25 electoral votes. They based this prediction on faulty[citation needed] exit polls. However, in the actual vote tally Bush took a wide early lead in Florida, and by 10 pm the networks had retracted their earlier prediction of a Gore victory and placed Florida back into the "undecided" column. At approximately 2:30 am, with some 85% of the votes counted in Florida and Bush leading Gore by over 100,000 votes, the television networks declared that Bush had carried Florida, and had been elected President. However, most of the remaining votes to be counted in Florida were located in three heavily Democratic counties - Broward, Miami-Dade, and Palm Beach - and as their votes were reported Gore began to rapidly gain on Bush. By 4:30 am Gore had narrowed Bush's margin to less than 2,000 votes, and the television networks all retracted their predictions that Bush had won Florida and the Presidency. Gore, who had publicly conceded the election[1], now withdrew his concession and announced that he would wait for a recount in Florida before making his next move. By the morning of Wednesday, November 8 Bush's margin in Florida had dwindled to about 500 votes. The margin was small enough to trigger a mandatory recount in the state. In addition, Gore asked for hand recounts in four counties (Broward, Miami Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia), as provided for under Florida state law. This set into motion a series of recounts (portions by machine, and portions by hand), questions about portions of the Florida vote, and finally lawsuits.

These ultimately ended in a December 12 5-4 United States Supreme Court decision which ended the Florida recounts and allowed Florida to certify its vote. The vote was certified by Katherine Harris, the Florida Secretary of State and a Republican who had publicly supported Bush during the campaign. Additionally, Bush's younger brother, Jeb Bush, was the governor of Florida and this led to allegations that Harris and Bush had somehow manipulated the election to favor the governor's brother.[5][6] Bush's margin of victory in Florida was officially placed at 537 votes (out of more than 5.8 million cast), making it the closest presidential election in the history of the state. The nine members of the Supreme Court voted along partisan lines in the split decision with the two swing voters[7] (Justices O'Connor and Kennedy) siding with the three conservatives (Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justices Scalia, and Thomas) outvoting the Court's four liberals (Justices Ginsburg, Souter, Stevens, and Breyer). Due to all of these factors, the 2000 presidential campaign has become one of the most controversial, and disputed, elections in American history.


directly from wikipedia......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000

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Yes, time is being wasted here, but not yours

And I feel the exact opposite.

OK, you still have not responded to the facts about what the US SC actually did regarding the Florida election. Are you going to?

At approximately 7:50 pm EST on election night, the television news networks declared that Gore had carried Florida's 25 electoral votes. They based this prediction on faulty[citation needed] exit polls. However, in the actual vote tally Bush took a wide early lead in Florida, and by 10 pm the networks had retracted their earlier prediction of a Gore victory and placed Florida back into the "undecided" column. At approximately 2:30 am, with some 85% of the votes counted in Florida and Bush leading Gore by over 100,000 votes, the television networks declared that Bush had carried Florida, and had been elected President. However, most of the remaining votes to be counted in Florida were located in three heavily Democratic counties - Broward, Miami-Dade, and Palm Beach - and as their votes were reported Gore began to rapidly gain on Bush. By 4:30 am Gore had narrowed Bush's margin to less than 2,000 votes, and the television networks all retracted their predictions that Bush had won Florida and the Presidency. Gore, who had publicly conceded the election[1], now withdrew his concession and announced that he would wait for a recount in Florida before making his next move. By the morning of Wednesday, November 8 Bush's margin in Florida had dwindled to about 500 votes. The margin was small enough to trigger a mandatory recount in the state. In addition, Gore asked for hand recounts in four counties (Broward, Miami Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia), as provided for under Florida state law. This set into motion a series of recounts (portions by machine, and portions by hand), questions about portions of the Florida vote, and finally lawsuits.

These ultimately ended in a December 12 5-4 United States Supreme Court decision which ended the Florida recounts and allowed Florida to certify its vote. The vote was certified by Katherine Harris, the Florida Secretary of State and a Republican who had publicly supported Bush during the campaign. Additionally, Bush's younger brother, Jeb Bush, was the governor of Florida and this led to allegations that Harris and Bush had somehow manipulated the election to favor the governor's brother.[5][6] Bush's margin of victory in Florida was officially placed at 537 votes (out of more than 5.8 million cast), making it the closest presidential election in the history of the state. The nine members of the Supreme Court voted along partisan lines in the split decision with the two swing voters[7] (Justices O'Connor and Kennedy) siding with the three conservatives (Chief Justice Rehnquist and Justices Scalia, and Thomas) outvoting the Court's four liberals (Justices Ginsburg, Souter, Stevens, and Breyer). Due to all of these factors, the 2000 presidential campaign has become one of the most controversial, and disputed, elections in American history.


directly from wikipedia......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election,_2000

First off if you trust only this site I understand why you post what you do. You have not however responded to the points that are true. Those being the recount Gore asked for was illeagal or at least did not follow Florida election law. The Florida SC attempted to re-write Florida election law by allowing a "partial" recount. (a perfect example of a rogue court) not to mention the fact that no party asked for the Florida court to intervien. They did this on thier own accord.

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What are you smokin? I never said the supreme court passed the electoral college. Read before you respond. The supreme court stopped the recount and thereby elected Mr Bush president.

I'm sorry if I can't understand your poor writing and knowledge of the subject. You seem capable of little more than posting the vote count over and over.

You wrote that in context of a discussion of the Electoral College. I'm not going to guess why you thought that - I don't understand many of your thoughts in this thread.

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Sorry, a lot are quick replies.....there's a life out there besides posting and sometimes I am busy with it. I will, honestly, try to be a little more clear.

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What are you smokin? I never said the supreme court passed the electoral college. Read before you respond. The supreme court stopped the recount and thereby elected Mr Bush president.

I'm sorry if I can't understand your poor writing and knowledge of the subject. You seem capable of little more than posting the vote count over and over.

You wrote that in context of a discussion of the Electoral College. I'm not going to guess why you thought that - I don't understand many of your thoughts in this thread.

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First off if you trust only this site I understand why you post what you do. You have not however responded to the points that are true. Those being the recount Gore asked for was illeagal or at least did not follow Florida election law. The Florida SC attempted to re-write Florida election law by allowing a "partial" recount. (a perfect example of a rogue court) not to mention the fact that no party asked for the Florida court to intervien. They did this on thier own accord.

Keep digging

Well...............we can argue the standards and correctness of wikipedia if you like and of course since I posted the link to that it absolutely the only source that I trust. The nice thing about internet sources that aren't owned by huge corporations which are run by buddies of the person they're discussing. A good example would be AT&T cutting out Pearl Jam's lyrics about President Bush during a webcast performance because they were anti-bush.....if you don't think that happens with news, you're blind. Look at the war for instance, the mainstream media helped get everybody behind it, without ever going and asking good questions to see if this is really needed or not and what the reasons behind it are. And now, 4,000 american lives later and 5 years.......we still haven't found those weapons of mass destruction nor found their Al Queda training camps, you know because the administration implied a link between Iraq and 9/11. To quote Beck....."don't believe everything that you breathe". The nice thing about wikipedia is that it's user written and then people can contest the validity and get it changed....try doing that with the media, you'll get a retraction on page 842 or in the credits of the broadcast.

As far as the recount.........."By the morning of Wednesday, November 8 Bush's margin in Florida had dwindled to about 500 votes. The margin was small enough to trigger a mandatory recount in the state. In addition, Gore asked for hand recounts in four counties (Broward, Miami Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia), .This set into motion a series of recounts (portions by machine, and portions by hand), questions about portions of the Florida vote, and finally lawsuits."

And then there's the person who certified the count....."The vote was certified by Katherine Harris, the Florida Secretary of State and a Republican who had publicly supported Bush during the campaign" But it fails to mention that she had been named as Bush's Florida campaign co-chair the year before. Isn't that nice.......plus her office was directly responsible for removing more than enough votes to win the election for gore........"In addition, by Harris' decree, ChoicePoint — a private firm — was hired prior to the election to identify and remove thousands of names from the state voters list on the condition that these people were convicted felons. Many of these would-be voters were turned away at the polls or even prior to reaching the polling places. It would later be discovered that approximately 97% of the people removed from the list — and thus denied the right to vote in the election — were not felons at all. The majority of these voters were African-American, and as African-Americans predominantly vote Democratic, the situation suggested foul play.[13] In any case, the thousands of votes affected by Choicepoint's error were far in excess of the number of votes (537) by which George W. Bush won the state. Whether or not there was deliberate action to prevent likely Gore supporters from voting is subject to intense debate, as is Harris' role in the process."

Due to the liability and ownership major news corporations never really covered this.......wait they did, in europe.

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You wrote that in context of a discussion of the Electoral College...

...,in a thread titled Gun Control but which is really about sex...

If one of them had shouted "OMG" during the act we would have had a full house.

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You wrote that in context of a discussion of the Electoral College...

...,in a thread titled Gun Control but which is really about sex...

If one of them had shouted "OMG" during the act we would have had a full house.

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Yes, time is being wasted here, but not yours

And I feel the exact opposite.

OK, you still have not responded to the facts about what the US SC actually did regarding the Florida election. Are you going to?

A story from the World Socialist Web Site about a US Presidential election? Isn't that kind of like using a white supremacy site to show that there is no racism in the US?

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First off if you trust only this site I understand why you post what you do. You have not however responded to the points that are true. Those being the recount Gore asked for was illeagal or at least did not follow Florida election law. The Florida SC attempted to re-write Florida election law by allowing a "partial" recount. (a perfect example of a rogue court) not to mention the fact that no party asked for the Florida court to intervien. They did this on thier own accord.

Keep digging

Well...............we can argue the standards and correctness of wikipedia if you like and of course since I posted the link to that it absolutely the only source that I trust. The nice thing about internet sources that aren't owned by huge corporations which are run by buddies of the person they're discussing. A good example would be AT&T cutting out Pearl Jam's lyrics about President Bush during a webcast performance because they were anti-bush.....if you don't think that happens with news, you're blind. Look at the war for instance, the mainstream media helped get everybody behind it, without ever going and asking good questions to see if this is really needed or not and what the reasons behind it are. And now, 4,000 american lives later and 5 years.......we still haven't found those weapons of mass destruction nor found their Al Queda training camps, you know because the administration implied a link between Iraq and 9/11. To quote Beck....."don't believe everything that you breathe". The nice thing about wikipedia is that it's user written and then people can contest the validity and get it changed....try doing that with the media, you'll get a retraction on page 842 or in the credits of the broadcast.

As far as the recount.........."By the morning of Wednesday, November 8 Bush's margin in Florida had dwindled to about 500 votes. The margin was small enough to trigger a mandatory recount in the state. In addition, Gore asked for hand recounts in four counties (Broward, Miami Dade, Palm Beach, and Volusia),WHICH WAS ILLEAGAL UNDER FLORIDA LAW!!!!. See, you do get it .By law the whole state or nothing. A state recount showed Bush won. No iregularities were found under any investigationThis set into motion a series of recounts (portions by machine, and portions by hand), questions about portions of the Florida vote, and finally lawsuits."

And then there's the person who certified the count....."The vote was certified by Katherine Harris, the Florida Secretary of State and a Republican who had publicly supported Bush during the campaign" But it fails to mention that she had been named as Bush's Florida campaign co-chair the year before. Isn't that nice.......plus her office was directly responsible for removing more than enough votes to win the election for gore........"In addition, by Harris' decree, ChoicePoint — a private firm — was hired prior to the election to identify and remove thousands of names from the state voters list on the condition that these people were convicted felons. Many of these would-be voters were turned away at the polls or even prior to reaching the polling places. It would later be discovered that approximately 97% of the people removed from the list — and thus denied the right to vote in the election — were not felons at all. The majority of these voters were African-American, and as African-Americans predominantly vote Democratic, the situation suggested foul play.[13] In any case, the thousands of votes affected by Choicepoint's error were far in excess of the number of votes (537) by which George W. Bush won the state. Whether or not there was deliberate action to prevent likely Gore supporters from voting is subject to intense debate, as is Harris' role in the process."Harris followed state law. The law Gore wished to ignore. She was and is deomonized because the is what the left does during temper tantrums.

Due to the liability and ownership major news corporations never really covered this.......wait they did, in europe.

Gore lost, you need to get past that

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The people vote for who they want elected. If the totalled votes say the people want a certain person as their president, how could you support a system that keeps that from happening and why would you support such a system?

The system is about electoral counts, not popular votes. It is what it is. An intelligent discussion on it has to consider the purpose of it beyond simplistic logistics and 'popular vote' mantra. Can you discuss why state's rights are less important now vs then? That's a good discussion. This other stuff is just sophomoric nonsense.

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It doesn't make any sense......it's the most unamerican thing that I can think of. Every person's vote should count equally and should not be skewed by a system that allows mistakes

Actually - the country was based on State's rights being dominant. The electoral college system is extremely American per the original structure.

Again, there were NO MISTAKES in the electoral results. Only regrets

Hanky panky by both parties might have occurred at the state level in various states, but abolishing the elector system wouldn't fix those, those are more insidious - example, the Florida fiddling by the dems was an effort to falsely claim a statewide "popular" vote result.

I don't know why you hate Grover Cleveland so much.

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the "cleanup" of the Florida voter rolls is a fair topic to discuss, but not within the confines of the accuracy of the Florida vote count. Those people didn't cast votes, so you can't include what you think they would have done in the results.

Usually the best option available is a new election, though that wouldn't work for the Presidential one due to time considerations.

I'll add that people (voters) do have a little more responsibility than showing up on the night of the election and expecting to vote. Voting in the primary is a nice start. In California, we get a sample ballot with the details of our polling station (these can change) over a month before the election with the details on how to get an absentee ballot. If you don't receive one, that's an indication of a problem. I've been absentee only for years now to avoid most of the problems of election night (in my case, getting out of work in time).

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A state recount showed Bush won. No iregularities were found under any investigation

here's the VP of ChoicePoint testifying about the 90,000 irregularities that you say don't exist (his testimony starts at 4:10) and while it's youtube it's video of his testimony that's sort of undeniable fact http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPOmOTyDm1w

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Gore lost, you need to get past that

Watch that whole video and see where you're at then.

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the "cleanup" of the Florida voter rolls is a fair topic to discuss, but not within the confines of the accuracy of the Florida vote count. Those people didn't cast votes, so you can't include what you think they would have done in the results.

Usually the best option available is a new election, though that wouldn't work for the Presidential one due to time considerations.

I'll add that people (voters) do have a little more responsibility than showing up on the night of the election and expecting to vote. Voting in the primary is a nice start. In California, we get a sample ballot with the details of our polling station (these can change) over a month before the election with the details on how to get an absentee ballot. If you don't receive one, that's an indication of a problem. I've been absentee only for years now to avoid most of the problems of election night (in my case, getting out of work in time).

Right on...there is no way to know for certain what people would have voted. But you can take the following things in to account and do the math.....

- if 90% of african americans, 62% of hispanics, 55% of asians, and 55% of the other group voted democratic in the 2000 election (42% of whites also voted democratic)
(source CNN: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/index.epolls.html)

- 94,000 voters were removed on the basis that they were felons, but only 1 out of 30 was an actual felon, that means that somewhere around 90,866 rightful voters were turned away, and 53% of those were minorities.

(source: http://www.wheresthepaper.org/CEPN_Centralized_Voter_Reg_1.pdf)

- bush "won" florida by 537 votes
(http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm)

report on the nonexisting inaccuracies...http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/florida.htm

more testimony fun....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-YXvxYbck



here's why Gore asked for recounts in four specific counties....

"....Winchester and her equals in Hillsborough, Broward, and Miami-Dade Counties came under some heavy criticism for the 170,000 total undervotes in their four counties."
(http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/t/tapper-dirty.html)

that's a lot of missing votes.

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the "cleanup" of the Florida voter rolls is a fair topic to discuss, but not within the confines of the accuracy of the Florida vote count. Those people didn't cast votes, so you can't include what you think they would have done in the results.

Usually the best option available is a new election, though that wouldn't work for the Presidential one due to time considerations.

I'll add that people (voters) do have a little more responsibility than showing up on the night of the election and expecting to vote. Voting in the primary is a nice start. In California, we get a sample ballot with the details of our polling station (these can change) over a month before the election with the details on how to get an absentee ballot. If you don't receive one, that's an indication of a problem. I've been absentee only for years now to avoid most of the problems of election night (in my case, getting out of work in time).

Right on...there is no way to know for certain what people would have voted. But you can take the following things in to account and do the math.....

- if 90% of african americans, 62% of hispanics, 55% of asians, and 55% of the other group voted democratic in the 2000 election (42% of whites also voted democratic)
(source CNN: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/index.epolls.html)

- 94,000 voters were removed on the basis that they were felons, but only 1 out of 30 was an actual felon, that means that somewhere around 90,866 rightful voters were turned away, and 53% of those were minorities.

(source: http://www.wheresthepaper.org/CEPN_Centralized_Voter_Reg_1.pdf)

- bush "won" florida by 537 votes
(http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm)

report on the nonexisting inaccuracies...http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/florida.htm

more testimony fun....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-YXvxYbck



here's why Gore asked for recounts in four specific counties....

"....Winchester and her equals in Hillsborough, Broward, and Miami-Dade Counties came under some heavy criticism for the 170,000 total undervotes in their four counties."
(http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/t/tapper-dirty.html)

that's a lot of missing votes.

Gore lost! Get over it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Gore lost! Get over it

No. Bush was declared the president by the Supreme Court. We don't actually know who won or lost the election.

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the "cleanup" of the Florida voter rolls is a fair topic to discuss, but not within the confines of the accuracy of the Florida vote count. Those people didn't cast votes, so you can't include what you think they would have done in the results.

Usually the best option available is a new election, though that wouldn't work for the Presidential one due to time considerations.

I'll add that people (voters) do have a little more responsibility than showing up on the night of the election and expecting to vote. Voting in the primary is a nice start. In California, we get a sample ballot with the details of our polling station (these can change) over a month before the election with the details on how to get an absentee ballot. If you don't receive one, that's an indication of a problem. I've been absentee only for years now to avoid most of the problems of election night (in my case, getting out of work in time).

Right on...there is no way to know for certain what people would have voted. But you can take the following things in to account and do the math.....

- if 90% of african americans, 62% of hispanics, 55% of asians, and 55% of the other group voted democratic in the 2000 election (42% of whites also voted democratic)
(source CNN: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/index.epolls.html)

- 94,000 voters were removed on the basis that they were felons, but only 1 out of 30 was an actual felon, that means that somewhere around 90,866 rightful voters were turned away, and 53% of those were minorities.

(source: http://www.wheresthepaper.org/CEPN_Centralized_Voter_Reg_1.pdf)

- bush "won" florida by 537 votes
(http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm)

report on the nonexisting inaccuracies...http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/florida.htm

more testimony fun....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-YXvxYbck



here's why Gore asked for recounts in four specific counties....

"....Winchester and her equals in Hillsborough, Broward, and Miami-Dade Counties came under some heavy criticism for the 170,000 total undervotes in their four counties."
(http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/t/tapper-dirty.html)

that's a lot of missing votes.

Gore lost! Get over it

Wait?!?! I thought no irregularities were found?

Gotta love it........you get proof and it's just well, uh, get over it, yeah...that's in the past let's not worry about that.

Reality check, if it happened once it can happen again......regardless of who does it, repub or dem. You should be upset, not complacent.

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Gore lost! Get over it

No. Bush was declared the president by the Supreme Court. We don't actually know who won or lost the election.

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Gore lost! Get over it

No. Bush was declared the president by the Supreme Court. We don't actually know who won or lost the election.

Ya, we do and you still need to get over it

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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the "cleanup" of the Florida voter rolls is a fair topic to discuss, but not within the confines of the accuracy of the Florida vote count. Those people didn't cast votes, so you can't include what you think they would have done in the results.

Usually the best option available is a new election, though that wouldn't work for the Presidential one due to time considerations.

I'll add that people (voters) do have a little more responsibility than showing up on the night of the election and expecting to vote. Voting in the primary is a nice start. In California, we get a sample ballot with the details of our polling station (these can change) over a month before the election with the details on how to get an absentee ballot. If you don't receive one, that's an indication of a problem. I've been absentee only for years now to avoid most of the problems of election night (in my case, getting out of work in time).

Right on...there is no way to know for certain what people would have voted. But you can take the following things in to account and do the math.....

- if 90% of african americans, 62% of hispanics, 55% of asians, and 55% of the other group voted democratic in the 2000 election (42% of whites also voted democratic)
(source CNN: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/index.epolls.html)

- 94,000 voters were removed on the basis that they were felons, but only 1 out of 30 was an actual felon, that means that somewhere around 90,866 rightful voters were turned away, and 53% of those were minorities.

(source: http://www.wheresthepaper.org/CEPN_Centralized_Voter_Reg_1.pdf)

- bush "won" florida by 537 votes
(http://www.fec.gov/pubrec/2000presgeresults.htm)

report on the nonexisting inaccuracies...http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/florida.htm

more testimony fun....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky-YXvxYbck



here's why Gore asked for recounts in four specific counties....

"....Winchester and her equals in Hillsborough, Broward, and Miami-Dade Counties came under some heavy criticism for the 170,000 total undervotes in their four counties."
(http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/t/tapper-dirty.html)

that's a lot of missing votes.

Gore lost! Get over it

Wait?!?! I thought no irregularities were found?

Gotta love it........you get proof and it's just well, uh, get over it, yeah...that's in the past let's not worry about that.

Reality check, if it happened once it can happen again......regardless of who does it, repub or dem. You should be upset, not complacent.

Proof???? dam you are kidding right

Gore lost!!

GET OVER IT

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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By law the whole state or nothing. A state recount showed Bush won. No iregularities were found under any investigation

here's the irregularities you say don't exist.....

· Key officials anticipated before Election Day, that there would be an increase in levels of voter turnout based upon new voter registration figures, but did not ensure that the precincts in all communities received adequate resources to meet their needs;

· At least one unauthorized law enforcement checkpoint was set up on Election Day resulting in complaints that were investigated by the Florida Highway Patrol and the Florida Attorney General;

· Non-felons were removed from voter registration rolls based upon unreliable information collected in connection with sweeping, state sponsored felony purge policies;

· Many African Americans did not cast ballots because they were assigned to polling sites that did not have adequate resources to confirm voting eligibility status;

· College students and others submitted voter registration applications on a timely basis to persons and agencies responsible for transmitting the applications to the proper officials, but in many instances these applications were not processed in a timely or proper manner under the National Voter Registration Act (“motor-voter law”);

· Many Jewish and elderly voters received defective and complicated ballots that may have produced “overvotes” and “undervotes;”

· Some polling places were closed early and some polling places were moved without notice;

· Old and defective election equipment was found in poor precincts;

· Many Haitian Americans and Puerto Rican voters were not provided language assistance when required and requested;

· Persons with disabilities faced accessibility difficulties at certain polling sites;

· Too few poll workers were adequately trained and too few funds were committed to voter education activities


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Proof???? dam you are kidding right

Gore lost!!

GET OVER IT

I would call that proof that there were some irregularities. You must be a big fan of people being denied their right to vote because of all the smiley faces. Personally, I don't think it's funny.

...and you're in violation of your face!

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>Gore lost!!

Yes, he did. Of course, more people voted for him than for Bush; he was by far the more popular choice. Get over it.

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By law the whole state or nothing. A state recount showed Bush won. No iregularities were found under any investigation

here's the irregularities you say don't exist.....

· Key officials anticipated before Election Day, that there would be an increase in levels of voter turnout based upon new voter registration figures, but did not ensure that the precincts in all communities received adequate resources to meet their needs;

· At least one unauthorized law enforcement checkpoint was set up on Election Day resulting in complaints that were investigated by the Florida Highway Patrol and the Florida Attorney General;

· Non-felons were removed from voter registration rolls based upon unreliable information collected in connection with sweeping, state sponsored felony purge policies;

· Many African Americans did not cast ballots because they were assigned to polling sites that did not have adequate resources to confirm voting eligibility status;

· College students and others submitted voter registration applications on a timely basis to persons and agencies responsible for transmitting the applications to the proper officials, but in many instances these applications were not processed in a timely or proper manner under the National Voter Registration Act (“motor-voter law”);

· Many Jewish and elderly voters received defective and complicated ballots that may have produced “overvotes” and “undervotes;”

· Some polling places were closed early and some polling places were moved without notice;

· Old and defective election equipment was found in poor precincts;

· Many Haitian Americans and Puerto Rican voters were not provided language assistance when required and requested;

· Persons with disabilities faced accessibility difficulties at certain polling sites;

· Too few poll workers were adequately trained and too few funds were committed to voter education activities


http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/florida.htm

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Proof???? dam you are kidding right

Gore lost!!

GET OVER IT

I would call that proof that there were some irregularities. You must be a big fan of people being denied their right to vote because of all the smiley faces. Personally, I don't think it's funny.

All you post here has been beaten to death for years. You want to go with the sore loser crowd. Frankly I think that is sad.

Have you ever thought is funny that when D win there are no problems. When R's win the population got screwed.


GORE GOT BEAT BY GWB FAIR AND SQUARE. A rogue state SC got bitch slapped for trying to change the rules. It is that simple

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I'm sorry that you're wrong on this, but you claimed that there were no irregularities, well there were........read the "STATUS REPORT ON PROBE OF ELECTION PRACTICES IN FLORIDA DURING THE 2000 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION".....here's the link for the report, again just in case you missed it http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/florida.htm

Was there enough irregularities to beat that 537 votes? It's very likely since it's a very small number of votes, but we will honestly never know because the Supreme Court stopped the mandatory recount. In the four specific counties that Gore requested there were 170,000 votes "missing" or uncounted, that's a lot of missing votes and it doesn't include the rest of the state.

You also said that nobody asked the Supreme Court to intervene..........Wrong, the name on the petition was Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris (cnn report...http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0011/15/bn.04.html), also Bush's Florida campaign co-chair and the person in charge of hiring DBT / ChoicePoint, the people who made that nice little list that kept 90,000 people from rightfully voting.

You'll be glad to know that the deadlines that keep getting brought up as the reason why we didn't have time to do a recount and why it needed to be stopped was also put in place by.....you got it, Katherine Harris.

You can play all the little cards, "it's because a republican won" "you're just part of the sore loser crowd".....it's a great factual retreat. Live in denial if you want, but don't consider it right because you refuse to read the facts. Like I said...if it's been done before, it could easily happen again.....and it could happen to either party.

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By law the whole state or nothing. A state recount showed Bush won. No iregularities were found under any investigation

here's the irregularities you say don't exist.....

· Key officials anticipated before Election Day, that there would be an increase in levels of voter turnout based upon new voter registration figures, but did not ensure that the precincts in all communities received adequate resources to meet their needs;

· At least one unauthorized law enforcement checkpoint was set up on Election Day resulting in complaints that were investigated by the Florida Highway Patrol and the Florida Attorney General;

· Non-felons were removed from voter registration rolls based upon unreliable information collected in connection with sweeping, state sponsored felony purge policies;

· Many African Americans did not cast ballots because they were assigned to polling sites that did not have adequate resources to confirm voting eligibility status;

· College students and others submitted voter registration applications on a timely basis to persons and agencies responsible for transmitting the applications to the proper officials, but in many instances these applications were not processed in a timely or proper manner under the National Voter Registration Act (“motor-voter law”);

· Many Jewish and elderly voters received defective and complicated ballots that may have produced “overvotes” and “undervotes;”

· Some polling places were closed early and some polling places were moved without notice;

· Old and defective election equipment was found in poor precincts;

· Many Haitian Americans and Puerto Rican voters were not provided language assistance when required and requested;

· Persons with disabilities faced accessibility difficulties at certain polling sites;

· Too few poll workers were adequately trained and too few funds were committed to voter education activities


http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/florida.htm

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Proof???? dam you are kidding right

Gore lost!!

GET OVER IT

I would call that proof that there were some irregularities. You must be a big fan of people being denied their right to vote because of all the smiley faces. Personally, I don't think it's funny.

All you post here has been beaten to death for years. You want to go with the sore loser crowd. Frankly I think that is sad.

Have you ever thought is funny that when D win there are no problems. When R's win the population got screwed.


GORE GOT BEAT BY GWB FAIR AND SQUARE. A rogue state SC got bitch slapped for trying to change the rules. It is that simple

...and you're in violation of your face!