JackC 0 #951 September 12, 2007 Quote You better hope if there is a God He is into playing the semantics game. The same could be said of you. Why aren't you a muslim, hindu, jew, sikh, norse-god-ist, blah blah blah...? It seems to me that if you're not a theist then you're an atheist no matter what additional labels you might add (ie agnostic, strong/weak atheist etc). For me it depends very much on what you define god to be. The omnimax god is about as logical as a square circle so disbelief is justified by definition. A deist god is a complete unknown quantity again by definition and it doesn't seem to make sense to believe in something you can't know anything about. Semantics are important otherwise you won't know what you believe in. After all, you're a christian not a non-denominational theist/spiritualist/new-age-ist/vaguely-defined something or other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #952 September 12, 2007 Quote]Isn't it funny that someone who doesn't believe in a God or sin will still drive around with a radar detector in their car. Why? Does god save you from speeding tickets? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Royd 0 #953 September 12, 2007 ]Isn't it funny that someone who doesn't believe in a God or sin will still drive around with a radar detector in their car. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteWhy? Does god save you from speeding tickets? The point is that people still fear the law and the end result of breaking it. They are still submitting to a higher power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #954 September 12, 2007 QuoteThe point is that people still fear the law and the end result of breaking it. They are still submitting to a higher power. And santa claus knows if you've been naughty or nice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #955 September 12, 2007 Quote Quote You better hope if there is a God He is into playing the semantics game. The same could be said of you. Why aren't you a muslim, hindu, jew, sikh, norse-god-ist, blah blah blah...? Yep! That is what I'm betting on. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #956 September 12, 2007 Quote]Isn't it funny that someone who doesn't believe in a God or sin will still drive around with a radar detector in their car. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteWhy? Does god save you from speeding tickets? The point is that people still fear the law and the end result of breaking it. They are still submitting to a higher power. erm ok then, how about i prove cops are real and speeding fines exist, and you.... say... prove your god is real and eternal damnation exists....----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #957 September 12, 2007 Quote Quote Quote You better hope if there is a God He is into playing the semantics game. The same could be said of you. Why aren't you a muslim, hindu, jew, sikh, norse-god-ist, blah blah blah...? Yep! That is what I'm betting on. See, you've bet your eternal soul and your entire life on it. Me, I'm not sure about even having a soul but at least I get my life as my own. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,608 #958 September 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteAgain all this is your belief, not mine. You have no evidence what so ever to suggest anything you believe about sin is correct, therefore I reject it.. Simple.. Isn't it funny that someone who doesn't believe in a God or sin will still drive around with a radar detector in their car. Uh, no, it's perfectly normal. Unless you're trying to say that policemen are the physical manifestation of god.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,608 #959 September 12, 2007 Quote]Isn't it funny that someone who doesn't believe in a God or sin will still drive around with a radar detector in their car. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- QuoteWhy? Does god save you from speeding tickets? The point is that people still fear the law and the end result of breaking it. They are still submitting to a higher power. Yes, real laws. Laws made by real people, enforced by other real people, carrying real nightsticks, real handcuffs and with real cars ready to drive you to a real jail cell. Do ya get where I'm going with this? Do ya? I mean my word, did you honestly think you were making some kind of point here?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #960 September 12, 2007 Quote The same could be said of you. Why aren't you a muslim, hindu, jew, sikh, norse-god-ist, blah blah blah...? Quote Yep! That is what I'm betting on. See, you've bet your eternal soul and your entire life on it. Me, I'm not sure about even having a soul but at least I get my life as my own. I'm trying to figure out what you think I'd be missing if I took your worldview? I have peace, purpose and passion for life. The restrictions my faith in JC calls me to are not anything I feel desparately devoid without (such as promiscuity, self centered attitude, etc. In other words, the hedonistic lifestyle is not one I would want) I find comfort in the passing of a loved one, and even purpose in the pain and trials of life. What part of my life do you think I have given up so that it is not my own? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #961 September 12, 2007 Quote What part of my life do you think I have given up so that it is not my own? Your Sunday mornings? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #962 September 12, 2007 Quote Quote What part of my life do you think I have given up so that it is not my own? Your Sunday mornings? I love Sunday mornings! I sleep later than normal 8AM (can't sleep much later because of my back) Then I ride my Harley 20 miles to a park pavillion to conduct a service. I fellowship with people I love and we are not hindered by any man made rules or formality. A few weeks ago we cleaned up the park instead of me speaking. Many times we hold our service at the DZ, the lake, my home, or anywhere we can. These people comfort me when I'm down and I have the privilege of pastoring (leading & feeding) them through life. In essence we do life together. The best part of my week. Of course it is nice that at 11 AM I ride my Harley to the DZ to jump each Sunday. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #963 September 12, 2007 QuoteI'm trying to figure out what you think I'd be missing if I took your worldview? Maybe nothing, who knows. QuoteI have peace, purpose and passion for life. The restrictions my faith in JC calls me to are not anything I feel desparately devoid without (such as promiscuity, self centered attitude, etc. In other words, the hedonistic lifestyle is not one I would want) Now there's a common misconception. There is nothing in the atheists rule book that says "atheists shall be hedonistic, promiscuous and self-centred". In fact there isn't even an atheists rule book. Atheists can have just as much peace, purpose and passion in their life as you guys. Atheists don't get it written down for them though. QuoteI find comfort in the passing of a loved one, and even purpose in the pain and trials of life. Given your beliefs, I can see why. But given the promise of eternal bliss with your creator, how come all christians are not queueing up to fill a space in the morgue? I mean comfort in someones passing is nice and all but i'd have thought that would be a bit of an understatement. Shouldn't you be partying your ass off when someone dies in celebration that they get to spend the rest of eternity with god? I mean, what a result! Eternity with god! QuoteWhat part of my life do you think I have given up so that it is not my own? I dunno. As I see it theists have the idea that god absolutely positively exists and that everything has to be looked at with that "truth" in mind. That sometimes pans out that people don't make the most of, or they do stupid stuff in this life because they're too busy planning for the next one. At the very least, they go through life wearing a pair of rose tinted god goggles, who knows what they'll miss because of that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #964 September 12, 2007 QuoteThe point is that people still fear the law and the end result of breaking it. They are still submitting to a higher power. Somehow you are equating God to the State Patrol? Are you insinuating it is not logical to believe in the State Patrol and not believe in God? Maybe I missed something. Could you restate the point?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #965 September 12, 2007 QuoteUnless you're trying to say that policemen are the physical manifestation of god. Oh see, there I go, missing the point again. Congrats to you for figuring that out. I would never have guessed via even the most twisted form of scavulu logic that we could establish the State Patrol as the corporeal manifestation of God. My only question would now be, which state? I want to be on my best behavior. No way do I want to mess around with someone that has X, K, and Y bands, AND laser, AND is all powerful and all knowing; even if they are kind and benevolent and on a mission to protect and serve." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #966 September 12, 2007 QuoteQuoteI have peace, purpose and passion for life. The restrictions my faith in JC calls me to are not anything I feel desparately devoid without (such as promiscuity, self centered attitude, etc. In other words, the hedonistic lifestyle is not one I would want) Now there's a common misconception. There is nothing in the atheists rule book that says "atheists shall be hedonistic, promiscuous and self-centred". In fact there isn't even an atheists rule book. Atheists can have just as much peace, purpose and passion in their life as you guys. Atheists don't get it written down for them though. I didn't mean to imply atheists are hedonist, I was pointing out that was the "restrictions" of MY faith. Sorry for the confusion. QuoteQuoteI find comfort in the passing of a loved one, and even purpose in the pain and trials of life. Given your beliefs, I can see why. But given the promise of eternal bliss with your creator, how come all christians are not queueing up to fill a space in the morgue? I mean comfort in someones passing is nice and all but i'd have thought that would be a bit of an understatement. Shouldn't you be partying your ass off when someone dies in celebration that they get to spend the rest of eternity with god? I mean, what a result! Eternity with god! QuoteWhile I did rejoice (party? don't think so) when my parents passed away. I still miss them on "this" side. Thus some sadness, but not one without hope. QuoteI dunno. As I see it theists have the idea that god absolutely positively exists and that everything has to be looked at with that "truth" in mind. That sometimes pans out that people don't make the most of, or they do stupid stuff in this life because they're too busy planning for the next one. At the very least, they go through life wearing a pair of rose tinted god goggles, who knows what they'll miss because of that. Yep, some miss out -- JC said the "kingdom of God is upon you" Too bad so many don't see the here and now of that statement and miss out on life. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #967 September 13, 2007 You are definitely thinking. I am not sure how to respond other than all that stuff you mentioned is irrelevant, unless you have a concept of personal sin and can see a need for a Savior. Otherwise it is impossible to understand anything about Christian teaching. Don't get me wrong, I hope you have a wonderful life. But I have lived long enough to see what happens when people try to live life in the moral framework you have described for yourself. GOOD LUCK! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #968 September 13, 2007 Which God would that be? Indra? Varuna? Akash Bhairab? Odin? Horus? Zeus?[/reply ________________________________________ The "I AM THAT I AM", The God who created the universe and everything in it, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #969 September 13, 2007 Sorry Jack, were are talking about two different things and using the same words that have different meanings. I am at a loss. The only thing I can say is we were created to be receptive to God. You will never achieve your true potential otherwise. I wish you the best. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #970 September 13, 2007 we were created to be receptive to God All I think we really know about that is that we were created because a sperm and and an egg joined together and implanted in some woman's uterus who was healthy enough (and willing) to carry the developing young-un to term. Beyond that, it's just blind faith. Some have it. Others don't. Not sure if the operative term is "blind" or "faith."-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #971 September 13, 2007 Quote Which God would that be? Indra? Varuna? Akash Bhairab? Odin? Horus? Zeus?[/reply ________________________________________ The "I AM THAT I AM", The God who created the universe and everything in it, of course. They all make that claim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #972 September 13, 2007 QuoteSorry Jack, were are talking about two different things and using the same words that have different meanings. Yes, it seems we are. The definitions are quite simple though To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again. QuoteThe only thing I can say is we were created to be receptive to God. You will never achieve your true potential otherwise. No we weren't. You learned all this god stuff, you weren't born with it. Your potential is your own and you're limiting yourself by adhering to this bronze age mythology. QuoteI wish you the best. Likewise. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funkcanna 0 #973 September 13, 2007 Quote To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again. Golden! With your permission I will add this to my sig!? :DTo know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #974 September 13, 2007 I'm afraid I "borrowed" that from somewhere but I don't remember where. Use it at your own risk! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #975 September 15, 2007 I've been studying....It's safe to say that I believed more in evolution before I actually understood it 's claims....whatever...Have fun....Fact? proof? ...watever LMAO ROFL....I LUV YA...but serious...if you believe this crap.....GO TO HELL!!!! I rather believe in the most riducluous BIBLE. COREY RYBICKI NO...It's not worth talking to me......Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
