steveorino 7 #276 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuote6.Whys is there not a shining cross in the night sky to remind us all? When did God say he would do that? Or is that what YOU would need? If sso, you have taken "faith" out of the equation. That's what I would need. Not necessarily the shining cross, but to take faith out of the equation, ie I'd need some evidence. I don't think that's unreasonable. You come to God through faith ... according to scripture. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #277 August 16, 2007 Quote But in the bible many key players are shown directly gods power, whether its the angel of death simiting the Egyptaisn or jesus performing miracles . As you yourself said his miracles were to give his teaching authority. The problem is only a few people saw his miracles, so why shoudl the rest of us who have not seen them give him any authority? I guess that has become your stumbling block to faith in Christ. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #278 August 16, 2007 QuoteYou come to God through faith ... according to scripture. I don't think faith is a particularly commendable attribute so unless god or his earthly representatives comes up with some evidence, I'm hell bound. Isn't that nice. You'd think an omnipotent, omnibenevolent god would at least fart in my general direction so save me from hell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #279 August 16, 2007 QuoteYou think I should base my faith on a mid evil legend? Quote Mid evil, does that mean dating from half way through the evil age or does it mean the legend is only half way evil?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #280 August 16, 2007 Quote I don't believe in coincidences. I'm not trying to make a believer out of you. If you choose not to believe in God, that's your decision. I find this very interesting. You believe we live in a world with out coincidences? hmm So you don't believe anything happens by chance at all? So if you go to a casino and play roulette and bet the house on 7and win then it's God looking after you? What if you lose? Is that God punishing you for gambling? You really might want to rethink the no such thing as coincidence stance. A world with out coincidence means that everything is being controlled by an outside force. That means we have no free will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #281 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou think I should base my faith on a mid evil legend? Quote Mid evil, does that mean dating from half way through the evil age or does it mean the legend is only half way evil? I think he meant medieval. Sorry you didn't get that. Or were you intentionally trying to misunderstand him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #282 August 16, 2007 You're not quite evil enough. You're semi-evil. You're quasi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evil, just one calorie, not evil enough. ~ Dr Evil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funkcanna 0 #283 August 16, 2007 QuoteYou got to be kidding me! You think I should base my faith on a mid evil legend? No, your basing it on a story book insteadTo know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #284 August 16, 2007 QuoteI think he meant medieval. Sorry you didn't get that. Or were you intentionally trying to misunderstand him? a bit over-serious today? "mid evil" - that is just asking to be mocked remember the quasi-semi-nearly-anti-christ? and, mid evil.... is that like a medium soft drink? which was the "large", but then the large is now the medium since they added the "jumbo" - the new "large" - now the medium is the 'small'. Thus, "mid evil" is really the new "small evil" kinda like Alicia Silverstone, only without the strange mouth. (I'd leave the overzealous seriousness to the bitter and abusive anti-religious crowd. Their form of religion seems suited to it with the "new and improved" witch hunts they are fond of.) Agnostics everywhere laugh at these threads. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #285 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou think I should base my faith on a mid evil legend? Quote Mid evil, does that mean dating from half way through the evil age or does it mean the legend is only half way evil? I think he meant medieval. Sorry you didn't get that. Or were you intentionally trying to misunderstand him? It is okay -- I deserved the poke. I was trying to type before I went to work. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #286 August 16, 2007 QuoteYou got to be kidding me! You think I should base my faith on a midevial legend? QuoteNo, your basing it on a story book instead I understand why you think the Bible is a "story book" but I also hope you understand why those who are of the Christian faith see a big difference between what we call scripture and what we call legend. I put no faith in legend or teachings of the church, however, I do put a lot of weight in the "red word" portions of the NT. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #287 August 16, 2007 Quote...I also hope you understand why those who are of the Christian faith see a big difference between what we call scripture and what we call legend. I think the clue is in the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funkcanna 0 #288 August 16, 2007 Quote I put no faith in legend or teachings of the church, however, I do put a lot of weight in the "red word" portions of the NT. Can I ask - do you put weight in these portions because you believe they actually happened?To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #289 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuote I put no faith in legend or teachings of the church, however, I do put a lot of weight in the "red word" portions of the NT. Can I ask - do you put weight in these portions because you believe they actually happened? "Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. There is debate on the validity of his sayings, (see Jesus Seminar) however, all those in the debate and outside the debate come with their own world view and core beliefs. I have them and so does everyone else. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #290 August 16, 2007 QuoteThere is debate on the validity of his sayings, (see Jesus Society) however, all those in the debate and outside the debate come with their own world view and core beliefs. I have them and so does everyone else. It's apparent your denial of global warming has affected your position to ban all swooping. Swooping is not a crime. Please think of the children. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,564 #291 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou think I should base my faith on a mid evil legend? Quote Mid evil, does that mean dating from half way through the evil age or does it mean the legend is only half way evil? I think he meant medieval. Sorry you didn't get that. Or were you intentionally trying to misunderstand him? I just thought it was a very funny typo. Look, the other Jack is getting into the spirit of things, you should be more like him.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #292 August 16, 2007 I wouldn't advise that. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #293 August 16, 2007 Quote I just thought it was a very funny typo. Look, the other Jack is getting into the spirit of things, you should be more like him. Oh. So you're taking a more lighthearted approach to these religious threads. What a refreshing change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites philh 0 #294 August 16, 2007 "Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. ------------ So you admit you have no evidence he said them you just believe it on fath.and what is the difference between that and say a Muslim believing the angel gabriel gave Muhamed gods last cmmuincaiton to humanity or a Mormon believing through faith that Jospeh Smith got golden plates of wisdowm from heaven? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #295 August 16, 2007 You can not sway faith-based beliefs via logic. It's banging your head against the wall. Stop it or you will hurt your brain." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #296 August 16, 2007 Quote"Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. ------------ So you admit you have no evidence he said them you just believe it on fath.and what is the difference between that and say a Muslim believing the angel gabriel gave Muhamed gods last cmmuincaiton to humanity or a Mormon believing through faith that Jospeh Smith got golden plates of wisdowm from heaven? The realibility of the New Testament is quite good. Look at the number of copies and how closely they are dated to the original in comparison to any other writings of that era. That fact along with they were the writings of a race of people (Jews) who had no voice in the powers of their world (Rome) and it is even more remarkable. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #297 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteIt's the nasty little trade-off of being given the gift of large frontal lobes. We get self-awareness, and in return we pay the price of creating all kinds of stuff that isn't there. why do we need all that shit? self-awareness & love & hate & any and all forms of spiritual experiences??? Why aren't we like the Borg? It would be much simpler if we were all just soul-less organic automatons, whose only interest was survival & propagation. all this crap like love, wonder, feelings, music, poetry, art, laughter, joy, sorrow, hate, and the whole general INTERNAL FEELING of BEING HUMAN are just taking up valuable space. They're obviously just annoying by-products of some useless part of our brains, which should rightfully be entirely devoted solely to survival and reproduction. why are they there in the first place? The large frontal lobes (LBL's) evolved as the result of, and in a tricky twist, as part of, the 3-way feedback system of the genes, the brain, and the environment. They gave us the power to dominate and manipulate our world like no other creature before or since. The baggage that comes with those LFL's is the desire to see patterns and attach meaning to everything; including patterns in burnt toast. It is good to see the lion in the reeds, it is silly to see Mary Mother of Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich. Unfortunately, for way too many humans, they are equally meaningful." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #298 August 16, 2007 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Huh? Wasn't he excommunicated? He's roasting in hell as we speak for his heresy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Um no, Catholics do NOT think so. I've stated this so many times here that I am so convinced that people are determined to make up their own minds no matter how often a person says it is untrue. I will try again. In the Catholic faith it is a grave sin to judge someone else and proclaim where they have gone after death. An act may be gravely sinful in nature, but we have no idea the culpability of the person who has committed such act. Judgment is left to God alone. We are supposed to examine our own consciences...no one elses. Redemption for your sins is only available through Christ, and this requires the intercession of the church; this was the whole point of Christ establishing he church, according to Catholic dogma. If I am not mistaken this was one of the good friar's theses. The pope at the time of ML excommunicated him; he was denied the intercession of the heirs of Peter and thus, the sacrament of last rites. Sorry, Eternal Agony for Marty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #299 August 16, 2007 [replySomeone on this thread mentioned that some from religions that are the most similar are the most violent towards each other. In the US? I personally haven't seen that. Over seas, sure. They're in a war for the love of Pete. But here, we're not blowing up each other's churches and places of worship daily. We can walk in front of a Church of Latter Day Saints and not be afraid of being attacked for being Catholic...or atheist, or whatever. Personally, I'm not prone to shooting anyone else for being Baptist or Jewish, either...and it is by far the exception here in the US to find someone that is. Agreed. The big 3 Abrahamic faiths seem hell bent for leather on winning there little King of the Hill struggle over there near the Mount. At it for hundreds of years with no sign of letting up." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #300 August 16, 2007 Quote What more can a girl ask for How about a slightly improved sense of self-preservation? Or are you counting on God for that for your next jump too?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Next Page 12 of 49 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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beowulf 1 #280 August 16, 2007 Quote I don't believe in coincidences. I'm not trying to make a believer out of you. If you choose not to believe in God, that's your decision. I find this very interesting. You believe we live in a world with out coincidences? hmm So you don't believe anything happens by chance at all? So if you go to a casino and play roulette and bet the house on 7and win then it's God looking after you? What if you lose? Is that God punishing you for gambling? You really might want to rethink the no such thing as coincidence stance. A world with out coincidence means that everything is being controlled by an outside force. That means we have no free will. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #281 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteYou think I should base my faith on a mid evil legend? Quote Mid evil, does that mean dating from half way through the evil age or does it mean the legend is only half way evil? I think he meant medieval. Sorry you didn't get that. Or were you intentionally trying to misunderstand him? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #282 August 16, 2007 You're not quite evil enough. You're semi-evil. You're quasi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evil, just one calorie, not evil enough. ~ Dr Evil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funkcanna 0 #283 August 16, 2007 QuoteYou got to be kidding me! You think I should base my faith on a mid evil legend? No, your basing it on a story book insteadTo know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #284 August 16, 2007 QuoteI think he meant medieval. Sorry you didn't get that. Or were you intentionally trying to misunderstand him? a bit over-serious today? "mid evil" - that is just asking to be mocked remember the quasi-semi-nearly-anti-christ? and, mid evil.... is that like a medium soft drink? which was the "large", but then the large is now the medium since they added the "jumbo" - the new "large" - now the medium is the 'small'. Thus, "mid evil" is really the new "small evil" kinda like Alicia Silverstone, only without the strange mouth. (I'd leave the overzealous seriousness to the bitter and abusive anti-religious crowd. Their form of religion seems suited to it with the "new and improved" witch hunts they are fond of.) Agnostics everywhere laugh at these threads. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #285 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou think I should base my faith on a mid evil legend? Quote Mid evil, does that mean dating from half way through the evil age or does it mean the legend is only half way evil? I think he meant medieval. Sorry you didn't get that. Or were you intentionally trying to misunderstand him? It is okay -- I deserved the poke. I was trying to type before I went to work. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #286 August 16, 2007 QuoteYou got to be kidding me! You think I should base my faith on a midevial legend? QuoteNo, your basing it on a story book instead I understand why you think the Bible is a "story book" but I also hope you understand why those who are of the Christian faith see a big difference between what we call scripture and what we call legend. I put no faith in legend or teachings of the church, however, I do put a lot of weight in the "red word" portions of the NT. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #287 August 16, 2007 Quote...I also hope you understand why those who are of the Christian faith see a big difference between what we call scripture and what we call legend. I think the clue is in the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funkcanna 0 #288 August 16, 2007 Quote I put no faith in legend or teachings of the church, however, I do put a lot of weight in the "red word" portions of the NT. Can I ask - do you put weight in these portions because you believe they actually happened?To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #289 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuote I put no faith in legend or teachings of the church, however, I do put a lot of weight in the "red word" portions of the NT. Can I ask - do you put weight in these portions because you believe they actually happened? "Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. There is debate on the validity of his sayings, (see Jesus Seminar) however, all those in the debate and outside the debate come with their own world view and core beliefs. I have them and so does everyone else. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #290 August 16, 2007 QuoteThere is debate on the validity of his sayings, (see Jesus Society) however, all those in the debate and outside the debate come with their own world view and core beliefs. I have them and so does everyone else. It's apparent your denial of global warming has affected your position to ban all swooping. Swooping is not a crime. Please think of the children. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,564 #291 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou think I should base my faith on a mid evil legend? Quote Mid evil, does that mean dating from half way through the evil age or does it mean the legend is only half way evil? I think he meant medieval. Sorry you didn't get that. Or were you intentionally trying to misunderstand him? I just thought it was a very funny typo. Look, the other Jack is getting into the spirit of things, you should be more like him.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #292 August 16, 2007 I wouldn't advise that. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #293 August 16, 2007 Quote I just thought it was a very funny typo. Look, the other Jack is getting into the spirit of things, you should be more like him. Oh. So you're taking a more lighthearted approach to these religious threads. What a refreshing change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites philh 0 #294 August 16, 2007 "Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. ------------ So you admit you have no evidence he said them you just believe it on fath.and what is the difference between that and say a Muslim believing the angel gabriel gave Muhamed gods last cmmuincaiton to humanity or a Mormon believing through faith that Jospeh Smith got golden plates of wisdowm from heaven? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #295 August 16, 2007 You can not sway faith-based beliefs via logic. It's banging your head against the wall. Stop it or you will hurt your brain." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #296 August 16, 2007 Quote"Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. ------------ So you admit you have no evidence he said them you just believe it on fath.and what is the difference between that and say a Muslim believing the angel gabriel gave Muhamed gods last cmmuincaiton to humanity or a Mormon believing through faith that Jospeh Smith got golden plates of wisdowm from heaven? The realibility of the New Testament is quite good. Look at the number of copies and how closely they are dated to the original in comparison to any other writings of that era. That fact along with they were the writings of a race of people (Jews) who had no voice in the powers of their world (Rome) and it is even more remarkable. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #297 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteIt's the nasty little trade-off of being given the gift of large frontal lobes. We get self-awareness, and in return we pay the price of creating all kinds of stuff that isn't there. why do we need all that shit? self-awareness & love & hate & any and all forms of spiritual experiences??? Why aren't we like the Borg? It would be much simpler if we were all just soul-less organic automatons, whose only interest was survival & propagation. all this crap like love, wonder, feelings, music, poetry, art, laughter, joy, sorrow, hate, and the whole general INTERNAL FEELING of BEING HUMAN are just taking up valuable space. They're obviously just annoying by-products of some useless part of our brains, which should rightfully be entirely devoted solely to survival and reproduction. why are they there in the first place? The large frontal lobes (LBL's) evolved as the result of, and in a tricky twist, as part of, the 3-way feedback system of the genes, the brain, and the environment. They gave us the power to dominate and manipulate our world like no other creature before or since. The baggage that comes with those LFL's is the desire to see patterns and attach meaning to everything; including patterns in burnt toast. It is good to see the lion in the reeds, it is silly to see Mary Mother of Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich. Unfortunately, for way too many humans, they are equally meaningful." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #298 August 16, 2007 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Huh? Wasn't he excommunicated? He's roasting in hell as we speak for his heresy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Um no, Catholics do NOT think so. I've stated this so many times here that I am so convinced that people are determined to make up their own minds no matter how often a person says it is untrue. I will try again. In the Catholic faith it is a grave sin to judge someone else and proclaim where they have gone after death. An act may be gravely sinful in nature, but we have no idea the culpability of the person who has committed such act. Judgment is left to God alone. We are supposed to examine our own consciences...no one elses. Redemption for your sins is only available through Christ, and this requires the intercession of the church; this was the whole point of Christ establishing he church, according to Catholic dogma. If I am not mistaken this was one of the good friar's theses. The pope at the time of ML excommunicated him; he was denied the intercession of the heirs of Peter and thus, the sacrament of last rites. Sorry, Eternal Agony for Marty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #299 August 16, 2007 [replySomeone on this thread mentioned that some from religions that are the most similar are the most violent towards each other. In the US? I personally haven't seen that. Over seas, sure. They're in a war for the love of Pete. But here, we're not blowing up each other's churches and places of worship daily. We can walk in front of a Church of Latter Day Saints and not be afraid of being attacked for being Catholic...or atheist, or whatever. Personally, I'm not prone to shooting anyone else for being Baptist or Jewish, either...and it is by far the exception here in the US to find someone that is. Agreed. The big 3 Abrahamic faiths seem hell bent for leather on winning there little King of the Hill struggle over there near the Mount. At it for hundreds of years with no sign of letting up." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #300 August 16, 2007 Quote What more can a girl ask for How about a slightly improved sense of self-preservation? Or are you counting on God for that for your next jump too?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Next Page 12 of 49 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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JackC 0 #282 August 16, 2007 You're not quite evil enough. You're semi-evil. You're quasi-evil. You're the margarine of evil. You're the Diet Coke of evil, just one calorie, not evil enough. ~ Dr Evil Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funkcanna 0 #283 August 16, 2007 QuoteYou got to be kidding me! You think I should base my faith on a mid evil legend? No, your basing it on a story book insteadTo know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #284 August 16, 2007 QuoteI think he meant medieval. Sorry you didn't get that. Or were you intentionally trying to misunderstand him? a bit over-serious today? "mid evil" - that is just asking to be mocked remember the quasi-semi-nearly-anti-christ? and, mid evil.... is that like a medium soft drink? which was the "large", but then the large is now the medium since they added the "jumbo" - the new "large" - now the medium is the 'small'. Thus, "mid evil" is really the new "small evil" kinda like Alicia Silverstone, only without the strange mouth. (I'd leave the overzealous seriousness to the bitter and abusive anti-religious crowd. Their form of religion seems suited to it with the "new and improved" witch hunts they are fond of.) Agnostics everywhere laugh at these threads. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #285 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou think I should base my faith on a mid evil legend? Quote Mid evil, does that mean dating from half way through the evil age or does it mean the legend is only half way evil? I think he meant medieval. Sorry you didn't get that. Or were you intentionally trying to misunderstand him? It is okay -- I deserved the poke. I was trying to type before I went to work. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #286 August 16, 2007 QuoteYou got to be kidding me! You think I should base my faith on a midevial legend? QuoteNo, your basing it on a story book instead I understand why you think the Bible is a "story book" but I also hope you understand why those who are of the Christian faith see a big difference between what we call scripture and what we call legend. I put no faith in legend or teachings of the church, however, I do put a lot of weight in the "red word" portions of the NT. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #287 August 16, 2007 Quote...I also hope you understand why those who are of the Christian faith see a big difference between what we call scripture and what we call legend. I think the clue is in the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funkcanna 0 #288 August 16, 2007 Quote I put no faith in legend or teachings of the church, however, I do put a lot of weight in the "red word" portions of the NT. Can I ask - do you put weight in these portions because you believe they actually happened?To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #289 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuote I put no faith in legend or teachings of the church, however, I do put a lot of weight in the "red word" portions of the NT. Can I ask - do you put weight in these portions because you believe they actually happened? "Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. There is debate on the validity of his sayings, (see Jesus Seminar) however, all those in the debate and outside the debate come with their own world view and core beliefs. I have them and so does everyone else. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rehmwa 2 #290 August 16, 2007 QuoteThere is debate on the validity of his sayings, (see Jesus Society) however, all those in the debate and outside the debate come with their own world view and core beliefs. I have them and so does everyone else. It's apparent your denial of global warming has affected your position to ban all swooping. Swooping is not a crime. Please think of the children. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,564 #291 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou think I should base my faith on a mid evil legend? Quote Mid evil, does that mean dating from half way through the evil age or does it mean the legend is only half way evil? I think he meant medieval. Sorry you didn't get that. Or were you intentionally trying to misunderstand him? I just thought it was a very funny typo. Look, the other Jack is getting into the spirit of things, you should be more like him.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #292 August 16, 2007 I wouldn't advise that. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #293 August 16, 2007 Quote I just thought it was a very funny typo. Look, the other Jack is getting into the spirit of things, you should be more like him. Oh. So you're taking a more lighthearted approach to these religious threads. What a refreshing change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites philh 0 #294 August 16, 2007 "Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. ------------ So you admit you have no evidence he said them you just believe it on fath.and what is the difference between that and say a Muslim believing the angel gabriel gave Muhamed gods last cmmuincaiton to humanity or a Mormon believing through faith that Jospeh Smith got golden plates of wisdowm from heaven? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #295 August 16, 2007 You can not sway faith-based beliefs via logic. It's banging your head against the wall. Stop it or you will hurt your brain." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #296 August 16, 2007 Quote"Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. ------------ So you admit you have no evidence he said them you just believe it on fath.and what is the difference between that and say a Muslim believing the angel gabriel gave Muhamed gods last cmmuincaiton to humanity or a Mormon believing through faith that Jospeh Smith got golden plates of wisdowm from heaven? The realibility of the New Testament is quite good. Look at the number of copies and how closely they are dated to the original in comparison to any other writings of that era. That fact along with they were the writings of a race of people (Jews) who had no voice in the powers of their world (Rome) and it is even more remarkable. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #297 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteIt's the nasty little trade-off of being given the gift of large frontal lobes. We get self-awareness, and in return we pay the price of creating all kinds of stuff that isn't there. why do we need all that shit? self-awareness & love & hate & any and all forms of spiritual experiences??? Why aren't we like the Borg? It would be much simpler if we were all just soul-less organic automatons, whose only interest was survival & propagation. all this crap like love, wonder, feelings, music, poetry, art, laughter, joy, sorrow, hate, and the whole general INTERNAL FEELING of BEING HUMAN are just taking up valuable space. They're obviously just annoying by-products of some useless part of our brains, which should rightfully be entirely devoted solely to survival and reproduction. why are they there in the first place? The large frontal lobes (LBL's) evolved as the result of, and in a tricky twist, as part of, the 3-way feedback system of the genes, the brain, and the environment. They gave us the power to dominate and manipulate our world like no other creature before or since. The baggage that comes with those LFL's is the desire to see patterns and attach meaning to everything; including patterns in burnt toast. It is good to see the lion in the reeds, it is silly to see Mary Mother of Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich. Unfortunately, for way too many humans, they are equally meaningful." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #298 August 16, 2007 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Huh? Wasn't he excommunicated? He's roasting in hell as we speak for his heresy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Um no, Catholics do NOT think so. I've stated this so many times here that I am so convinced that people are determined to make up their own minds no matter how often a person says it is untrue. I will try again. In the Catholic faith it is a grave sin to judge someone else and proclaim where they have gone after death. An act may be gravely sinful in nature, but we have no idea the culpability of the person who has committed such act. Judgment is left to God alone. We are supposed to examine our own consciences...no one elses. Redemption for your sins is only available through Christ, and this requires the intercession of the church; this was the whole point of Christ establishing he church, according to Catholic dogma. If I am not mistaken this was one of the good friar's theses. The pope at the time of ML excommunicated him; he was denied the intercession of the heirs of Peter and thus, the sacrament of last rites. Sorry, Eternal Agony for Marty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #299 August 16, 2007 [replySomeone on this thread mentioned that some from religions that are the most similar are the most violent towards each other. In the US? I personally haven't seen that. Over seas, sure. They're in a war for the love of Pete. But here, we're not blowing up each other's churches and places of worship daily. We can walk in front of a Church of Latter Day Saints and not be afraid of being attacked for being Catholic...or atheist, or whatever. Personally, I'm not prone to shooting anyone else for being Baptist or Jewish, either...and it is by far the exception here in the US to find someone that is. Agreed. The big 3 Abrahamic faiths seem hell bent for leather on winning there little King of the Hill struggle over there near the Mount. At it for hundreds of years with no sign of letting up." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #300 August 16, 2007 Quote What more can a girl ask for How about a slightly improved sense of self-preservation? Or are you counting on God for that for your next jump too?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Next Page 12 of 49 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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steveorino 7 #286 August 16, 2007 QuoteYou got to be kidding me! You think I should base my faith on a midevial legend? QuoteNo, your basing it on a story book instead I understand why you think the Bible is a "story book" but I also hope you understand why those who are of the Christian faith see a big difference between what we call scripture and what we call legend. I put no faith in legend or teachings of the church, however, I do put a lot of weight in the "red word" portions of the NT. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #287 August 16, 2007 Quote...I also hope you understand why those who are of the Christian faith see a big difference between what we call scripture and what we call legend. I think the clue is in the question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funkcanna 0 #288 August 16, 2007 Quote I put no faith in legend or teachings of the church, however, I do put a lot of weight in the "red word" portions of the NT. Can I ask - do you put weight in these portions because you believe they actually happened?To know requires proof To believe requires evidence To have faith requires neither. If you stick with that, we'll never be confused again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #289 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuote I put no faith in legend or teachings of the church, however, I do put a lot of weight in the "red word" portions of the NT. Can I ask - do you put weight in these portions because you believe they actually happened? "Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. There is debate on the validity of his sayings, (see Jesus Seminar) however, all those in the debate and outside the debate come with their own world view and core beliefs. I have them and so does everyone else. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #290 August 16, 2007 QuoteThere is debate on the validity of his sayings, (see Jesus Society) however, all those in the debate and outside the debate come with their own world view and core beliefs. I have them and so does everyone else. It's apparent your denial of global warming has affected your position to ban all swooping. Swooping is not a crime. Please think of the children. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,564 #291 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou think I should base my faith on a mid evil legend? Quote Mid evil, does that mean dating from half way through the evil age or does it mean the legend is only half way evil? I think he meant medieval. Sorry you didn't get that. Or were you intentionally trying to misunderstand him? I just thought it was a very funny typo. Look, the other Jack is getting into the spirit of things, you should be more like him.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #292 August 16, 2007 I wouldn't advise that. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NCclimber 0 #293 August 16, 2007 Quote I just thought it was a very funny typo. Look, the other Jack is getting into the spirit of things, you should be more like him. Oh. So you're taking a more lighthearted approach to these religious threads. What a refreshing change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites philh 0 #294 August 16, 2007 "Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. ------------ So you admit you have no evidence he said them you just believe it on fath.and what is the difference between that and say a Muslim believing the angel gabriel gave Muhamed gods last cmmuincaiton to humanity or a Mormon believing through faith that Jospeh Smith got golden plates of wisdowm from heaven? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #295 August 16, 2007 You can not sway faith-based beliefs via logic. It's banging your head against the wall. Stop it or you will hurt your brain." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #296 August 16, 2007 Quote"Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. ------------ So you admit you have no evidence he said them you just believe it on fath.and what is the difference between that and say a Muslim believing the angel gabriel gave Muhamed gods last cmmuincaiton to humanity or a Mormon believing through faith that Jospeh Smith got golden plates of wisdowm from heaven? The realibility of the New Testament is quite good. Look at the number of copies and how closely they are dated to the original in comparison to any other writings of that era. That fact along with they were the writings of a race of people (Jews) who had no voice in the powers of their world (Rome) and it is even more remarkable. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #297 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteIt's the nasty little trade-off of being given the gift of large frontal lobes. We get self-awareness, and in return we pay the price of creating all kinds of stuff that isn't there. why do we need all that shit? self-awareness & love & hate & any and all forms of spiritual experiences??? Why aren't we like the Borg? It would be much simpler if we were all just soul-less organic automatons, whose only interest was survival & propagation. all this crap like love, wonder, feelings, music, poetry, art, laughter, joy, sorrow, hate, and the whole general INTERNAL FEELING of BEING HUMAN are just taking up valuable space. They're obviously just annoying by-products of some useless part of our brains, which should rightfully be entirely devoted solely to survival and reproduction. why are they there in the first place? The large frontal lobes (LBL's) evolved as the result of, and in a tricky twist, as part of, the 3-way feedback system of the genes, the brain, and the environment. They gave us the power to dominate and manipulate our world like no other creature before or since. The baggage that comes with those LFL's is the desire to see patterns and attach meaning to everything; including patterns in burnt toast. It is good to see the lion in the reeds, it is silly to see Mary Mother of Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich. Unfortunately, for way too many humans, they are equally meaningful." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #298 August 16, 2007 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Huh? Wasn't he excommunicated? He's roasting in hell as we speak for his heresy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Um no, Catholics do NOT think so. I've stated this so many times here that I am so convinced that people are determined to make up their own minds no matter how often a person says it is untrue. I will try again. In the Catholic faith it is a grave sin to judge someone else and proclaim where they have gone after death. An act may be gravely sinful in nature, but we have no idea the culpability of the person who has committed such act. Judgment is left to God alone. We are supposed to examine our own consciences...no one elses. Redemption for your sins is only available through Christ, and this requires the intercession of the church; this was the whole point of Christ establishing he church, according to Catholic dogma. If I am not mistaken this was one of the good friar's theses. The pope at the time of ML excommunicated him; he was denied the intercession of the heirs of Peter and thus, the sacrament of last rites. Sorry, Eternal Agony for Marty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #299 August 16, 2007 [replySomeone on this thread mentioned that some from religions that are the most similar are the most violent towards each other. In the US? I personally haven't seen that. Over seas, sure. They're in a war for the love of Pete. But here, we're not blowing up each other's churches and places of worship daily. We can walk in front of a Church of Latter Day Saints and not be afraid of being attacked for being Catholic...or atheist, or whatever. Personally, I'm not prone to shooting anyone else for being Baptist or Jewish, either...and it is by far the exception here in the US to find someone that is. Agreed. The big 3 Abrahamic faiths seem hell bent for leather on winning there little King of the Hill struggle over there near the Mount. At it for hundreds of years with no sign of letting up." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #300 August 16, 2007 Quote What more can a girl ask for How about a slightly improved sense of self-preservation? Or are you counting on God for that for your next jump too?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 Next Page 12 of 49 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
JackC 0 #292 August 16, 2007 I wouldn't advise that. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NCclimber 0 #293 August 16, 2007 Quote I just thought it was a very funny typo. Look, the other Jack is getting into the spirit of things, you should be more like him. Oh. So you're taking a more lighthearted approach to these religious threads. What a refreshing change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
philh 0 #294 August 16, 2007 "Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. ------------ So you admit you have no evidence he said them you just believe it on fath.and what is the difference between that and say a Muslim believing the angel gabriel gave Muhamed gods last cmmuincaiton to humanity or a Mormon believing through faith that Jospeh Smith got golden plates of wisdowm from heaven? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #295 August 16, 2007 You can not sway faith-based beliefs via logic. It's banging your head against the wall. Stop it or you will hurt your brain." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #296 August 16, 2007 Quote"Red words" are statements of Christ in the NT, not necessarily events. Yes, I believe he said them. Notice I said "believe" It is an act of faith. ------------ So you admit you have no evidence he said them you just believe it on fath.and what is the difference between that and say a Muslim believing the angel gabriel gave Muhamed gods last cmmuincaiton to humanity or a Mormon believing through faith that Jospeh Smith got golden plates of wisdowm from heaven? The realibility of the New Testament is quite good. Look at the number of copies and how closely they are dated to the original in comparison to any other writings of that era. That fact along with they were the writings of a race of people (Jews) who had no voice in the powers of their world (Rome) and it is even more remarkable. steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #297 August 16, 2007 QuoteQuoteIt's the nasty little trade-off of being given the gift of large frontal lobes. We get self-awareness, and in return we pay the price of creating all kinds of stuff that isn't there. why do we need all that shit? self-awareness & love & hate & any and all forms of spiritual experiences??? Why aren't we like the Borg? It would be much simpler if we were all just soul-less organic automatons, whose only interest was survival & propagation. all this crap like love, wonder, feelings, music, poetry, art, laughter, joy, sorrow, hate, and the whole general INTERNAL FEELING of BEING HUMAN are just taking up valuable space. They're obviously just annoying by-products of some useless part of our brains, which should rightfully be entirely devoted solely to survival and reproduction. why are they there in the first place? The large frontal lobes (LBL's) evolved as the result of, and in a tricky twist, as part of, the 3-way feedback system of the genes, the brain, and the environment. They gave us the power to dominate and manipulate our world like no other creature before or since. The baggage that comes with those LFL's is the desire to see patterns and attach meaning to everything; including patterns in burnt toast. It is good to see the lion in the reeds, it is silly to see Mary Mother of Jesus in a grilled cheese sandwich. Unfortunately, for way too many humans, they are equally meaningful." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #298 August 16, 2007 Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Huh? Wasn't he excommunicated? He's roasting in hell as we speak for his heresy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Um no, Catholics do NOT think so. I've stated this so many times here that I am so convinced that people are determined to make up their own minds no matter how often a person says it is untrue. I will try again. In the Catholic faith it is a grave sin to judge someone else and proclaim where they have gone after death. An act may be gravely sinful in nature, but we have no idea the culpability of the person who has committed such act. Judgment is left to God alone. We are supposed to examine our own consciences...no one elses. Redemption for your sins is only available through Christ, and this requires the intercession of the church; this was the whole point of Christ establishing he church, according to Catholic dogma. If I am not mistaken this was one of the good friar's theses. The pope at the time of ML excommunicated him; he was denied the intercession of the heirs of Peter and thus, the sacrament of last rites. Sorry, Eternal Agony for Marty. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #299 August 16, 2007 [replySomeone on this thread mentioned that some from religions that are the most similar are the most violent towards each other. In the US? I personally haven't seen that. Over seas, sure. They're in a war for the love of Pete. But here, we're not blowing up each other's churches and places of worship daily. We can walk in front of a Church of Latter Day Saints and not be afraid of being attacked for being Catholic...or atheist, or whatever. Personally, I'm not prone to shooting anyone else for being Baptist or Jewish, either...and it is by far the exception here in the US to find someone that is. Agreed. The big 3 Abrahamic faiths seem hell bent for leather on winning there little King of the Hill struggle over there near the Mount. At it for hundreds of years with no sign of letting up." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #300 August 16, 2007 Quote What more can a girl ask for How about a slightly improved sense of self-preservation? Or are you counting on God for that for your next jump too?" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
