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Ian84 0
Quotein Europe, most parents are willing to admit that young people like to fuck.
This seems to be the major difference and to me indicates that many of the more religious parents tend to prioritise their children's moral well being at the expense (potentially) of their physical/mental health.
juanesky 0
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I have also come across religious people (particularly catholics recently) spreading outright lies and serious misinformation in order to justify a religious stance.
Actually, come to think of it, creationists do similar things.
juanesky 0
QuoteI don't want to put words in the other posters mouth but i don't think that is what he is saying at all.
I have also come across religious people (particularly catholics recently) spreading outright lies and serious misinformation in order to justify a religious stance.
Actually, come to think of it, creationists do similar things.
Quote"This seems to be the major difference and to me indicates that many of the more religious parents tend to prioritise their children's moral well being at the expense (potentially) of their physical/mental health."
You may think so, it is your right, but I also have a right to believe that he is meaning that religious people are ignorant and willing to harm their children.

Trae 1
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I think that whoever invents an effective and fun female condom is gonna make a lota money.
Quotein reply to 'What do you think? '
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I think that whoever invents an effective and fun female condom is gonna make a lota money.
Female condoms are already in use.
http://www.avert.org/femcond.htm
Rereading your comment, I take it that you are aware. I am only posting the link for further information.
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
Ian84 0
QuoteAnd you equate religion with lack of education?
No juanesky, I'm not equating religion with lack of education. Some of the most highly educated people I know are religious.
I think religious people are more likely to beleive and disseminate false information about condoms though.
Ian84 0
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You may think so, it is your right, but I also have a right to believe that he is meaning that religious people are ignorant and willing to harm their children.
Again you're wrong about my view of religious people. I just think that because of their strong belief that premarrital sex is a sin that they are less likely to inform their children about condoms. In some cases the information they do give is incorrect and would lead someone to the conclusion that they flat out don't work.
I doubt many parent are "willing to harm their children" but as a result of their belifs and the information that they give or don't give a lot of kids are exposed to a greater risk.
Hopefully this clarifies what I'm trying to say. I have many Christian friends, I have nothing against religious people. I'm just commenting on a trend that has become apparent to me regarding this particular issue.
QuoteIn some cases the information they do give is incorrect and would lead someone to the conclusion that they flat out don't work.
The general belief in religious groups is that information concerning condoms lead to sex. The general belief in religious groups is that abstinence only programs deter kids from sex.
A study was done some years back and the participants were followed up on for a number of years. It showed that the kids who were in the abstinence only program progressed on to having sex faster than those who were in the safe sex education program that discussed condom use and abstinence.
Kids need to be informed of all options. Scare tactics do not work with kids. Religious groups need to come down off of their moral high horse. Teenagers have been having sex since the first humans and will do so untill the sun engulfs the earth. It is better to arm them with what will really protect them than it is to try and scare them with some crap about damnation.
Religious rhetoric does not work and the numbers that show this to be true do not lie.
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
QuoteA study was done some years back and the participants were followed up on for a number of years. It showed that the kids who were in the abstinence only program progressed on to having sex faster than those who were in the safe sex education program that discussed condom use and abstinence.
Cite?
http://www.psych.umn.edu/courses/spring06/borgidae/psy5202/readings/jemmott%201998.pdf
http://www.catholic-forum.com/churches/luxver/donumsanctum/sex.htm
The findings of the study
The study was conducted in Philadelphia using 659 sixth- and seventh-graders at three inner city schools. The youths were divided into three groups: one received sex education concentrating on condom use, another focused on abstinence, the third was a control group who heard information regarding non-sexual diseases.
After three months, 12.5 percent of those in the abstinence group said they had sexual relations. 16.6 percent of those in the condom group said they had engaged in sex.
At six months, "slightly more of the abstinence-group students were having sex than the condom-group students," according to the article.
After one year, 20 percent of the abstinence group reported having sex, compared with 16.5 percent of the condom group.
At each checkpoint, between 20 and 23 percent of the control group said they had engaged in sex.
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
QuoteI am really sick and tired of you people who cannot research for yourselves. But, here goes.
http://www.psych.umn.edu/courses/spring06/borgidae/psy5202/readings/jemmott%201998.pdf
http://www.catholic-forum.com/churches/luxver/donumsanctum/sex.htm
The findings of the study
The study was conducted in Philadelphia using 659 sixth- and seventh-graders at three inner city schools. The youths were divided into three groups: one received sex education concentrating on condom use, another focused on abstinence, the third was a control group who heard information regarding non-sexual diseases.
After three months, 12.5 percent of those in the abstinence group said they had sexual relations. 16.6 percent of those in the condom group said they had engaged in sex....
After one year, 20 percent of the abstinence group reported having sex, compared with 16.5 percent of the condom group
Who did the total percent in the condom group decline?
QuoteWho did the total percent in the condom group decline?
Are you asking "who" or "why"?
If, "why", I would think it would be due to having more information to go into the real world with.
Kids are curious about life and sex is a big part of life. Better to arm them than to giving them little to work with.
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
There are a lot lies like this circulating about condoms, alleging that they don't work. They do work and can be highly effective, if used properly.
HIV infection rates in most european countries that promote condom use are quite low. Of course in Europe, most parents are willing to admit that young people like to fuck. In some countries, notably Denmark, it is acceptable to have a boyfriend or girlfriend stay overnight, though generally not on school nights (wise choice IMHO).
About ten years ago, Dr. Alexa Albert, a young MD who works in public health and STD issues conducted a study on condom usage within the controlled environment of The Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada. She found that the rate of STD transmission among the ladies (verified with weekly examinations and blood tests, and a monthly HIV test, all as required by law for the licensed establishments) was extremely low - lower not only than among illegal street hookers & escorts, but lower than control groups of sexually active young women in general.
She also found that the incidence of condom breakage was extremely low among the working ladies who understood how to use them correctly. There were a number of breakages that occurred repeatedly with the same two ladies and their breakage rates also vanished after a little bit of training from the other ladies of the house.
Condoms won't prevent HPV though. HPV can be spred from skin to skin contact, such as the grinding of groins (I like the sound of that...) that occurs during intercourse, the virus simply goes around the condom. But there's already one new vaccine for HPV and there will soon be a second competing vaccine in another year or two.
So the religious right had better get cracking with some fresh new lies about the HPV vaccines, God forbid they would ever want to protect their children from the divine punishment of cervical cancer.
Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !
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