DNA databases

[akarunway 1]

Spawned by another thread. Opinions on this one from both sides of the pond. Is this fucked up or what?> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2183105.ece "Police are seeking powers to take DNA samples from suspects on the streets and for non-imprisonable offences such as speeding and dropping litter."

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[shropshire 0]

Really bad idea......It's the slippery slope to full population DNA database records from birth.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[mnealtx 0]

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full population DNA database records

I thought I read something a year or so ago where the UK was going to do just that?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[shropshire 0]

Hi Mike,

It's been rumoured for a couple of years now and often resurfaces... watered down, every now and then. This looks like the stealthy way of doing it.

It's not a good idea IMHO.... Treat all of your citizens as suspects....

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[JackC 0]

This is a really bad idea.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/DNA-Database/

[mnealtx 0]

Gotcha...thanks for the info! Hopefully you folks can raise enough opposition to it to get it defeated.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[freethefly 6]

It's coming here just as well
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/05/washington/05dna.html?ex=1328331600&en=e9adf85821030b8c&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[Andrewwhyte 1]

The article talks about immigration fingerprinting detainees routinely. They don't just mean people they catch in the desert or on the riverside; I was fingerprinted earlier this year by US immigration officials while still at the airport in Toronto. Anyone selected for additional screening is now required to give fingerprints (soon to be DNA samples, I guess). My crime was that my flight was cancelled due to a snow storm so I did not have a paper copy of my paperless ticket for my replacement flight.

[freethefly 6]

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The article talks about immigration fingerprinting detainees routinely. They don't just mean people they catch in the desert or on the riverside; I was fingerprinted earlier this year by US immigration officials while still at the airport in Toronto. Anyone selected for additional screening is now required to give fingerprints (soon to be DNA samples, I guess). My crime was that my flight was cancelled due to a snow storm so I did not have a paper copy of my paperless ticket for my replacement flight.

Would you agree that it is just the tip of what will eventually come? Today it's convicted felons (no problem with that) and immigrant detainees (questionable). Eventually, someone will say "Hey, it works with that! Let's expand this and just take everyones DNA." Would people be comfortable with their childs DNA being taken at birth and put into the FBI's database. Some may but, I suspect most wouldn't. I refuse to pee in a bottle, I'd be damned if I'm going to give the Feds my DNA. And on a broader scope, how long will it be when insurance companies demand DNA screening for health insurance applicants? Invasion of our bodies is a horrendous act. It is a slippery slope that leads to total control of the individual. I'd rather be dead and cold than to give complete control of myself to any government.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[mnealtx 0]

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Would you agree that it is just the tip of what will eventually come? Today it's convicted felons (no problem with that) and immigrant detainees (questionable). Eventually, someone will say "Hey, it works with that! Let's expand this and just take everyones DNA." Would people be comfortable with their childs DNA being taken at birth and put into the FBI's database. Some may but, I suspect most wouldn't. I refuse to pee in a bottle, I'd be damned if I'm going to give the Feds my DNA. And on a broader scope, how long will it be when insurance companies demand DNA screening for health insurance applicants? Invasion of our bodies is a horrendous act. It is a slippery slope that leads to total control of the individual. I'd rather be dead and cold than to give complete control of myself to any government.

I'd be willing to bet that'll be one of the first things they do if they socialize the healthcare system.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[freethefly 6]

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Would you agree that it is just the tip of what will eventually come? Today it's convicted felons (no problem with that) and immigrant detainees (questionable). Eventually, someone will say "Hey, it works with that! Let's expand this and just take everyones DNA." Would people be comfortable with their childs DNA being taken at birth and put into the FBI's database. Some may but, I suspect most wouldn't. I refuse to pee in a bottle, I'd be damned if I'm going to give the Feds my DNA. And on a broader scope, how long will it be when insurance companies demand DNA screening for health insurance applicants? Invasion of our bodies is a horrendous act. It is a slippery slope that leads to total control of the individual. I'd rather be dead and cold than to give complete control of myself to any government.

I'd be willing to bet that'll be one of the first things they do if they socialize the healthcare system.

And, another part of the slope.
Note, I'm not for total government control of healthcare but, for the people whom we elect to find a way for insurance companies and government health providers to work hand in hand to lower cost and make it available to everyone. They work for us. We pay them. They need to do their jobs.
I do think you are on to something in that if the feds gets our DNA they will use it against us.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

[ErricoMalatesta 0]

Orwell's ghost is shaking the maracas or perhaps playing the bongo drums.

[TrophyHusband 0]

i was told by someone who would know, that louisiana is supposed take a dna sample from eveyone who get arrested for anything, but because of money, they only take it from violent felons at this time.

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[shropshire 0]

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Then they could screen folks for genetic disorders and possibley negate any insurance claims made against them.... Very Bad....

Also.... you go for a job (government ones to start with, but hey they'd sell theiryour data!!) and you'd be screened and found to have the I-Dont-Like-Working-on-Mondays gene..... bang! no selection...... etc... etc....

I can only see bad things in our futures.

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[JohnRich 4]

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It's not a good idea IMHO.... Treat all of your citizens as suspects....

You mean, like registering all gun owners, even though they haven't broken any laws?

Heck, at least this proposal would do this for people that have actually committed some kind of crime.

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

[shropshire 0]

John... owning a gun or even looking at a picture of one is a crime against humanity ... get over it

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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Heck, at least this proposal would do this for people that have actually committed some kind of crime.

Like changing a flight due to weather?

[rehmwa 2]

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I'd be willing to bet that'll be one of the first things they do if they socialize the healthcare system.

If you've ever handled a penny, the g'ment already has your DNA

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[GQ_jumper 4]

I do think you are on to something in that if the feds gets our DNA they will use it against us.

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And how would it be used against us? I hear a lot of people complaining about how giving the gov. our DNA would allow them to control us or use it against us, but how?? What downside is there to the government having everyones DNA on file?

History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower

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[Scoop 0]

Police only have power to take DNA off people who have committed recordable offences. This is, yet again, media bullshit. But you guys keep lapping it up!

[shropshire 0]

Knowledge is power..

If someone can use it against someone... They will.

Do you really want the possibility of your genetic makeup getting into just anybody's hands.... Identity theft will look like a minor issue once DNA theft becomes rife....
Dont think so?

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Scoop 0]

Tony.... please. Behave.

The truth is people are frightened of what they know nothing about. Not syaing I do know about it, but I don't care if my DNA is on file

[shropshire 0]

You belong to THE man.....


If you've done nowt wrong.... etc... eh?

(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[Scoop 0]

Well partly yeah. I do believe that if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about. DNA is 100% unique and unlike fingerprints which have a certain number of features used for identification, with DNA only an exact match is used for identification. Therefore it is impossible to forge or be mistaken.

And besides after one look of a photo of us do you think anyone would want to clone us?

[SpeedRacer 1]

People's identity & DNA codes should be stored in a database, and then a barcode that can be linked to their data should be tattooed on their right hand or forehead.

With the number 666 underneath.



(let's just get the apocalypse over with, OK?)

Speed Racer
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