shropshire 0 #26 August 3, 2007 .... and when the red spot on your hand turns white, you have to direve directly to the nears ER, where your ogans now belong to someone else. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #27 August 3, 2007 Do you really want the possibility of your genetic makeup getting into just anybody's hands.... Identity theft will look like a minor issue once DNA theft becomes rife.... Dont think so? Quote And what would these criminal masterminds do once they got their hands on this precious DNA?? This thread is starting to sound like the plot to a crappy 007 movie. I hear people complaining about how DNA will be used against us by the government, or whatever super villain gets their hands on it, but not a single person can give a reason as to what can be done with it once it's stolen. Does everyone think there will be a huge vault somewhere with millions of tubes with everyone's DNA and if someone gets their hands on one it can be thrown in the microwave to make a clone that will frame you for murder? I'm just curious to know what people think is going to happen, the feds will take a DNA sample use it to get a computer imprint of your DNA and keep it on file. If you become a suspect in a crime and htere is DNA evidence at the scene, your name could be cleared before you ever go to court. If your kids go missing they could more easily be identified as being yours, there would no longer be unidentified bodies becuase a simple DNA check would PID them. My DNA has been on file for the past 8 years and I've never had an issue with it.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #28 August 3, 2007 What he said and to reitterate its an irrational fear of what people know nothing about that scares them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #29 August 3, 2007 So Mr Smith we see from your DNA that you have disposition to a heart desease... of course we'll consider your application for Life insurance cover. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #30 August 3, 2007 So Mr Smith we see from your DNA that you have disposition to a heart desease... of course we'll consider your application for Life insurance cover. Quote DNA collection is intended to be a method of identification, not a means to unravel the medical fate of everyone on the planet. My DNA was collected by the military so if my body is torched beyond recognition and my teeth are turned into chiclets by an explsion my remains can still be identified. Once again, research before making statements like that.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #31 August 3, 2007 Identification is ONE purpose.. Have you ever heard of Genetic Testing? But dont worry - it's science fiction Quote What is gene testing? How does it work? Gene tests (also called DNA-based tests), the newest and most sophisticated of the techniques used to test for genetic disorders, involve direct examination of the DNA molecule itself. Other genetic tests include biochemical tests for such gene products as enzymes and other proteins and for microscopic examination of stained or fluorescent chromosomes. Genetic tests are used for several reasons, including: carrier screening, which involves identifying unaffected individuals who carry one copy of a gene for a disease that requires two copies for the disease to be expressed preimplantation genetic diagnosis (see the side bar, Screening Embryos for Disease) prenatal diagnostic testing newborn screening presymptomatic testing for predicting adult-onset disorders such as Huntington's disease presymptomatic testing for estimating the risk of developing adult-onset cancers and Alzheimer's disease confirmational diagnosis of a symptomatic individual forensic/identity testing Screening Embryos for Disease Preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD) is a test that screens for genetic flaws among embryos used in in vitro fertilization. With PGD, DNA samples from embryos created in-vitro by the combination of a mother's egg and a father's sperm are analyzed for gene abnormalities that can cause disorders. Fertility specialists can use the results of this analysis to select only mutation-free embryos for implantation into the mother's uterus. Before PGD, couples at higher risks for conceiving a child with a particular disorder would have to initiate the pregnancy and then undergo chorionic villus sampling in the first trimester or amniocentesis in the second trimester to test the fetus for the presence of disease. If the fetus tested positive for the disorder, the couple would be faced with the dilemma of whether or not to terminate the pregnancy. With PGD, couples are much more likely to have healthy babies, Although PGD has been practiced for years, only a few specialized centers worldwide offer this procedure. In gene tests, scientists scan a patient's DNA sample for mutated sequences. A DNA sample can be obtained from any tissue, including blood. For some types of gene tests, researchers design short pieces of DNA called probes, whose sequences are complementary to the mutated sequences. These probes will seek their complement among the three billion base pairs of an individual's genome. If the mutated sequence is present in the patient's genome, the probe will bind to it and flag the mutation. Another type of DNA testing involves comparing the sequence of DNA bases in a patient's gene to a normal version of the gene. Cost of testing can range from hundreds to thousands of dollars, depending on the sizes of the genes and the numbers of mutations tested. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #32 August 3, 2007 QuoteWell partly yeah. I do believe that if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. DNA is 100% unique and unlike fingerprints which have a certain number of features used for identification, with DNA only an exact match is used for identification. Therefore it is impossible to forge or be mistaken. This is precisely the inaccurate belief that people are afraid of. DNA testing is so foolproof that we know it proves that John committed this crime! Don't need any other evidence to convict. Nevermind that it's pretty trivial to get someone's hair and plant it. It's only slightly harder to get skin or saliva. Finger printing was never actually proven to be a unique identifier, even after all these years. I'm not ready to presume that DNA testing is absolutely unique either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #33 August 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteHeck, at least this proposal would do this for people that have actually committed some kind of crime. Like changing a flight due to weather? That's a mischaracterization. It was because he wanted to board an airplane without having a ticket. That makes him a "suspect". We have to be careful with those folks... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #34 August 3, 2007 QuotePolice only have power to take DNA off people who have committed recordable offences. This is, yet again, media bullshit. But you guys keep lapping it up! We're not talking about what is law now. We're talking about how the government wants to change the law for the future. Quote: "Police are seeking powers to take DNA samples from suspects on the streets and for non-imprisonable offences such as speeding and dropping litter. The demand for a huge expansion of powers..."You really ought to start reading the background stories before commenting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #35 August 3, 2007 QuoteDNA is 100% unique and unlike fingerprints which have a certain number of features used for identification, with DNA only an exact match is used for identification. Therefore it is impossible to forge or be mistaken. Whoa. "Impossible to be mistaken" is such a huge phrase... DNA is processed and interpreted by humans, who are prone to make mistakes, and subject to bias. Samples can get mixed up, or handled incorrectly. And just because someone's DNA is at a crime scene, doesn't mean that they're the person who committed the crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #36 August 3, 2007 QuoteI'm just curious to know what people think is going to happen, the feds will take a DNA sample use it to get a computer imprint of your DNA and keep it on file. If you become a suspect in a crime and htere is DNA evidence at the scene, your name could be cleared before you ever go to court. Or, your DNA could innocently be at the crime scene, and now you are considered a prime suspect for murder... Ever seen the movie "Gattica"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #37 August 3, 2007 QuoteWhat he said and to reitterate its an irrational fear of what people know nothing about that scares them Payroll record changes are estimated to have a 1% error rate, billing records have a 2-7% error rate, and the error rate for credit records may be as high as 30%. [T.C. Redman, Data Quality: Management and Technology, (New York, Bantam Books, 1992)] If a DNA database does better than any of these examples and has an error rate of less than 1%, that means a potential 600,000 people in the UK will have the wrong data in their file. In many cases, people only find out that their details are wrong when it wreaks havoc on a part of their lives. If the bank gets your credit rating wrong and you are refused a mortgage that's one thing. If the government gets your data wrong and you end up on the sex offenders register that's quite another. And you'll have the devils own job trying to correct the errors in a distributed database, if you can even find them. How many databases are you on that have faulty information in them? It really would be a good idea to sign the petition. http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/DNA-Database/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #38 August 4, 2007 QuoteThis thread is starting to sound like the plot to a crappy 007 movie. And... are comfortable are you with GPS implanting? Do you think that it is only a crappy 007 movie plot, also? If so, think again. It is already being done. Today it is everyones DNA. Tomorrow, it is get in line for a GPS implant. Oh, but then if you are doing nothing wrong, you should be comfortable on a leash. Come on little doggie, come on... sit. Now stand. Okay, now roll over and play dead. AAAAHHHH what an obedient doggie you are. Okay, now sit up and beg. Okay, now back into your kennel! WHAT!!!! you won't go back in.... Bad doggie. YOU WILL DO AS WE SAY!!!! OR, YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE!"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #39 August 4, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteHeck, at least this proposal would do this for people that have actually committed some kind of crime. Like changing a flight due to weather? That's a mischaracterization. It was because he wanted to board an airplane without having a ticket. That makes him a "suspect". We have to be careful with those folks... I had a boarding pass with my name on it, matching my passport; it was a paperless ticket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #40 August 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis thread is starting to sound like the plot to a crappy 007 movie. And... are comfortable are you with GPS implanting? Do you think that it is only a crappy 007 movie plot, also? If so, think again. It is already being done. Today it is everyones DNA. Tomorrow, it is get in line for a GPS implant. Oh, but then if you are doing nothing wrong, you should be comfortable on a leash. Come on little doggie, come on... sit. Now stand. Okay, now roll over and play dead. AAAAHHHH what an obedient doggie you are. Okay, now sit up and beg. Okay, now back into your kennel! WHAT!!!! you won't go back in.... Bad doggie. YOU WILL DO AS WE SAY!!!! OR, YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE!Jessh. They aren't dogs. They're SHEEPLE. Being led to slaughter. They need people to tell them how to think because they can't think for themselves.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #41 August 5, 2007 Officials in the Obama camp did admit that the reports were true, but insisted that the voting public will not base their decisions on a DNA test:"The presence of the M5W bonded pair in Mr. Obama's sample does not mean he will become a paranoid schitzophrenic. It merely means he has a slightly higher suceptibility to the disease than the rest of us." Actually the M5W marker indicates a 6.2% chance of developing the affliction during middle age. Meanwhile the Clinton camp vehemently denied leaking the DNA information,... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #42 August 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis thread is starting to sound like the plot to a crappy 007 movie. And... are comfortable are you with GPS implanting? Do you think that it is only a crappy 007 movie plot, also? If so, think again. It is already being done. Today it is everyones DNA. Tomorrow, it is get in line for a GPS implant. Oh, but then if you are doing nothing wrong, you should be comfortable on a leash. Come on little doggie, come on... sit. Now stand. Okay, now roll over and play dead. AAAAHHHH what an obedient doggie you are. Okay, now sit up and beg. Okay, now back into your kennel! WHAT!!!! you won't go back in.... Bad doggie. YOU WILL DO AS WE SAY!!!! OR, YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE! Pretty close to what they're talking about with 'chipping" kids...it's not GPS, but RFID.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #43 August 6, 2007 QuotePretty close to what they're talking about with 'chipping" kids...it's not GPS, but RFID. http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2007/03/08/gps-chips-implanted-in-humans-w-sniper-rifle/ http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32572 http://www.gpsworld.com/gpsworld/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=360842 As you will read in the last link, the concern is size and power source as well as the recipient being able to remove the gps device. The fact that there are companies that are persuing this technology is proof that we are sliding even closer to a complete Orwelian scociety. If ever comes a day that the government demands that you be implanted (for your own good and safety, no doubt), would you be willing?"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #44 August 6, 2007 Fuck NO, I wouldn't be willing.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #45 August 6, 2007 QuoteFuck NO, I wouldn't be willing. I didn't believe you would be. That gps sniper rifle is actually a hoax and I only included it as what may come, giving the right technology. I would bet it all that somewhere, someone is working on this idea."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #46 August 7, 2007 QuoteSo Mr Smith we see from your DNA medical history that you have disposition to a heart desease... of course we'll consider your application for Life insurance cover. What's the diff? Are you saying that you are the ones hiding your medical problems so you can defraud insurance companies? Do you feel that having medical insurance is your "right"? Do you feel that it's wrong to disallow medical insrance to anyone?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #47 August 7, 2007 QuoteOrwell's ghost is shaking the maracas or perhaps playing the bongo drums. Sheeeet. As long as this kind of stuff has been going on, he can play every instrument in the orchestra by now. Picking off us sheep one little piece at a time. One little piece at a time. I think it's passed the point of no return. We'll all go quietly to the slaughter when it comes.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. 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Scoop 0 #28 August 3, 2007 What he said and to reitterate its an irrational fear of what people know nothing about that scares them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #29 August 3, 2007 So Mr Smith we see from your DNA that you have disposition to a heart desease... of course we'll consider your application for Life insurance cover. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #30 August 3, 2007 So Mr Smith we see from your DNA that you have disposition to a heart desease... of course we'll consider your application for Life insurance cover. Quote DNA collection is intended to be a method of identification, not a means to unravel the medical fate of everyone on the planet. My DNA was collected by the military so if my body is torched beyond recognition and my teeth are turned into chiclets by an explsion my remains can still be identified. Once again, research before making statements like that.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #31 August 3, 2007 Identification is ONE purpose.. Have you ever heard of Genetic Testing? But dont worry - it's science fiction Quote What is gene testing? How does it work? Gene tests (also called DNA-based tests), the newest and most sophisticated of the techniques used to test for genetic disorders, involve direct examination of the DNA molecule itself. Other genetic tests include biochemical tests for such gene products as enzymes and other proteins and for microscopic examination of stained or fluorescent chromosomes. Genetic tests are used for several reasons, including: carrier screening, which involves identifying unaffected individuals who carry one copy of a gene for a disease that requires two copies for the disease to be expressed preimplantation genetic diagnosis (see the side bar, Screening Embryos for Disease) prenatal diagnostic testing newborn screening presymptomatic testing for predicting adult-onset disorders such as Huntington's disease presymptomatic testing for estimating the risk of developing adult-onset cancers and Alzheimer's disease confirmational diagnosis of a symptomatic individual forensic/identity testing Screening Embryos for Disease Preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD) is a test that screens for genetic flaws among embryos used in in vitro fertilization. With PGD, DNA samples from embryos created in-vitro by the combination of a mother's egg and a father's sperm are analyzed for gene abnormalities that can cause disorders. Fertility specialists can use the results of this analysis to select only mutation-free embryos for implantation into the mother's uterus. Before PGD, couples at higher risks for conceiving a child with a particular disorder would have to initiate the pregnancy and then undergo chorionic villus sampling in the first trimester or amniocentesis in the second trimester to test the fetus for the presence of disease. If the fetus tested positive for the disorder, the couple would be faced with the dilemma of whether or not to terminate the pregnancy. With PGD, couples are much more likely to have healthy babies, Although PGD has been practiced for years, only a few specialized centers worldwide offer this procedure. In gene tests, scientists scan a patient's DNA sample for mutated sequences. A DNA sample can be obtained from any tissue, including blood. For some types of gene tests, researchers design short pieces of DNA called probes, whose sequences are complementary to the mutated sequences. These probes will seek their complement among the three billion base pairs of an individual's genome. If the mutated sequence is present in the patient's genome, the probe will bind to it and flag the mutation. Another type of DNA testing involves comparing the sequence of DNA bases in a patient's gene to a normal version of the gene. Cost of testing can range from hundreds to thousands of dollars, depending on the sizes of the genes and the numbers of mutations tested. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #32 August 3, 2007 QuoteWell partly yeah. I do believe that if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. DNA is 100% unique and unlike fingerprints which have a certain number of features used for identification, with DNA only an exact match is used for identification. Therefore it is impossible to forge or be mistaken. This is precisely the inaccurate belief that people are afraid of. DNA testing is so foolproof that we know it proves that John committed this crime! Don't need any other evidence to convict. Nevermind that it's pretty trivial to get someone's hair and plant it. It's only slightly harder to get skin or saliva. Finger printing was never actually proven to be a unique identifier, even after all these years. I'm not ready to presume that DNA testing is absolutely unique either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #33 August 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteHeck, at least this proposal would do this for people that have actually committed some kind of crime. Like changing a flight due to weather? That's a mischaracterization. It was because he wanted to board an airplane without having a ticket. That makes him a "suspect". We have to be careful with those folks... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #34 August 3, 2007 QuotePolice only have power to take DNA off people who have committed recordable offences. This is, yet again, media bullshit. But you guys keep lapping it up! We're not talking about what is law now. We're talking about how the government wants to change the law for the future. Quote: "Police are seeking powers to take DNA samples from suspects on the streets and for non-imprisonable offences such as speeding and dropping litter. The demand for a huge expansion of powers..."You really ought to start reading the background stories before commenting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #35 August 3, 2007 QuoteDNA is 100% unique and unlike fingerprints which have a certain number of features used for identification, with DNA only an exact match is used for identification. Therefore it is impossible to forge or be mistaken. Whoa. "Impossible to be mistaken" is such a huge phrase... DNA is processed and interpreted by humans, who are prone to make mistakes, and subject to bias. Samples can get mixed up, or handled incorrectly. And just because someone's DNA is at a crime scene, doesn't mean that they're the person who committed the crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #36 August 3, 2007 QuoteI'm just curious to know what people think is going to happen, the feds will take a DNA sample use it to get a computer imprint of your DNA and keep it on file. If you become a suspect in a crime and htere is DNA evidence at the scene, your name could be cleared before you ever go to court. Or, your DNA could innocently be at the crime scene, and now you are considered a prime suspect for murder... Ever seen the movie "Gattica"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JackC 0 #37 August 3, 2007 QuoteWhat he said and to reitterate its an irrational fear of what people know nothing about that scares them Payroll record changes are estimated to have a 1% error rate, billing records have a 2-7% error rate, and the error rate for credit records may be as high as 30%. [T.C. Redman, Data Quality: Management and Technology, (New York, Bantam Books, 1992)] If a DNA database does better than any of these examples and has an error rate of less than 1%, that means a potential 600,000 people in the UK will have the wrong data in their file. In many cases, people only find out that their details are wrong when it wreaks havoc on a part of their lives. If the bank gets your credit rating wrong and you are refused a mortgage that's one thing. If the government gets your data wrong and you end up on the sex offenders register that's quite another. And you'll have the devils own job trying to correct the errors in a distributed database, if you can even find them. How many databases are you on that have faulty information in them? It really would be a good idea to sign the petition. http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/DNA-Database/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #38 August 4, 2007 QuoteThis thread is starting to sound like the plot to a crappy 007 movie. And... are comfortable are you with GPS implanting? Do you think that it is only a crappy 007 movie plot, also? If so, think again. It is already being done. Today it is everyones DNA. Tomorrow, it is get in line for a GPS implant. Oh, but then if you are doing nothing wrong, you should be comfortable on a leash. Come on little doggie, come on... sit. Now stand. Okay, now roll over and play dead. AAAAHHHH what an obedient doggie you are. Okay, now sit up and beg. Okay, now back into your kennel! WHAT!!!! you won't go back in.... Bad doggie. YOU WILL DO AS WE SAY!!!! OR, YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE!"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #39 August 4, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteHeck, at least this proposal would do this for people that have actually committed some kind of crime. Like changing a flight due to weather? That's a mischaracterization. It was because he wanted to board an airplane without having a ticket. That makes him a "suspect". We have to be careful with those folks... I had a boarding pass with my name on it, matching my passport; it was a paperless ticket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites akarunway 1 #40 August 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis thread is starting to sound like the plot to a crappy 007 movie. And... are comfortable are you with GPS implanting? Do you think that it is only a crappy 007 movie plot, also? If so, think again. It is already being done. Today it is everyones DNA. Tomorrow, it is get in line for a GPS implant. Oh, but then if you are doing nothing wrong, you should be comfortable on a leash. Come on little doggie, come on... sit. Now stand. Okay, now roll over and play dead. AAAAHHHH what an obedient doggie you are. Okay, now sit up and beg. Okay, now back into your kennel! WHAT!!!! you won't go back in.... Bad doggie. YOU WILL DO AS WE SAY!!!! OR, YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE!Jessh. They aren't dogs. They're SHEEPLE. Being led to slaughter. They need people to tell them how to think because they can't think for themselves.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #41 August 5, 2007 Officials in the Obama camp did admit that the reports were true, but insisted that the voting public will not base their decisions on a DNA test:"The presence of the M5W bonded pair in Mr. Obama's sample does not mean he will become a paranoid schitzophrenic. It merely means he has a slightly higher suceptibility to the disease than the rest of us." Actually the M5W marker indicates a 6.2% chance of developing the affliction during middle age. Meanwhile the Clinton camp vehemently denied leaking the DNA information,... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #42 August 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis thread is starting to sound like the plot to a crappy 007 movie. And... are comfortable are you with GPS implanting? Do you think that it is only a crappy 007 movie plot, also? If so, think again. It is already being done. Today it is everyones DNA. Tomorrow, it is get in line for a GPS implant. Oh, but then if you are doing nothing wrong, you should be comfortable on a leash. Come on little doggie, come on... sit. Now stand. Okay, now roll over and play dead. AAAAHHHH what an obedient doggie you are. Okay, now sit up and beg. Okay, now back into your kennel! WHAT!!!! you won't go back in.... Bad doggie. YOU WILL DO AS WE SAY!!!! OR, YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE! Pretty close to what they're talking about with 'chipping" kids...it's not GPS, but RFID.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #43 August 6, 2007 QuotePretty close to what they're talking about with 'chipping" kids...it's not GPS, but RFID. http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2007/03/08/gps-chips-implanted-in-humans-w-sniper-rifle/ http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32572 http://www.gpsworld.com/gpsworld/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=360842 As you will read in the last link, the concern is size and power source as well as the recipient being able to remove the gps device. The fact that there are companies that are persuing this technology is proof that we are sliding even closer to a complete Orwelian scociety. If ever comes a day that the government demands that you be implanted (for your own good and safety, no doubt), would you be willing?"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #44 August 6, 2007 Fuck NO, I wouldn't be willing.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #45 August 6, 2007 QuoteFuck NO, I wouldn't be willing. I didn't believe you would be. That gps sniper rifle is actually a hoax and I only included it as what may come, giving the right technology. I would bet it all that somewhere, someone is working on this idea."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #46 August 7, 2007 QuoteSo Mr Smith we see from your DNA medical history that you have disposition to a heart desease... of course we'll consider your application for Life insurance cover. What's the diff? Are you saying that you are the ones hiding your medical problems so you can defraud insurance companies? Do you feel that having medical insurance is your "right"? Do you feel that it's wrong to disallow medical insrance to anyone?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #47 August 7, 2007 QuoteOrwell's ghost is shaking the maracas or perhaps playing the bongo drums. Sheeeet. As long as this kind of stuff has been going on, he can play every instrument in the orchestra by now. Picking off us sheep one little piece at a time. One little piece at a time. I think it's passed the point of no return. We'll all go quietly to the slaughter when it comes.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. 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shropshire 0 #31 August 3, 2007 Identification is ONE purpose.. Have you ever heard of Genetic Testing? But dont worry - it's science fiction Quote What is gene testing? How does it work? Gene tests (also called DNA-based tests), the newest and most sophisticated of the techniques used to test for genetic disorders, involve direct examination of the DNA molecule itself. Other genetic tests include biochemical tests for such gene products as enzymes and other proteins and for microscopic examination of stained or fluorescent chromosomes. Genetic tests are used for several reasons, including: carrier screening, which involves identifying unaffected individuals who carry one copy of a gene for a disease that requires two copies for the disease to be expressed preimplantation genetic diagnosis (see the side bar, Screening Embryos for Disease) prenatal diagnostic testing newborn screening presymptomatic testing for predicting adult-onset disorders such as Huntington's disease presymptomatic testing for estimating the risk of developing adult-onset cancers and Alzheimer's disease confirmational diagnosis of a symptomatic individual forensic/identity testing Screening Embryos for Disease Preimplantation genetic diagnosis (PGD) is a test that screens for genetic flaws among embryos used in in vitro fertilization. With PGD, DNA samples from embryos created in-vitro by the combination of a mother's egg and a father's sperm are analyzed for gene abnormalities that can cause disorders. Fertility specialists can use the results of this analysis to select only mutation-free embryos for implantation into the mother's uterus. Before PGD, couples at higher risks for conceiving a child with a particular disorder would have to initiate the pregnancy and then undergo chorionic villus sampling in the first trimester or amniocentesis in the second trimester to test the fetus for the presence of disease. If the fetus tested positive for the disorder, the couple would be faced with the dilemma of whether or not to terminate the pregnancy. With PGD, couples are much more likely to have healthy babies, Although PGD has been practiced for years, only a few specialized centers worldwide offer this procedure. In gene tests, scientists scan a patient's DNA sample for mutated sequences. A DNA sample can be obtained from any tissue, including blood. For some types of gene tests, researchers design short pieces of DNA called probes, whose sequences are complementary to the mutated sequences. These probes will seek their complement among the three billion base pairs of an individual's genome. If the mutated sequence is present in the patient's genome, the probe will bind to it and flag the mutation. Another type of DNA testing involves comparing the sequence of DNA bases in a patient's gene to a normal version of the gene. Cost of testing can range from hundreds to thousands of dollars, depending on the sizes of the genes and the numbers of mutations tested. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #32 August 3, 2007 QuoteWell partly yeah. I do believe that if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. DNA is 100% unique and unlike fingerprints which have a certain number of features used for identification, with DNA only an exact match is used for identification. Therefore it is impossible to forge or be mistaken. This is precisely the inaccurate belief that people are afraid of. DNA testing is so foolproof that we know it proves that John committed this crime! Don't need any other evidence to convict. Nevermind that it's pretty trivial to get someone's hair and plant it. It's only slightly harder to get skin or saliva. Finger printing was never actually proven to be a unique identifier, even after all these years. I'm not ready to presume that DNA testing is absolutely unique either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #33 August 3, 2007 QuoteQuoteHeck, at least this proposal would do this for people that have actually committed some kind of crime. Like changing a flight due to weather? That's a mischaracterization. It was because he wanted to board an airplane without having a ticket. That makes him a "suspect". We have to be careful with those folks... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #34 August 3, 2007 QuotePolice only have power to take DNA off people who have committed recordable offences. This is, yet again, media bullshit. But you guys keep lapping it up! We're not talking about what is law now. We're talking about how the government wants to change the law for the future. Quote: "Police are seeking powers to take DNA samples from suspects on the streets and for non-imprisonable offences such as speeding and dropping litter. The demand for a huge expansion of powers..."You really ought to start reading the background stories before commenting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #35 August 3, 2007 QuoteDNA is 100% unique and unlike fingerprints which have a certain number of features used for identification, with DNA only an exact match is used for identification. Therefore it is impossible to forge or be mistaken. Whoa. "Impossible to be mistaken" is such a huge phrase... DNA is processed and interpreted by humans, who are prone to make mistakes, and subject to bias. Samples can get mixed up, or handled incorrectly. And just because someone's DNA is at a crime scene, doesn't mean that they're the person who committed the crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #36 August 3, 2007 QuoteI'm just curious to know what people think is going to happen, the feds will take a DNA sample use it to get a computer imprint of your DNA and keep it on file. If you become a suspect in a crime and htere is DNA evidence at the scene, your name could be cleared before you ever go to court. Or, your DNA could innocently be at the crime scene, and now you are considered a prime suspect for murder... Ever seen the movie "Gattica"? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JackC 0 #37 August 3, 2007 QuoteWhat he said and to reitterate its an irrational fear of what people know nothing about that scares them Payroll record changes are estimated to have a 1% error rate, billing records have a 2-7% error rate, and the error rate for credit records may be as high as 30%. [T.C. Redman, Data Quality: Management and Technology, (New York, Bantam Books, 1992)] If a DNA database does better than any of these examples and has an error rate of less than 1%, that means a potential 600,000 people in the UK will have the wrong data in their file. In many cases, people only find out that their details are wrong when it wreaks havoc on a part of their lives. If the bank gets your credit rating wrong and you are refused a mortgage that's one thing. If the government gets your data wrong and you end up on the sex offenders register that's quite another. And you'll have the devils own job trying to correct the errors in a distributed database, if you can even find them. How many databases are you on that have faulty information in them? It really would be a good idea to sign the petition. http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/DNA-Database/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #38 August 4, 2007 QuoteThis thread is starting to sound like the plot to a crappy 007 movie. And... are comfortable are you with GPS implanting? Do you think that it is only a crappy 007 movie plot, also? If so, think again. It is already being done. Today it is everyones DNA. Tomorrow, it is get in line for a GPS implant. Oh, but then if you are doing nothing wrong, you should be comfortable on a leash. Come on little doggie, come on... sit. Now stand. Okay, now roll over and play dead. AAAAHHHH what an obedient doggie you are. Okay, now sit up and beg. Okay, now back into your kennel! WHAT!!!! you won't go back in.... Bad doggie. YOU WILL DO AS WE SAY!!!! OR, YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE!"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #39 August 4, 2007 QuoteQuoteQuoteHeck, at least this proposal would do this for people that have actually committed some kind of crime. Like changing a flight due to weather? That's a mischaracterization. It was because he wanted to board an airplane without having a ticket. That makes him a "suspect". We have to be careful with those folks... I had a boarding pass with my name on it, matching my passport; it was a paperless ticket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akarunway 1 #40 August 5, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis thread is starting to sound like the plot to a crappy 007 movie. And... are comfortable are you with GPS implanting? Do you think that it is only a crappy 007 movie plot, also? If so, think again. It is already being done. Today it is everyones DNA. Tomorrow, it is get in line for a GPS implant. Oh, but then if you are doing nothing wrong, you should be comfortable on a leash. Come on little doggie, come on... sit. Now stand. Okay, now roll over and play dead. AAAAHHHH what an obedient doggie you are. Okay, now sit up and beg. Okay, now back into your kennel! WHAT!!!! you won't go back in.... Bad doggie. YOU WILL DO AS WE SAY!!!! OR, YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE!Jessh. They aren't dogs. They're SHEEPLE. Being led to slaughter. They need people to tell them how to think because they can't think for themselves.I hold it true, whate'er befall; I feel it, when I sorrow most; 'Tis better to have loved and lost Than never to have loved at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #41 August 5, 2007 Officials in the Obama camp did admit that the reports were true, but insisted that the voting public will not base their decisions on a DNA test:"The presence of the M5W bonded pair in Mr. Obama's sample does not mean he will become a paranoid schitzophrenic. It merely means he has a slightly higher suceptibility to the disease than the rest of us." Actually the M5W marker indicates a 6.2% chance of developing the affliction during middle age. Meanwhile the Clinton camp vehemently denied leaking the DNA information,... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 August 6, 2007 QuoteQuoteThis thread is starting to sound like the plot to a crappy 007 movie. And... are comfortable are you with GPS implanting? Do you think that it is only a crappy 007 movie plot, also? If so, think again. It is already being done. Today it is everyones DNA. Tomorrow, it is get in line for a GPS implant. Oh, but then if you are doing nothing wrong, you should be comfortable on a leash. Come on little doggie, come on... sit. Now stand. Okay, now roll over and play dead. AAAAHHHH what an obedient doggie you are. Okay, now sit up and beg. Okay, now back into your kennel! WHAT!!!! you won't go back in.... Bad doggie. YOU WILL DO AS WE SAY!!!! OR, YOU WILL PAY THE PRICE! Pretty close to what they're talking about with 'chipping" kids...it's not GPS, but RFID.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #43 August 6, 2007 QuotePretty close to what they're talking about with 'chipping" kids...it's not GPS, but RFID. http://www.navigadget.com/index.php/2007/03/08/gps-chips-implanted-in-humans-w-sniper-rifle/ http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32572 http://www.gpsworld.com/gpsworld/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=360842 As you will read in the last link, the concern is size and power source as well as the recipient being able to remove the gps device. The fact that there are companies that are persuing this technology is proof that we are sliding even closer to a complete Orwelian scociety. If ever comes a day that the government demands that you be implanted (for your own good and safety, no doubt), would you be willing?"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 August 6, 2007 Fuck NO, I wouldn't be willing.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #45 August 6, 2007 QuoteFuck NO, I wouldn't be willing. I didn't believe you would be. That gps sniper rifle is actually a hoax and I only included it as what may come, giving the right technology. I would bet it all that somewhere, someone is working on this idea."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #46 August 7, 2007 QuoteSo Mr Smith we see from your DNA medical history that you have disposition to a heart desease... of course we'll consider your application for Life insurance cover. What's the diff? Are you saying that you are the ones hiding your medical problems so you can defraud insurance companies? Do you feel that having medical insurance is your "right"? Do you feel that it's wrong to disallow medical insrance to anyone?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #47 August 7, 2007 QuoteOrwell's ghost is shaking the maracas or perhaps playing the bongo drums. Sheeeet. As long as this kind of stuff has been going on, he can play every instrument in the orchestra by now. Picking off us sheep one little piece at a time. One little piece at a time. I think it's passed the point of no return. We'll all go quietly to the slaughter when it comes.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
