philh 0 #426 August 20, 2007 "What fact of science stands against "my" belief in JC right now? " The fact the Adam and Eve did not exist therefore the idea of original sin is nonsense therefore jesus (if he existed and theres no evidence for that) sacrficie was for nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #427 August 20, 2007 So you don't sin? I do. Theology of original sin aside I sin, I need a savior. I never thought of why I sinned when I realized I needed something orsomeone to make me right before God. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Derekbox 0 #428 August 20, 2007 It is very origional, just not origional to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,593 #429 August 21, 2007 QuoteTheology of original sin aside I sin, I need a savior. Why? No one needed one before JC.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #430 August 21, 2007 Sure they did. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #431 August 21, 2007 What does it do for you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #432 August 21, 2007 Christ atoned for my sins. He paid a price for a debt I could not pay, and taught me a better way to live my life. he gave me purpose, and hope. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Derekbox 0 #433 August 21, 2007 ...besides already enough made up religions. So Im just going to stick to a made up religion I enjoy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #434 August 21, 2007 Hope for what? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #435 August 21, 2007 Quote ...besides already enough made up religions. So Im just going to stick to a made up religion I enjoy. Whatever floats your boat. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #436 August 21, 2007 QuoteHope for what? Hope in many things. He gives me a hope there is a purpose for life, justice for the downtrodden, hope to see my late parents again, hope that my pain wasn't in vain. I could go on and on. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #437 August 21, 2007 So you are unhappy with life? I still think it is all one big fairytale. LIfe is what you make of it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Derekbox 0 #438 August 21, 2007 There is a purpose in life, eat, fuck skydive and enjoy it all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #439 August 21, 2007 QuoteSo you are unhappy with life? I still think it is all one big fairytale. LIfe is what you make of it. No, I love life! Even in my trials I have seen how God can take what I deemed as bad and helped me use it for good. Example: My finances as a pastor were dwindling and I needed to secure more income to support my family. I became a behavior therapist for a 6th & 7th grade center. There I learned a lot about autism and kids with asperger's syndrome. I realized my 20 year old son had AS, and I had him tested and sure enough he does. So much that he now receives disability insurance. Without that "problem" I would most likely never discovered his disability. It also gave me a bigger purpose .. to be an advocate for kids I went back and got another Masters degree and now I work with kids dealing with depression, anxiety, addictions, disabilities, and so on. To me, God delivered the hope I now have. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #440 August 21, 2007 QuoteThere is a purpose in life, eat, fuck skydive and enjoy it all. yeah, you're in your twenties, right? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #441 August 21, 2007 God didn't deliver you anything. You did what you had to do. If there really was a god out there looking after you, then why would he look after you and not all the people in the world starving to death? Why are you more special then they are? I will tell you why. There is no god. You benefited from your own hard work and took advantage of the opportunities available. Anything else is superstition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Derekbox 0 #442 August 21, 2007 26 for a couple more months. Whats that have to do with anything? I know plenty of old perverts who enjoy the hedonistic life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #443 August 21, 2007 Quote God didn't deliver you anything. You did what you had to do. If there really was a god out there looking after you, then why would he look after you and not all the people in the world starving to death? Why are you more special then they are? I will tell you why. There is no god. You benefited from your own hard work and took advantage of the opportunities available. Anything else is superstition. And therein lies your belief system. If it is superstition (and obviously I don't think it is) it works for me. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #444 August 21, 2007 Quote 26 for a couple more months. Whats that have to do with anything? I know plenty of old perverts who enjoy the hedonistic life. So do I, they are a sad lot. But hey, I'm sure you'll be different. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Derekbox 0 #445 August 21, 2007 No, no. Probably not. But I do hope to actually be sharing my time with one special lady if that makes it better in your eyes. Outside of that, ambitions to EFS likely wont wane. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #446 August 21, 2007 Quote No, no. Probably not. But I do hope to actually be sharing my time with one special lady if that makes it better in your eyes. Outside of that, ambitions to EFS likely wont wane. Why would you care what you look like in "my" eyes. BTW, I don't really think about you that much. Jus yanking your chain, man. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Derekbox 0 #447 August 21, 2007 QuoteSo do I, they are a sad lot. But hey, I'm sure you'll be different. You just make is seem like its a bad thing... But who are we to judge anyways? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #448 August 21, 2007 Quote Quote So do I, they are a sad lot. But hey, I'm sure you'll be different. You just make is seem like its a bad thing... But who are we to judge anyways? I bet you'd love to have your [future] daughter date a guy just like you, right? steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Derekbox 0 #449 August 21, 2007 Want the honest truth? Will you believe me? I am a loving loyal boyfriend. I take care of the people I love. I respect them. I dont cheat. I am honest and forward. I also have been known to cook, clean and Im house broken. If she dated a guy like me and he made her happy, then I would be happy for her/them. I just would make sure she is on birth control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maadmax 0 #450 August 21, 2007 One thing is for certain, God will not be found in this bantering. If you are ever to find Him you have to start by looking with in yourself, if that is still possible. If you are human and honest there is a gaping spiritual need rattling around inside your head. Sure it is easy enough to deny but it is still there, and will make itself known form time to time . A personal relationship with God is the only solution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites